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When you examine the basic stats for the players there are three who stand out as abysmal defensively using +/-: Debrincat, Batherson and Pinto with honourable mentions to Chabot, Tkachuk & Parker. Some hard-to-play-for coaches would help address this.

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bert said:
Point has a tremendous motor and plays with alot of pace and takes the puck to the net. None of Giroux, Batherson or Debrincat do that like he does. Whether its because they dont have the skillset or the will they dont.

Barbashev is a better fit with the sens roster make up than DBC and makes them a way harder team. To say it barely moves the needle when he has had 3 massive hits and has his linemates playing the best hockey of their life right now because he is hitting everyone that moves is being blissfully ignorant to try and back up your original argument. Its not just Barbashev starts with him and they get more guys like that. They need players that play in the top 6 to play like this not just on the 3rd and 4th line.

Seems to me you are ignoring my points about having physical players make room for skill guys. If you dont think thats true thats fine we differ in opinion but in the playoffs the teams that are getting inside the dots are the ones that are scoring.

Alot of assumptions about the coaching staff that anyone knows you or I. I think they need a new voice at this point and do think that at times Batherson needed to sit. I dont think the idea that someone has that type of exposure to the sport and experience DJ has isnt telling him to play harder. To think any of us that post here know more about the game or do better is pretty self righteous. What's funny is some posters on here actually dont like when Tkachuk always finishes his check on the D man on the point and say 'he is out of position'. Stone literally did that last game and it resulted in a goal.
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So Jack Eichel and John Marchessault are playing well because of Barbashev. Wow. Not because of Jack Eichel or the fact the whole team is gelling and playing great two way hockey. Which is more likely because of their captain busting his ass all over the ice.

It's possible that Barbashev would improve our tema but you don't know that. I think you're overrating one guy having a great postseason on a team that is on a roll. But hey, maybe Barbashev IS an all-time great playoff performer and his first 6 seaons where he was a bit player are the anomalies. Sometimes guys figure it out.
 
Alf Silfversson said:
So Jack Eichel and John Marchessault are playing well because of Barbashev. Wow. Not because of Jack Eichel or the fact the whole team is gelling and playing great two way hockey. Which is more likely because of their captain busting his ass all over the ice.

It's possible that Barbashev would improve our tema but you don't know that. I think you're overrating one guy having a great postseason on a team that is on a roll. But hey, maybe Barbashev IS an all-time great playoff performer and his first 6 seaons where he was a bit player are the anomalies. Sometimes guys figure it out.
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I am saying they all compliment one another. You need each players skillset to maximize one another. I have had this discussion in a few different posts. The line is a perfect fit, each player has a role. Barbashev makes room, terrific for puck retrieval and net drive. Eichel carries and distributes, Marchessault finishes. The sens outside of Tkachuk dont have a skilled player that is physical. They do have three very similar offensive players in Giroux, Batherson and Debrincat. Debrincat and Batherson clearly didnt work, there was no on on that line that had a motor.

Barbashev plays this way all the time. This is his first time playing on a first line and he is producing. If you dont think he plays this hard then I dont know what to tell you but he has the skill to make plays too. He had 60 points last year on St Louis.

There is absolutely no doubt he would help improve not only the sens but any team. He is a unique player and has a rare combination of skill and an elite physical package. He kills, he plays pp he plays center and wing and isnt scared to go to the net. If you dont agree thats fine by me.
Maybe listen to Marchessaults post game interview he seems to share the same thoughts.

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bert said:
I am saying they all compliment one another. You need each players skillset to maximize one another. I have had this discussion in a few different posts. The line is a perfect fit, each player has a role. Barbashev makes room, terrific for puck retrieval and net drive. Eichel carries and distributes, Marchessault finishes. The sens outside of Tkachuk dont have a skilled player that is physical. They do have three very similar offensive players in Giroux, Batherson and Debrincat. Debrincat and Batherson clearly didnt work, there was no on on that line that had a motor.

Barbashev plays this way all the time. This is his first time playing on a first line and he is producing. If you dont think he plays this hard then I dont know what to tell you but he has the skill to make plays too. He had 60 points last year on St Louis.

There is absolutely no doubt he would help improve not only the sens but any team. He is a unique player and has a rare combination of skill and an elite physical package. He kills, he plays pp he plays center and wing and isnt scared to go to the net. If you dont agree thats fine by me.
Maybe listen to Marchessaults post game interview he seems to share the same thoughts.
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I like him as well, this year had 45 points.
 
