Player Discussion Alex DeBrincat

[DaveMatthew]

I could see it too. I freakin' hope not but I could see it.

I think Detroit is a reasonable landing spot for DBC.

Any chance they'd go for:

To Detroit:
DBC
2024 2nd
Tyler Boucher

To Ottawa:
Lucas Raymond
Ben Chiarot (camp dump)

?

I mean... they look at Lucas Raymond the same way we look at Jake Sanderson so 1000% not.

 

[bicboi64]

That would be a disastrous return. Is Granlund even a positive asset, setting aside what Hextall paid for him before getting fired?

I would bring back DBC on a one-year deal and risk losing him for nothing before taking on Granlund at $5M for two more years.

Losing Cat for nothing is a lot worse than having a 2nd line forward and a mid round 1st.

 

[TonySoprano11]

Honestly, the best thing to do is take him to arbitration and pay what they decide for 1 year. Right now the team is dealing from a position of weakness. Putting the pressure on DBC to perform for his next contract gives us some time to improve our position.

1) DBC returns to form and the team still is missing the playoffs - we trade him at the deadline for a bigger return than we would get right now. - Win

2) DBC returns to form, we make the playoffs. Maybe he likes winning, maybe he warms up to his teammates more, the new owners, the city. He decides he wants to stay. We try to re sign him in good faith with both parties trying to make it work. Potential is we still lose him for nothing, but I think we would have a stronger chance to sign him long term than we do now.

3) DBC performs at the same level or worse than this year. He's got two seasons in a row now where is stock has dropped. He either takes a lower salary than his current QO and we sign him before the deadline, or we trade him at the deadline. We won't get any less than we would get today.

 

[Union2017]

Build a package for a good goalie. We REALLY need a better goalie

 

[BondraTime]

Losing Cat for nothing is a lot worse than having a 2nd line forward and a mid round 1st.

Granlund is likely a healthy scratch moving forward

 

[Senator Stanley]

I mean... they look at Lucas Raymond the same way we look at Jake Sanderson so 1000% not.

Do they? Honestly asking. I've spent some time reading their forum and I found the talk a little more lukewarm. Not that that's always an accurate picture.

I agree that Raymond is almost certainly a pipe dream, if for no other reason than he's extremely cheap for one more season and DeBrincat is going to be extremely expensive. But the pipe dream version of this is that Yzerman is starting to see a ceiling on Raymond that is below DeBrincat's, early extension talks suggest there's going to be a big gap between Raymond and the Wings, and Yzerman would rather take the "sure thing" thing with local boy DeBrincat on an 8 year deal signed in a tight-cap market.

Losing Cat for nothing is a lot worse than having a 2nd line forward and a mid round 1st.

Your original post said "mid round pick", so I didn't realize you meant a 1st. I still wouldn't do it.

 

[GCK]

DeBrincat has the 14th most goals in the league over the last 6 seasons. Is that really a 2nd line, 2nd PP player? That's coming off a down year

We were 2nd in the league in hits last year. Are we really easy to play against?

Maybe the reluctance to sign is related to the possibility he's dropped from the PP 1.

Maybe the reluctance to sign is related to fitting into the team salary structure? Maybe he's thinking if I get 40 next year and the caps going up, I'll get a 9.5 AAV deal.

On this team he certainly is a complementary 2nd line, 2nd PP guy. Can’t afford to overpay the slot.

 

[bicboi64]

Granlund is likely a healthy scratch moving forward

He had 41 points last season in 79 games. He's scored at a 52 point ppg his whole clear.

We aren't going to be a contender with Granlund on our roster, but I wouldn't say he's a healthy scratch. He'd be a stop gap that's probably overpaid by about $500k for a team that is dealing in a position of weakness while we try to develop an internal replacement.

 

[BondraTime]

He had 41 points last season in 79 games. He's scored at a 52 point ppg his whole clear.

