Player Discussion Alex DeBrincat

[Silencio]

DBC wanted to wait until new owners were known... why would he care which billionaire buys the team?

The prospect of a signing bonus (which Ottawa/Melnyk were historically reluctant to give out) is the only reason I can think of.

 

[5ive4Fighting]

Lame Duck GM forced to trade player looking at a 9M QO after giving up a 2022 7OA , 2022 39OA and a 2024 3rd 1 year ago what could go wrong.

How will PD try to spin this to make it not his fault he is in this situation? .. DBC wanted to wait until new owners were known... why would he care which billionaire buys the team?

It's his fault, and a bit of a mess for sure, but it was the kind of "bet on yourself" deal that should have worked. This should be an attractive place for DeBrincat to play at this point. That it does not appear to be is likely out of our control.

 

[BondraTime]

It's his fault, and a bit of a mess for sure, but it was the kind of "bet on yourself" deal that should have worked. This should be an attractive place for DeBrincat to play at this point. That it does not appear to be is likely out of our control.

Could have done what LA did with Fiala a week prior, discuss a contract prior to the trade to make sure he is a long term acquisition.

If he doesn't want to sign a long term deal, move on. LA surely wouldn't have traded for Fiala without a contract.

Trading away a 7th overall + on a bet and hope is foolish.

It was a GM who needed to win to keep his job moving forward (Dorion has a horseshoe up his ass, no owner to replace him in time for the season to start) and wasn't worried about 2 years down the road. He wanted results immediately, to survive. Now it's on to the next one.

I never would have believed that the trade for DBC was made without assurances of a contract, as that is the bare minimum in a trade of that magnitude in the offseason, but here we are.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Could have done what LA did with Fiala a week prior, discuss a contract prior to the trade to make sure he is a long term acquisition.

If he doesn't want to sign a long term deal, move on. LA surely wouldn't have traded for Fiala without a contract.

Trading away a 7th overall + on a bet and hope is foolish.

It was a GM who needed to win to keep his job moving forward (Dorion has a horseshoe up his ass, no owner to replace him in time for the season to start) and wasn't worried about 2 years down the road. He wanted results immediately, to survive. Now it's on to the next one.

I never would have believed that the trade for DBC was made without assurances of a contract, as that is the bare minimum in a trade of that magnitude in the offseason, but here we are.

Lol, you’re really leaning into things this year!

Lots of trades are made without long term assurances, especially ones with deadlines looming.

It’s a gamble that would look good if he signs or the returns are good, and bad if he doesn’t and the returns are bad. The fear of PD losing his job, or rushing a deal for any other reason than to be opportunistic in making the team better, is just his detractors fantasizing again in my opinion.

We don’t know if PD talked to Fiala’s agent, and we don’t know if was able to talk to DBC’s agent. Either was he was clearly willing to take the gamble.

I love how these days a GM making a good trade is somehow twisted into some incredulous behaviour now that said player may not sign long term a season later, as though that’s how it’s always done.

 

[bicboi64]

Could have done what LA did with Fiala a week prior, discuss a contract prior to the trade to make sure he is a long term acquisition.

If he doesn't want to sign a long term deal, move on. LA surely wouldn't have traded for Fiala without a contract.

Trading away a 7th overall + on a bet and hope is foolish.

It was a GM who needed to win to keep his job moving forward (Dorion has a horseshoe up his ass, no owner to replace him in time for the season to start) and wasn't worried about 2 years down the road. He wanted results immediately, to survive. Now it's on to the next one.

I never would have believed that the trade for DBC was made without assurances of a contract, as that is the bare minimum in a trade of that magnitude in the offseason, but here we are.

Pretty much my concerns as well. If you're a rebuilding team with a top 10 pick, if you trade it for a player that isn't signed long term, an extension better be announced asap.

The move on its own wasn't bad in terms of how much value we gave up, but not having an extension in place is what makes it disastrous. Getting Cat in the first place was a luxury move that we didn't need since our D was so crap. But having an extension in place would've made it a better deal since there's an assurance that Cat will grow with our core.

 

[BondraTime]

Pretty much my concerns as well. If you're a rebuilding team with a top 10 pick, if you trade it for a player that isn't signed long term, an extension better be announced asap.

