Player Discussion Alex DeBrincat

[L'Aveuglette]

Hopefully we end this bullshit never-ending sale process and sign this kid long term before the draft.

 

[bert]

Gotta trade him now and try to recoup whatever you gave up for him

All you guys said I was wrong when I said they should have traded him at the trade deadline. Now how does everyone feel. This has got to be Dorions 9th life and it hilariously ends with a cat. How on earth do you make that deal without an extension in place.

Hopefully we end this bullshit never-ending sale process and sign this kid long term before the draft.

You watching this game right now and really think you want to play a player like him 8.5 to 9 million? He would be an absolute none factor. Spend the money on Barbashev or Bertuzzi.

I was looking at Carolina as a potential partner, they are set up to be able to offer him a contract extension which would probably put them in the running.

Issue is they don't have a tonne of NHL-ready talent that they would be willing to give up/we should trade for. Ideally it would be centered around Jarvis or Necas, but I think they want to keep Jarvis long-term and I'm hesitant to trade for Necas based on a breakout season.

Would maybe do something like:

DeBrincat + Brannstrom/JBD/Thomson
for
Necas + Morrow/Nikishin/Seeley + 2nd

Unfortunately they're very loaded up on NHL D and after the Chych trade I don't think that's where we'd be looking to add.

There is no way the sens are getting Necas back for Debrincat that makes no sense for Carolina they are trying to win now. Secondly he is a more dynamic player than Debrincat younger has more cost control. The sens need to replenish the prospect pool and fill out the roster's depth. The team is so easy to play against. Get some picks and prospects from them and use the money elsewhere. Sens Twitter is lost in what they think they are going to get back for Debrincat. His value is less than last year whey would he return more?

 

[bicboi64]

I'd absolutely expect Dorion to be listening to offers, that's his job. I don't think this means Cat doesn't want to extend, but maybe waiting to see if new ownership can give him absurd signing bonuses or whatnot is a part of his thought process. Dorion never should have traded for Cat when we had Giroux lined up, especially if he didn't have a contract extension in place. But that doesn't change the fact that Dorion should be listening to offers for Cat.

There's still time to get him extended, but given the cap decisions we'll have to make, I can't fault PD for seeing what the market is like.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

All you guys said I was wrong when I said they should have traded him at the trade deadline. Now how does everyone feel. This has got to be Dorions 9th life and it hilariously ends with a cat. How on earth do you make that deal without an extension in place.


You watching this game right now and really think you want to play a player like him 8.5 to 9 million? He would be an absolute none factor. Spend the money on Barbashev or Bertuzzi.


There is no way the sens are getting Necas back for Debrincat that makes no sense for Carolina they are trying to win now. Secondly he is a more dynamic player than Debrincat younger has more cost control. The sens need to replenish the prospect pool and fill out the roster's depth. The team is so easy to play against. Get some picks and prospects from them and use the money elsewhere. Sens Twitter is lost in what they think they are going to get back for Debrincat. His value is less than last year whey would he return more?

I'd take Bertuzzi or Barbashev on top of keeping DBC, but not as replacements. DBC is a solid player who had a down year and we'll never find a better top-6 guy.

 

[bert]

I'd take Bertuzzi or Barbashev on top of keeping DBC, but not as replacements. DBC is a solid player who had a down year and we'll never find a better top-6 guy.

Well they dont have the cap space for that. Both of those guys are better fits on the sens with what they currently have on the roster. They dont need Debrincat. They have plenty of players that can provide a similar skill set. They need to get much heavier and harder to play against.

Are you watching these playoffs and believe Debrincat would be a more effective player than Barbashev in a playoff series?

 

[GCK]

I don’t get the hand wringing over Debrincat. He’s a complementary player who is going to make way too much to be a 2nd line, 2nd PP guy. Just move him for whatever and take the cap space as the main asset.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Meh I don't care about the optics. It feels you always get better value out of a trade at the deadline vs the summer.