We aren't going to be a contender with Granlund on our roster, but I wouldn't say he's a healthy scratch. He'd be a stop gap that's probably overpaid by about $500k for a team that is dealing in a position of weakness while we try to develop an internal replacement.

The Pens would likely give us Granlund and a 3rd for a 7th, getting out of his contract would be huge for them.

That's the Pens Stepan trade.

 

[bicboi64]

The Pens would likely give us Granlund and a 3rd for a 7th

That'd be awesome then trade Cat for (hopefully) a better package. Get a serviceable forward, get some assets to keep the pipeline flowing, etc... Seems like a good option out of a difficult situation

 

[GCK]

The challenge with dealing Debrincat is he's probably not all that attractive considering the other options that may be available.

If you're a team like Carolina or Colorado, I bet you're way more interested in Dubois. And if you're a big market like LA, you'd probably rather wait and see what happens with Matthews and/or Nylander.

Reading through other team forums, no other fanbase has all that much interest.

I think potential destinations will be slim. Washington seems like the best bet if we take back Mantha.

There isn’t much available as far as scoring wingers go, I think the return will be fine.

 

[BondraTime]

That'd be awesome then trade Cat for (hopefully) a better package.

It would be an awful allocation of 5 million dollars for another 2 seasons. Granlund will be out of the league by the time his contract is up, he has slowed down, immensely.

Just Like Stepan, he's hit a wall around 30. Stepan was a great 2nd liner, until he wasn't.

 

[Hale The Villain]

That would be a disastrous return. Is Granlund even a positive asset, setting aside what Hextall paid for him before getting fired?

I would bring back DBC on a one-year deal and risk losing him for nothing before taking on Granlund at $5M for two more years.

No he's got to be considered a negative asset at this point.

I would want additional compensation for taking him on.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Teams in the east should be overpaying too, especially fringe teams that will challenge us for the final wild card.

 

[GCK]

I’d be surprised if there was 3 teams seriously looking at DBC this year.

Next year as a UFA, he’ll have a handful of teams looking at signing him.

Trading for him with a year until UFA and a very high contract, there’s not going to be a market.

If there isn’t an extension agreed upon, which I’m not sure why DBC would agree to after a career worst year, the options are going to be very limited, and the return very disappointing.

Still going to guess we get a Martinhook + Drury + Pick type return

I’m not sure he wouldn’t sign a 64M extension in a city that’s acceptable to him. That’s a lot of money to pass on. I think there are a few teams that would be interested, it just depends if he wants those cities.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

It would be an awful allocation of 5 million dollars for another 2 seasons. Granlund will be out of the league by the time his contract is up, he has slowed down, immensely.

Just Like Stepan, he's hit a wall around 30. Stepan was a great 2nd liner, until he wasn't.

 

[swiftwin]

I’m not sure he wouldn’t sign a 64M extension in a city that’s acceptable to him. That’s a lot of money to pass on. I think there are a few teams that would be interested, it just depends if he wants those cities.

Why are people so convinced that he doesn't want to sign here because he doesn't like the city??? Total nonsense.

My impression is that he doesn't want to sign long term after having such a down year because he'd be leaving alot of potential career earnings on the table, especially with the cap potentially going up $4m when he goes UFA. The Sens, on the other hand, absolutely want to sign him long term right for the exact same reason, probably in the range of 7.5-8m (8yr). Plus, the fact that both parties know that's probably the limit the Sens can afford anyways in their cap structure.

The whole "I need to talk to my family" schtick was simply because he needs to decide between the following two options:

1. If it's worth leaving money on the table in favor of a long term contract so he can settle in Ottawa and plant his roots, especially with a newborn child.

2. Or if he wants to take the 1yr deal with the uncertainly of pricing himself out of our cap structure if he plays much better next year, or even risk getting traded this offseason.

There's been no indication that he doesn't like it in Ottawa. None whatsoever.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

If we take on Granlund in a DBC deal there is no way I would do it without the Penguins 2024 or 2025 1st rounder. That team is primed for a huge falloff, IMO. Could easily be top 5 in either of those years.