The move on its own wasn't bad in terms of how much value we gave up, but not having an extension in place is what makes it disastrous. Getting Cat in the first place was a luxury move that we didn't need since our D was so crap. But having an extension in place would've made it a better deal since there's an assurance that Cat will grow with our core.

That trade with an extension and we are golden. I wouldn’t have hitched my wagon to DBC at all, said that before he was a Sen, but the trade absolutely makes sense with term.

That trade for a year of DBC is ridiculously short sighted.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

That trade with an extension and we are golden. I wouldn’t have hitched my wagon to DBC at all, said that before he was a Sen, but the trade absolutely makes sense with term.

That trade for a year of DBC is ridiculously short sighted.

well the trade for DBC is not going to be for a year.

PD is going to submit a QO, and DBC will sign it…. So at a minimum, he plays another year….. but not likely, as he will be traded at some point, rather than being allowed to walk for nothing.

So the trade will be for a year, and whatever the return is, when a trade is made, if he does not resign.

Also, if Norris and Talbot had not been injured, DBC would have been part of the reason for Ottawa making the playoffs ….. so not “short sighted“, a gamble with pretty good odds.


Of course PD did not have access to a crystal ball, like so many Monday morning hindsight 20/20 Quarterbacks apparently have.

 

[SPF6ty9]

well the trade for DBC is not going to be for a year.

PD is going to submit a QO, and DBC will sign it…. So at a minimum, he plays another year….. but not likely, as he will be traded at some point, rather than being allowed to walk for nothing.

So the trade will be for a year, and whatever the return is, when a trade is made, if he does not resign.

Also, if Norris and Talbot had not been injured, DBC would have been part of the reason for Ottawa making the playoffs ….. so not “short sighted“, a gamble with pretty good odds.


Of course PD did not have access to a crystal ball, like so many Monday morning hindsight 20/20 Quarterbacks apparently have.

A stupid gamble if you don't do your diligence and don't make use of all the possible info at your disposal. Unlike for example when Vegas traded similar value for Stone and signed him immediately after the trade. If that information is for whatever reason not available, then use that to negotiate down the price. We know Chicago wasn't doing that trade unless they got a 1st coming back, I think Bondra nailed it that Dorion was feeling the pressure on both his job and from the roster to make a move.

Dorion has failed in this regard before, like when he traded a 2nd for Stepan who didn't even want to be here. The sooner this guy is away from a decision making role on this team, the better.

 

[BondraTime]

well the trade for DBC is not going to be for a year.

PD is going to submit a QO, and DBC will sign it…. So at a minimum, he plays another year….. but not likely, as he will be traded at some point, rather than being allowed to walk for nothing.

So the trade will be for a year, and whatever the return is, when a trade is made, if he does not resign.

Also, if Norris and Talbot had not been injured, DBC would have been part of the reason for Ottawa making the playoffs ….. so not “short sighted“, a gamble with pretty good odds.


Of course PD did not have access to a crystal ball, like so many Monday morning hindsight 20/20 Quarterbacks apparently have.

“At minimum he plays another year, but not likely as he’ll be traded at some point”….

So, a 1 year play for the playoffs, with a possible cup of coffee in 23-24, without knowledge on retaining him.

That’s the definition of short sighted. The Sens window wasn’t 2022-23, and they weren’t in a position to trade premium assets for a hope he wants to stay.

Unless making the playoffs in 2022-23 was the end goal, trading a premium asset for a player who is going to play a year is as short sighted as you can get. I’d hope the goal was to have a piece for the next 5 year window, but hey, we almost made it!

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

A stupid gamble if you don't do your diligence and don't make use of all the possible info at your disposal. Unlike for example when Vegas traded similar value for Stone and signed him immediately after the trade. If that information is for whatever reason not available, then use that to negotiate down the price. We know Chicago wasn't doing that trade unless they got a 1st coming back, I think Bondra nailed it that Dorion was feeling the pressure on both his job and from the roster to make a move.

Dorion has failed in this regard before, like when he traded a 2nd for Stepan who didn't even want to be here. The sooner this guy is away from a decision making role on this team, the better.

Its more like gambling that he could resign Stone and/or Duchene.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

It's his fault, and a bit of a mess for sure, but it was the kind of "bet on yourself" deal that should have worked. This should be an attractive place for DeBrincat to play at this point. That it does not appear to be is likely out of our control.

