Player Discussion Alex DeBrincat

[StoicSensFan]

Seems odd to say that we're going to sign him to his QO if they can't get a long term contract done, but now we're going to explore trade options..

 

[DaveMatthew]

I don't get what the news here that prompted that article.

It doesn't say if Debrincat has indicated he wants to stay or not.

Senators doing its due diligence in seeing the value of their player in the case he doesn't want to stay isn't really news. Wasn't that always going to be the case?

DeBrincat recently indicated he wished to wait until the completion of the Senators’ ownership saga before thinking of committing to a long-term extension. Even if the Senators pick a new owner in the near future, there’s still the sale-closing process — which will take time.

That makes it seem like he's not interested in extending this summer. Maybe during next season, if things go well. But let's be honest, he's probably made up his mind.

Funny how initially he needed time to talk with his family... now he he needs time to see if it's Andlauer or Kimel?

Doesn't sound like someone eager to be part of the core here. You either want to live in Ottawa and play with all of the guys who are already signed, or you don't. The new owner shouldn't make much of a difference.

Dorion said he'd know within 10 days in that last interview. I'm guessing he didn't get an answer that made him think he could keep him.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I don't get what the news here that prompted that article.

It doesn't say if Debrincat has indicated he wants to stay or not.

Senators doing its due diligence in seeing the value of their player in the case he doesn't want to stay isn't really news. Wasn't that always going to be the case?

That's if you believe all the Sens are doing is due diligence and honestly believe DeBrincat needs to find out who the next owner is before signing an extension.

I think that's just an excuse for DeBrincat to avoid being in the spotlight for months as trade bait with one foot clearly out of the door.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I'd understand why Dorion might need to wait for new ownership in order to offer ADB a contract. But that doesn't seem to be the case. It sounds like he's fully able to offer an extension.

I don't understand why Debrincat needs to see who the owner is before he re-signs. Does it really matter if it's Andlauer or Kimel or Astopolopolous? How would that impact a player?

Sounds like a "soft" way of communicating that he has no interest in staying.

Another one bites the dust.

Well, to a certain extent, Alfredsson basically pissed away the back half of his career, and Karlsson the first half, under Melnyk's budget squads, coaching & management. I doubt that's it, but I could absolutely see DeBrincat wondering if he's signing up the rest of his career to a team trying to win at all costs, or a team with winning as a goal firmly behind budgeting.

 

[Adrianopolous]

DBC is a soft floater. Give me a hard body tough winger any day

 

[DaveMatthew]

Well, to a certain extent, Alfredsson basically pissed away the back half of his career, and Karlsson the first half, under Melnyk's budget squads, coaching & management. I doubt that's it, but I could absolutely see DeBrincat wondering if he's signing up the rest of his career to a team trying to win at all costs, or a team with winning as a goal firmly behind budgeting.

Realistically though, he's not going to know whether new ownership is good or bad in the next 6 months. Nobody will. Whether it's Andlauer or Kimel or Apostolopolous, they'll all come in and talk about how committed to winning they are.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Realistically though, he's not going to know whether new ownership is good or bad in the next 6 months. Nobody will. Whether it's Andlauer or Kimel or Apostolopolous, they'll all come in and talk about how committed to winning they are.

Ya good point. Even if they were intending to be frugal, they won't be dumb enough to come out with it publicly.

 

[Big Muddy]

That makes it seem like he's not interested in extending this summer. Maybe during next season, if things go well. But let's be honest, he's probably made up his mind.

Funny how initially he needed time to talk with his family... now he he needs time to see if it's Andlauer or Kimel?

Doesn't sound like someone eager to be part of the core here. You either want to live in Ottawa and play with all of the guys who are already signed, or you don't. The new owner shouldn't make much of a difference.

Dorion said he'd know within 10 days in that last interview. I'm guessing he didn't get an answer that made him think he could keep him.

It seemed from the beginning that this could be a 1-year (one and done) deal. The 2nd year was pretty much always just a maybe.

 

[Ouroboros]

He was never signing, and that's been clear for months. Multiple insiders have reported that the Sens tried to engage him in contract discussions on a number of occasions during the season only to receive no uptake. Prior to the trade deadline, Dreger reported that the belief around the league is that this a Dubois/Winnipeg type situation where the player has no intention of staying where he is.

As I've said before, the vibes were off from day one.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

He was never signing, and that's been clear for months. Multiple insiders have reported that the Sens tried to engage him in contract discussions on a number of occasions during the season only to receive no uptake. Prior to the trade deadline, Dreger reported that the belief around the league is that this a Dubois/Winnipeg type situation where the player has no intention of staying where he is.

As I've said before, the vibes were off from day one.

All those RFA long term re-signing's had the fan base overconfident maybe.

 

[Adrianopolous]

 

[BondraTime]

Of course he needs time.

It's an easy out without having to answer to questions, for both player and GM.

Let's wait and see, works for both.

DBC doesn't want it out that he's not looking at staying. Why bring that attention this early, when you can wait until it's done. Just stay silent, and wait.

Dorion doesn't want it out because he doesn't want to deal from a point of weakness, nor does he want to deal with the media attention it would get.

Media can ask about DBC up until the draft, they'll get the same stock answer we have been getting for months. It's a waiting game.

We are going to hear that there is uncertainty up until the draft, then he'll be dealt, and we'll find out we couldn't reach a long term deal.