In fact I might be interested in that.

To Pitt:
DBC

To Ott:
Granlund
2024 2nd
2025 1st

Play Granlund with Stü for a while and see if you can pump and dump him.

If we take on Granlund in a DBC deal there is no way I would do it without the Penguins 2024 or 2025 1st rounder. That team is primed for a huge falloff, IMO. Could easily be top 5 in either of those years.

In fact I might be interested in that.

To Pitt:
DBC

To Ott:
Granlund
2024 2nd
2025 1st

Play Granlund with Stü for a while and see if you can pump and dump him.

 

[bert]

I'm watching Jonathan Marchessault tear it up in these playoffs. There is no reason DBC can't do the same. I have also seen Barbashev do nothing for most of his playoff career.

Beware the 3rd liner who has a breakout postseason. This is how terrible contracts are born. This guy had 9 points in 50 playoff games coming into this season including 2 in 12 games last year. He is a major reason the Blues lost in the 2nd round last year. He's playing great this year but, man, I would not want to hitch my wagon to this guy. It would be a pretty big gamble.

You have seen Barbashev do nothing? You must be blind. He isnt a third liner he had 60 points last year. If he isnt scoring he is still contributing and is blatantly obvious when he is playing a game. You are clearly only stat watching. But then cherry picking which stats you want to use. Id hitch my wagon to him any time. This board has no clue what a winning team looks like.

I'm watching Jonathan Marchessault tear it up in these playoffs. There is no reason DBC can't do the same. I have also seen Barbashev do nothing for most of his playoff career.

Beware the 3rd liner who has a breakout postseason. This is how terrible contracts are born. This guy had 9 points in 50 playoff games coming into this season including 2 in 12 games last year. He is a major reason the Blues lost in the 2nd round last year. He's playing great this year but, man, I would not want to hitch my wagon to this guy. It would be a pretty big gamble.

You have seen Barbashev do nothing? You must be blind. He isnt a third liner he had 60 points last year. If he isnt scoring he is still contributing and is blatantly obvious when he is playing a game. You are clearly only stat watching. But then cherry picking which stats you want to use. Id hitch my wagon to him any time. This board has no clue what a winning team looks like.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Lame Duck GM forced to trade player looking at a 9M QO after giving up a 2022 7OA , 2022 39OA and a 2024 3rd 1 year ago what could go wrong.

How will PD try to spin this to make it not his fault he is in this situation? .. DBC wanted to wait until new owners were known... why would he care which billionaire buys the team?

 

[BankStreetParade]

Unless you're talking about Tkachuk? Which was a completely different situation considering he was an RFA coming off an ELC...

And nobody is saying the sky is falling. GMs make bad decisions all the time. Not just our GM, but GMs of other teams too. Ours just seems to make more than his fair share. Which is probably why his team still can't get into the playoffs. (Don't worry, he's made some good ones too, and we can all agree there is some potential here...)

Trading for Debrincat, in hindsight considering his performance last year and his apparent unwillingness to play here moving forward, looks to be another bad decision.

Shocker - fans on discussion board will discuss bad decisions!

I was talking about Tkachuk and the situations aren't that different. We had 100s of pages of people hypothesizing about how he was going to find the fastest way out of Ottawa, he was an American who wanted to go back to the States, his family didn't want him here, etc. ... it's kind of fascinating how this is just a redux of that albeit the expedited version with Debrincat. And the idea of pennies on the dollar is just a hypothetical. Another hypothetical is a 1-for-1 trade where he goes somewhere he's willing to sign a longterm extension and we get a comparable piece with term back in the deal. That would be an actual discussion rather than the "woe is us" and "bad GM" routine you're always trying to pass off as open-minded conversation.

Unless you're talking about Tkachuk? Which was a completely different situation considering he was an RFA coming off an ELC...