Pierre said he didn't even talk to Debrincat about extending. If you really liked the player that much to move the 7th overall, the 39th pick and a 3rd, it seems very unusual to not talk to the player about an extension. That's something you'd really hope your GM would do, and it doesn't take a crystal ball to come up with this. I'm still trying to wrap my head around that one.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Which NHL teams might be interested in a trade for Alex DeBrincat?

Alex DeBrincat is one of the NHL's top snipers and should have plenty of suitors this offseason as the Senators reportedly shop him around.

ca.sports.yahoo.com

 

[GCK]

Why are people so convinced that he doesn't want to sign here because he doesn't like the city??? Total nonsense.

My impression is that he doesn't want to sign long term after having such a down year because he'd be leaving alot of potential career earnings on the table, especially with the cap potentially going up $4m when he goes UFA. The Sens, on the other hand, absolutely want to sign him long term right for the exact same reason, probably in the range of 7.5-8m (8yr). Plus, the fact that both parties know that's probably the limit the Sens can afford anyways in their cap structure.

The whole "I need to talk to my family" schtick was simply because he needs to decide between the following two options:

1. If it's worth leaving money on the table in favor of a long term contract so he can settle in Ottawa and plant his roots, especially with a newborn child.

2. Or if he wants to take the 1yr deal with the uncertainly of pricing himself out of our cap structure if he plays much better next year, or even risk getting traded this offseason.

There's been no indication that he doesn't like it in Ottawa. None whatsoever.

Not sure what you’re going on about. Where did I say he didn’t like the city ?

 

[Alf Silfversson]

You have seen Barbashev do nothing? You must be blind. He isnt a third liner he had 60 points last year. If he isnt scoring he is still contributing and is blatantly obvious when he is playing a game. You are clearly only stat watching. But then cherry picking which stats you want to use. Id hitch my wagon to him any time. This board has no clue what a winning team looks like.


You have seen Barbashev do nothing? You must be blind. He isnt a third liner he had 60 points last year. If he isnt scoring he is still contributing and is blatantly obvious when he is playing a game. You are clearly only stat watching. But then cherry picking which stats you want to use. Id hitch my wagon to him any time. This board has no clue what a winning team looks like.

I said Barbashev did nothing before this year. Is this the first playoff season you've ever watched? He was terrible just last year. Statistically and otherwise.

Now he's the flavourful of the month and the key to winning. What a joke.

 

[DrEasy]

“At minimum he plays another year, but not likely as he’ll be traded at some point”….

So, a 1 year play for the playoffs, with a possible cup of coffee in 23-24, without knowledge on retaining him.

That’s the definition of short sighted. The Sens window wasn’t 2022-23, and they weren’t in a position to trade premium assets for a hope he wants to stay.

Unless making the playoffs in 2022-23 was the end goal, trading a premium asset for a player who is going to play a year is as short sighted as you can get. I’d hope the goal was to have a piece for the next 5 year window, but hey, we almost made it!

100%.

I truly believe he went all in with the DBC trade and the Giroux signing with the aim of making the playoffs in 22-23. Remember, Zub also only had one year left on his contract at the time.

If the Sens had made the playoffs in 22-23, the DBC trade would have been a lot easier to stomach (better job security for Dorion too!), and people would have been even ok with keeping him for his last year for one more kick at the can.

 

[PlayersLtd]

Dorion was trying to assuage 5 years of suffering the moment the shackles were off and was trying to sell some desperately needed hope after hitting Cleveland Browns level rock bottom.

Are people around here saying they would have been ok with it if he was complacent last summer? You would have complained about that too.

There's a lot of judgement around here that is unfortunately clouded by damned if you do damned if you don't standards.

 

[JungleBeat]

Just finding out about this $9M qualifying offer that Debrincat is due for. Surely Dorion knew about this at the time of the trade and planned correctly, I wonder what his plan was with that big of a raise coming in for Debrincat.

 

[DJB]

Just finding out about this $9M qualifying offer that Debrincat is due for. Surely Dorion knew about this at the time of the trade and planned correctly, I wonder what his plan was with that big of a raise coming in for Debrincat.

He would have obviously known about it. My assumption is that he made the deal and hoped to sign him long term.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

“At minimum he plays another year, but not likely as he’ll be traded at some point”….

So, a 1 year play for the playoffs, with a possible cup of coffee in 23-24, without knowledge on retaining him.