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bert said:
Great 5 on 5 player which is where this team struggled the most.

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Ya I’d also like to try pairs and plug in a third line guy on each line to get 3 lines.
Barbashev would be a good candidate on any of the 3 lines.
 
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I bought a Silfverberg jersey and a month later he was traded for Bobby.
I bid and won a Filatov jersey, 3 days later he bailed to Russia and never came back.
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Qward said:
I bought a Silfverberg jersey and a month later he was traded for Bobby.
I bid and won a Filatov jersey, 3 days later he bailed to Russia and never came back.
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Lol that is impressive. Okay, I lose.

Next best I can come up with is just owning a Joe Corvo jersey, period. The legendary #7. I like to think I'm one of the only ones.
 
bert said:
I am saying they all compliment one another. You need each players skillset to maximize one another. I have had this discussion in a few different posts. The line is a perfect fit, each player has a role. Barbashev makes room, terrific for puck retrieval and net drive. Eichel carries and distributes, Marchessault finishes. The sens outside of Tkachuk dont have a skilled player that is physical. They do have three very similar offensive players in Giroux, Batherson and Debrincat. Debrincat and Batherson clearly didnt work, there was no on on that line that had a motor.

Barbashev plays this way all the time. This is his first time playing on a first line and he is producing. If you dont think he plays this hard then I dont know what to tell you but he has the skill to make plays too. He had 60 points last year on St Louis.

There is absolutely no doubt he would help improve not only the sens but any team. He is a unique player and has a rare combination of skill and an elite physical package. He kills, he plays pp he plays center and wing and isnt scared to go to the net. If you dont agree thats fine by me.
Maybe listen to Marchessaults post game interview he seems to share the same thoughts.

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How trade pickup Ivan Barbashev has lifted Vegas' top line to new heights

A big addition to their top line, Vegas made the best acquisition at the trade deadline by bringing in Ivan Barbashev. Adam Vingan looks at how the power forward has lifted an already dangerous top line.
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Absolutely they compliment each other but you made it sound like Barbashev was lifting up the other two, which is crazy.

I don't agree that Batherson and DBC are similar players. 2021 Batherson was more of a heavy board player who also went to the net and onviously has great hands. This year he was a lazy floater. Neither description is DBC. I do agree they shouldn't have been on the same line though. That was dumb and I've said so a few times.

I never said Barbashev doesn't play hard. I don't know where you came up with that. What I said is this is the first time he's been effective as more than a 3rd liner in the playoffs. He's been an average bottom six player in the playoffs until this year. I also never said I wouldn't want him on my team. I don't think he's as good a player as Debrincat. For 95% of their careers I don't think there could be any real debate about that. I also said I think he'll get overpaid and I don't want us to be the team that does it. I'd gladly take him on my team, just not at the $6M+ he's going to get. I don't think he's some kind of cure-all. He's a slightly above average 2nd liner having a great run with an elite centre and a guy who's on fire.

I'm not convinced that we'd be any better with a 1 for 1 swap of these two players. That's all.
 
bert said:
Great 5 on 5 player which is where this team struggled the most.
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Alex Debrincat has had 4 seasons with 20 or more EV goals. One season under DJ he went from 27 to 16. Barbashev's best season at EV would be Debrincat's 5th best in terms of goals. I know he does other things well, but we didn't struggle 5-on-5 because of Alex Debrincat. The whole team struggled 5 on 5.

I wonder why that could be? And could that mysterious reason possibly affect incoming players, even Ivan 'The Great' Barbashev?
 
Alf Silfversson said:
Absolutely they compliment each other but you made it sound like Barbashev was lifting up the other two, which is crazy.

I don't agree that Batherson and DBC are similar players. 2021 Batherson was more of a heavy board player who also went to the net and onviously has great hands. This year he was a lazy floater. Neither description is DBC. I do agree they shouldn't have been on the same line though. That was dumb and I've said so a few times.

I never said Barbashev doesn't play hard. I don't know where you came up with that. What I said is this is the first time he's been effective as more than a 3rd liner in the playoffs. He's been an average bottom six player in the playoffs until this year. I also never said I wouldn't want him on my team. I don't think he's as good a player as Debrincat. For 95% of their careers I don't think there could be any real debate about that. I also said I think he'll get overpaid and I don't want us to be the team that does it. I'd gladly take him on my team, just not at the $6M+ he's going to get. I don't think he's some kind of cure-all. He's a slightly above average 2nd liner having a great run with an elite centre and a guy who's on fire.