Maybe Debrincat gets sold on the team when they are in a playoff spot and the vibes are good and re-ups? If not thats fine move him at 50% and get a first rounder and a good prospect and replace him with a downgrade from another team. If we are are in a playoff spot its going to be because of Timmy and Brady making guys like him look good and not vice versa.

For sure, I don't care either, but management will never do it is what I meant. Especially not with how badly this team needs to make it in next year. Could even be a repeat from this year where they're "in it" enough not to sell, we keep him AND don't make it in. Personally, I'd prefer to just move him now if he won't sign. We're at a point where quality secondary assets are starting to be a bit scarce, and offence is the least of our issues, so I say re-stock a couple assets and move on with the cap space.

 

[bert]

I don’t get the hand wringing over Debrincat. He’s a complementary player who is going to make way too much to be a 2nd line, 2nd PP guy. Just move him for whatever and take the cap space as the main asset.

Pretty straight forward and obvious. Giroux is better on the PP anyway and they have Norris coming back. Pinto is also just getting started is a righty with a great shot. He never made sense to trade for in the first place with the roster make up.

 

[GCK]

Pretty straight forward and obvious. Giroux is better on the PP anyway and they have Norris coming back. Pinto is also just getting starter is a righty with a great shot. He never made sense to trade for in the first place with the roster make up.

Pressure was on Dorion when they upped his budget and he wasted it on Debrincat.

 

[bert]

Pressure was on Dorion when they upped his budget and he wasted it on Debrincat.

If he knew he was getting Giroux it never made sense. Maybe he didnt know but I find that highly unlikely. This should be the nail in the coffin for Pierre unless he does something incredible like get an amazing return on Debrincat in the form of picks and prospects then finds a way to use the money on Bertuzzi, Barbashev and a goalie. Team gets way better and replenishes the prospect pool.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I don't see that bringing DeBrincat back on a 1-year deal really benefits the Senators. You're just creating a situation where you likely watch him walk for nothing.

Ottawa should not be in a position to sell players at next season's deadline - there is no way a probable bubble team trying to snap a six year playoff drought should be doing that. Even if they were willing to deal him, you're stuck getting a standard futures package for a rental [1st, 3rd, mediocre prospect type deal]. Contenders won't touch their roster at the deadline which is bad because we need an NHL body coming back.

He has to go in the next ~3 weeks. Dorion can get a deal that better fits our needs, plus he gets more cap space to address other issues.

I don’t like it either, but the optics and option can help keep the summer/draft offers more honest.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

I'd take Bertuzzi or Barbashev on top of keeping DBC, but not as replacements. DBC is a solid player who had a down year and we'll never find a better top-6 guy.

Vegas has Brett Howden in their top 6 right now and are up 2-0 in the Stanley Cup Final. We don't need 6 All-Stars in the top 6 to be competitive. Norris and Batherson can carry a 2nd line on their own just fine, just need a guy who doesn't slow them down.

However, take a look at Vegas' 3rd line. Significantly better than ours. Taking DeBrincat's cap hit and putting that towards two middle 6 players instead could be the better move.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Vegas has Brett Howden in their top 6 right now and are up 2-0 in the Stanley Cup Final. We don't need 6 All-Stars in the top 6 to be competitive. Norris and Batherson can carry a 2nd line on their own just fine, just need a guy who doesn't slow them down.

However, take a look at Vegas' 3rd line. Significantly better than ours. Taking DeBrincat's cap hit and putting that towards two middle 6 players instead could be the better move.

So Vegas just has top-6 players forwards playing on their third line? Sens can easily just slot in Batherson or Giroux on on the 3rd line and plug in a 3rd liner in the top 6.

I do agree that 8 million could be better spent on depth/goaltending than Cat, but it’s a lot easier said than done, especially when we have no idea when this team is actually getting f***ing sold.