That’s the definition of short sighted. The Sens window wasn’t 2022-23, and they weren’t in a position to trade premium assets for a hope he wants to stay.

Unless making the playoffs in 2022-23 was the end goal, trading a premium asset for a player who is going to play a year is as short sighted as you can get. I’d hope the goal was to have a piece for the next 5 year window, but hey, we almost made it!

as I said in my post you quoted, PD is going to give him a QO, but will NOT let hI’m walk for nothing…..aka trade him at some point before the trade deadline.

You seemed to have implied the trade was for one season, it’s not, and never was for just one year of DBC…. There is this coming season, until he is either signed long term, or traded.

the trade was made many months before the sale of the franchise was announced, so DBC has the leverage to hold off on signing now, and just take the QO… 9 million for next season, and then he can wait and see how everything shakes down with the sale, and whomever is the GM once the sale is completed and the team has the new owner’s mission statement and directives as to how the franchise is to proceed…. Then he can get his agent to explore an extension if that is what he wants.

And if a future in Ottawa is not in the cards, then the DBC trade will be for last season, and part of next season and what ever assets are acquired in a trade….. so NOT just one season as I stated.

 

[Schmautz11]

When the trade was made, they could talk extension all they want but he couldn't sign until July 1 of this year as you can only sign on the dotted line with less than one year left on the contract. Both agent and PD are doing what they have to do as part of the negotiation process. Should be an interesting few weeks ahead.

 

[BondraTime]

When the trade was made, they could talk extension all they want but he couldn't sign until July 1 of this year as you can only sign on the dotted line with less than one year left on the contract. Both agent and PD are doing what they have to do as part of the negotiation process. Should be an interesting few weeks ahead.

There was less than 1 year left on the contract the moment he was acquired, an extension could have been signed the day he was traded.

 

[Schmautz11]

There was 1 year left on the contract the moment he was acquired.

My bad You are correct. Back to sleep I go

 

[BondraTime]

as I said in my post you quoted, PD is going to give him a QO, but will NOT let hI’m walk for nothing…..aka trade him at some point before the trade deadline.

You seemed to have implied the trade was for one season, it’s not, and never was for just one year of DBC…. There is this coming season, until he is either signed long term, or traded.

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the trade was made many months before the sale of the franchise was announced, so DBC has the leverage to hold off on signing now, and just take the QO… 9 million for next season, and then he can wait and see how everything shakes down with the sale, and whomever is the GM once the sale is completed and the team has the new owner’s mission statement and directives as to how the franchise is to proceed…. Then he can get his agent to explore an extension if that is what he wants.

And if a future in Ottawa is not in the cards, then the DBC trade will be for last season, and part of next season and what ever assets are acquired in a trade….. so NOT just one season as I stated.

So, if DBC is traded, how many seasons was he here?

We’re going to pretend it was a big brain play to dress DBC for a year and then reap the rewards of his trade?

 

[JD1]

DBC might only be here for a year. That's possible. There was a price to acquire him and if he's moved there'll be assets recouped from moving him.

And the DDS folks will look at assets out versus assets in and still be bitching about it 6 years from now if the assets in are notably less than assets out.

Hockey, above all else, is a business. The team generated huge excitement last summer. Did that excitement translate to the box office? In both walk up and STH packages? Absolutely. And is the excitement carrying over to this coming season meaning is it impacting STH sales? Yes it appears so. And was DBC part of the excitement? Definitely

The team is for sale. Looks like its going to generate a record price for an NHL franchise. So who here believes that the on ice rejuvenation last year created excitement around the franchise that's elevated the team profile and has added to the sale price?

We might lose on DBC in terms of on ice assets. It will be unfortunate if that's the outcome. But the franchise has had a remarkable turnaround in the last 12 months and DBC was certainly part of the reason for that

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Dorion was trying to assuage 5 years of suffering the moment the shackles were off and was trying to sell some desperately needed hope after hitting Cleveland Browns level rock bottom.

Are people around here saying they would have been ok with it if he was complacent last summer? You would have complained about that too.

There's a lot of judgement around here that is unfortunately clouded by damned if you do damned if you don't standards.

I think it was less about hope, and more like a kid in a candy store with daddy's wallet. Dorion was looking to make a big splash and grab a big name...although I think his first target was likely Chychrun. That wasn't available for that price so he pivoted to Cat.