And nobody is saying the sky is falling. GMs make bad decisions all the time. Not just our GM, but GMs of other teams too. Ours just seems to make more than his fair share. Which is probably why his team still can't get into the playoffs. (Don't worry, he's made some good ones too, and we can all agree there is some potential here...)

Trading for Debrincat, in hindsight considering his performance last year and his apparent unwillingness to play here moving forward, looks to be another bad decision.

Shocker - fans on discussion board will discuss bad decisions!

I was talking about Tkachuk and the situations aren't that different. We had 100s of pages of people hypothesizing about how he was going to find the fastest way out of Ottawa, he was an American who wanted to go back to the States, his family didn't want him here, etc. ... it's kind of fascinating how this is just a redux of that albeit the expedited version with Debrincat. And the idea of pennies on the dollar is just a hypothetical. Another hypothetical is a 1-for-1 trade where he goes somewhere he's willing to sign a longterm extension and we get a comparable piece with term back in the deal. That would be an actual discussion rather than the "woe is us" and "bad GM" routine you're always trying to pass off as open-minded conversation.

 

[DaveMatthew]

I was talking about Tkachuk and the situations aren't that different. We had 100s of pages of people hypothesizing about how he was going to find the fastest way out of Ottawa, he was an American who wanted to go back to the States, his family didn't want him here, etc. ... it's kind of fascinating how this is just a redux of that albeit the expedited version with Debrincat. And the idea of pennies on the dollar is just a hypothetical. Another hypothetical is a 1-for-1 trade where he goes somewhere he's willing to sign a longterm extension and we get a comparable piece with term back in the deal. That would be an actual discussion rather than the "woe is us" and "bad GM" routine you're always trying to pass off as open-minded conversation.

Except with Debrincat, we actually have reports from Garrioch and Friedman that indicate he doesn't want to sign here. So it's not at all comparable, because there weren't any credible reports about Tkachuk. Did some fans freak out with a worst case scenario? Sure.

I'm fully on board with hypothesizing about a potential 1 for 1 trade where we get a comparable piece with term back in the deal.

Would love it if you threw out some ideas instead of finger wagging other posters about their opinions.

Maybe we do a 1 for 1 for Jesper Bratt and give him 8x8. Would you be happy with that?

I was talking about Tkachuk and the situations aren't that different. We had 100s of pages of people hypothesizing about how he was going to find the fastest way out of Ottawa, he was an American who wanted to go back to the States, his family didn't want him here, etc. ... it's kind of fascinating how this is just a redux of that albeit the expedited version with Debrincat. And the idea of pennies on the dollar is just a hypothetical. Another hypothetical is a 1-for-1 trade where he goes somewhere he's willing to sign a longterm extension and we get a comparable piece with term back in the deal. That would be an actual discussion rather than the "woe is us" and "bad GM" routine you're always trying to pass off as open-minded conversation.

Except with Debrincat, we actually have reports from Garrioch and Friedman that indicate he doesn't want to sign here. So it's not at all comparable, because there weren't any credible reports about Tkachuk. Did some fans freak out with a worst case scenario? Sure.

I'm fully on board with hypothesizing about a potential 1 for 1 trade where we get a comparable piece with term back in the deal.

Would love it if you threw out some ideas instead of finger wagging other posters about their opinions.

Maybe we do a 1 for 1 for Jesper Bratt and give him 8x8. Would you be happy with that?

 

[DaveMatthew]

To Ottawa: Carter Hart + Scott Laughton
To Detroit: Alex Debrincat
To Philadelphia: 17OA (from DET) + 43OA (from DET) + Filip Zadina + Lassi Thomson

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

 

[Hale The Villain]

To Ottawa: Carter Hart + Scott Laughton
To Detroit: Alex Debrincat
To Philadelphia: 17OA (from DET) + 43OA (from DET) + Filip Zadina + Lassi Thomson

Fair all around.

Maybe have Formenton going to Philly instead of Lassi.

They don't really give a crap about off-ice issues.