 

[DrEasy]

Trading for DBC without an extension was only going to be a success if:

- he fits well within the group and extends with the team at a reasonable amount

- he doesn't extend but puts us over the edge and we make the playoffs twice thanks to him.

Neither scenario is likely at this point...

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

Trading for DBC without an extension was only going to be a success if:

- he fits well within the group and extends with the team at a reasonable amount

- he doesn't extend but puts us over the edge and we make the playoffs twice thanks to him.

Neither scenario is likely at this point...

I think he fits well with the group, but DJ’s system and/or not playing with an elite distributing player doesn’t optimize his weapons. That’s why I wonder whether we roll with the same coaching staff is a significant factor for him. But hey, I know nothing, and I’m in the sign him long term camp.

 

[JD1]

DeBrincat has the 14th most goals in the league over the last 6 seasons. Is that really a 2nd line, 2nd PP player? That's coming off a down year

We were 2nd in the league in hits last year. Are we really easy to play against?

Maybe the reluctance to sign is related to the possibility he's dropped from the PP 1.

Maybe the reluctance to sign is related to fitting into the team salary structure? Maybe he's thinking if I get 40 next year and the caps going up, I'll get a 9.5 AAV deal.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

DeBrincat's one-timer snapshot is how he scored so many goals with Chicago, but obviously he wasn't going to get as many perfect set-ups as he did playing with Kane.

Was shocked watching his highlights how much Kane factored into DeBrincat's goal totals last year on absolutely perfect passes.

It's not a surprise. Cat has a lot of talent, but he's also an extreme specialist. He has to have his line and systems set up a certain way to rack up the points and shine.

And that is why it will be a minor blessing to trade him this summer instead of getting roped into a horrific 8x8 (or worse) deal. He doesn't fit with this team.

 

[Oscar The Grouch]

I'd love to deal him and get a Debrincat-type in return.

 

[DJB]

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

The Senators are preparing for every scenario with the two-time 40-goal scorer because his agent Jeff Jackson has informed the organization DeBrincat isn’t ready to discuss a long-term contract extension right now, league sources confirmed to Postmedia on Monday.

Trade him. Use Arb for more time if needed.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Hopefully the "small players will get crushed in the playoffs" isn't as loud this summer after Marchessault has lighten it up and we get a good return.

What terrible management though. Two top ten picks during a rebuild that will end up being Tyler Boucher and, likely, an overpaid 2nd liner and mediocre prospect. Can't happen.

 

[Sun God Nika]

Hopefully the "small players will get crushed in the playoffs" isn't as loud this summer after Marchessault has lighten it up and we get a good return.

What terrible management though. Two top ten picks during a rebuild that will end up being Tyler Boucher and, likely, an overpaid 2nd liner and mediocre prospect. Can't happen.

Could be worse . Stutzle Sanderson, Tkachuk all hit really good .

 

[Senscore]

Could be worse . Stutzle Sanderson, Tkachuk all hit really good .

Two steps forward one step back still won't get us very far. It's the difference from being a good team to a legit contender.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Could be worse . Stutzle Sanderson, Tkachuk all hit really good .

Sure. Hopefully they can at least become a playoff team. It's a big TBD if they'll have the supporting cast they need to actually contend.

3 good players does not make a top team. Vancouver hit on all of Horvat, Pettersson, Hughes and Demko, but have proceeded to do shit all as a team.

 

[Sun God Nika]

Sure. Hopefully they can at least become a playoff team. It's a big TBD if they'll have the supporting cast they need to actually contend.

3 good players does not make a top team. Vancouver hit on all of Horvat, Pettersson, Hughes and Demko, but have proceeded to do shit all as a team.

I think they will. I can’t remember the last time our team had so many players that I actually wanted in our line up

Stutzle
Tkachuk
Norris
Giroux
Batherson
Debrincat*
Pinto
Greig?

Chabot
Sanderson
Chychrun
Zub
Brannstrom?


Big holes in bottom 6 and goaltending for sure however these aren’t typically pieces you find in the top end of the draft.