I'm not convinced that we'd be any better with a 1 for 1 swap of these two players. That's all.
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We should be able to get 2 players that can help for what DCat would need to stay here , if he could be convinced. I would take Barbashev and C. Brown in as an example I don't know what these guys will end up getting paid but there are others available as well.
Sens will need someone to play 2L and someone to play 3L . I am not banking on Greig or Jospeph as 3L options for next year. Greig could get insulated by someone like C. Brown over Joseph.

Drop Jospeph to the 4th line. if he costs too much to play 4th L ... drop him at the nearest dumpster.
 
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Alf Silfversson said:
Absolutely they compliment each other but you made it sound like Barbashev was lifting up the other two, which is crazy.

I don't agree that Batherson and DBC are similar players. 2021 Batherson was more of a heavy board player who also went to the net and onviously has great hands. This year he was a lazy floater. Neither description is DBC. I do agree they shouldn't have been on the same line though. That was dumb and I've said so a few times.

I never said Barbashev doesn't play hard. I don't know where you came up with that. What I said is this is the first time he's been effective as more than a 3rd liner in the playoffs. He's been an average bottom six player in the playoffs until this year. I also never said I wouldn't want him on my team. I don't think he's as good a player as Debrincat. For 95% of their careers I don't think there could be any real debate about that. I also said I think he'll get overpaid and I don't want us to be the team that does it. I'd gladly take him on my team, just not at the $6M+ he's going to get. I don't think he's some kind of cure-all. He's a slightly above average 2nd liner having a great run with an elite centre and a guy who's on fire.

I'm not convinced that we'd be any better with a 1 for 1 swap of these two players. That's all.
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How many right handed forward shots are you going to pay that cant drive a line? That dont have an elite motor and arent strong defensive players. Batherson and Debrincat are very similar as offensive players. Barbashev has never had an opportunity to play in the top 6 on a playoff team... Now he is thriving. I dont think he is as good a player in a vacuum as Debrincat either but on the sens he fills a need and Debrincat is a luxury. They dont even need Debrincat for the first PP. I do think the sens are a better team with Barbashev than Debrincat but that is more situational.

At a 3 million dollar difference in price tag plus the assets the sens get for Debrincat I take Barbashev all day with the sens roster construction. You dont agree thats fine.

I think he is much better than an above average second line player. Players that can produce 5 on 5 play all three forward positions play in any situation and are one of the most physical in the league are not average players. You can go get a 50 to 60 point one dimensional winger anywhere you dont find players that are that versatile or every team would have them. The sens were one of the easiest teams in the league to play against last year. He is one of the hardest players in the league, it improves a massive weakness. It doesnt stop with him they need to go get another guy for the third line too.

Alf Silfversson said:
Alex Debrincat has had 4 seasons with 20 or more EV goals. One season under DJ he went from 27 to 16. Barbashev's best season at EV would be Debrincat's 5th best in terms of goals. I know he does other things well, but we didn't struggle 5-on-5 because of Alex Debrincat. The whole team struggled 5 on 5.

I wonder why that could be? And could that mysterious reason possibly affect incoming players, even Ivan 'The Great' Barbashev?
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Its because the roster is soft as f***. The second line was sad to watch, never first on pucks, lost puck battles all over the place. No one was making room for anyone. Three super similar players on a line doesnt work if none of them are going to win battles and races consistently. I didnt miss a game this year and its even more obvious when you attended the games in person which was over 20 games for me.
 
So now that it’s out there from his agent that he’s not going to be discussing a contract with the Sens, what do we think the package looks like?

Going to say a pick, 2nd line tweener and B prospect
 
BondraTime said:
So now that it’s out there from his agent that he’s not going to be discussing a contract with the Sens, what do we think the package looks like?

Going to say a pick, 2nd line tweener and B prospect
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It’s got to be good. Not sure what that will include but if we’re not impressed then Dorion needs to go asap.
I’d be ok giving Dorion more time if he can flip this into a positive.
 
Weird... I thought the locker room vibes were so amazing that Debrincat would be in a hurry to sign. Everyone wants to play with Brady... right..? Would it have been that difficult to call up Jeff Jackson before making the trade and asking if his client hated Canada?

It's too bad Dorion is going to be the one making this trade.
 
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Yeah.

He’s submitted a list of preferred destinations to Dorion. So, we’re probably over a barrel again.
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At least we have the most experienced gm working from a corner. He should be pretty good at wiggling out by now. Maybe he does it intentionally. Maybe he’s a weirdo masochist.
 
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