The worrying part to me is that I expect that this recon for DBC's value is going to show us there is little value from other teams placed on him right now

 

[Hale The Villain]

All those RFA long term re-signing's had the fan base overconfident maybe.

Which was silly, because as I've pointed out a billion times there's a massive difference between a RFA one season away from UFA status like DeBrincat and guys like Stutzle/Tkachuk/Norris who are many years away from UFA status.

Stutzle, Tkachuk and Norris couldn't leave. Best they could do if they wanted out was take a short bridge deal that paid them far less than the 8M they are getting each season. All DeBrincat had to do was tell the Sens he's not re-signing and we either have to deal him or get to keep him for only 1 more year.

The fact that Dorion didn't even bother discussing an extension with DeBrincat before dealing for him should have told people all they needed to know. He never wanted to come here, which is no surprise. He's an American that has played his entire career in the U.S. Small town Canadian franchises aren't exactly ideal destinations for them.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Of course he needs time.

It's an easy out without having to answer to questions, for both player and GM.

Let's wait and see, works for both.

DBC doesn't want it out that he's not looking at staying. Why bring that attention this early, when you can wait until it's done. Just stay silent, and wait.

Dorion doesn't want it out because he doesn't want to deal from a point of weakness, nor does he want to deal with the media attention it would get.

Media can ask about DBC up until the draft, they'll get the same stock answer we have been getting for months. It's a waiting game.

We are going to hear that there is uncertainty up until the draft, then he'll be dealt, and we'll find out we couldn't reach a long term deal.

The worrying part to me is that I expect that this recon for DBC's value is going to show us there is little value from other teams placed on him right now

He played this perfectly for media attention, or lack thereof. Kick it off to the summer every time it's brought up. No facing camera's in the middle of summer now and he can just wait until Dorion moves him and move on to his new team.

Which was silly, because as I've pointed out a billion times there's a massive difference between a RFA one season away from UFA status like DeBrincat and guys like Stutzle/Tkachuk/Norris who are many years away from UFA status.

Stutzle, Tkachuk and Norris couldn't leave. Best they could do if they wanted out was take a short bridge deal that paid them far less than the 8M they are getting each season. All DeBrincat had to do was tell the Sens he's not re-signing and we either have to deal him or get to keep him for only 1 more year.

The fact that Dorion didn't even bother discussing an extension with DeBrincat before dealing for him should have told people all they needed to know. He never wanted to come here, which is no surprise. He's an American that has played his entire career in the U.S. Small town Canadian franchises aren't exactly ideal destinations for them.

For sure. I am happy about all the re-signings of RFA's, but definitely not a comparable.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I don't get what the news here that prompted that article.

It doesn't say if Debrincat has indicated he wants to stay or not.

Senators doing its due diligence in seeing the value of their player in the case he doesn't want to stay isn't really news. Wasn't that always going to be the case?

Yep , basically regurgitating what PD said.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Gotta trade him now and try to recoup whatever you gave up for him

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Yep , basically regurgitating what PD said.

Which is like 95% of these guys' job. Everyone once in a while they provide something useful.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

The Drive - Hour 3

AJ and Lee start the hour by debating what the Sens should do with Alex DeBrincat, after reports that the Sens are exploring trade options. They also take your texts on what the Sens should do with the Cat, and take a look at how his next contract will look compared to Cole Caufield's new deal

www.tsn.ca

Gotta trade him now and try to recoup whatever you gave up for him

April 14, 2023 retweet.

 

[DaveMatthew]

To Philadelphia: Alex Debrincat, Mads Sogaard
To Ottawa: Kevin Hayes, Carter Hart

 

[Ouroboros]

This is going to be really interesting to watch play out. Dorion is in a really difficult negotiating position here - teams have to know that DeBrincat has no interest in being in Ottawa, he's coming off a down season, and he's in a very team-unfriendly contract situation. I think the trade return could be a whole lot less than people are hoping/expecting.

I think if Dorion can get a depth winger [Kubalik, Blais, Tanev] and a 1st he will have done fairly well.

Probably going to have to try to land a UFA winger as well. Gotta target guys that can score at EV, we have no need for any more PP merchants.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

The Drive - Hour 3

AJ and Lee start the hour by debating what the Sens should do with Alex DeBrincat, after reports that the Sens are exploring trade options. They also take your texts on what the Sens should do with the Cat, and take a look at how his next contract will look compared to Cole Caufield's new deal

www.tsn.ca

April 14, 2023 retweet.

I'm going to stop linking tweets and leave it to the pros

 

[JaredCowen4Norris]

Those teams dont have any money. Thats the thing right now, now many teams have any cap space that are any good. Flat cap has pressed all these teams. Ottawa might have to overpay by 500 k or something relative to other offers but its still way less than what Debrincat is going to make. Carolina is a team that needs goal scoring they likely target someone like Debrincat. They may a good trade partner they have a good group of picks and prospects as they gave up nothing at the deadline this year.

I was looking at Carolina as a potential partner, they are set up to be able to offer him a contract extension which would probably put them in the running.

Issue is they don't have a tonne of NHL-ready talent that they would be willing to give up/we should trade for. Ideally it would be centered around Jarvis or Necas, but I think they want to keep Jarvis long-term and I'm hesitant to trade for Necas based on a breakout season.

Would maybe do something like:

DeBrincat + Brannstrom/JBD/Thomson
for
Necas + Morrow/Nikishin/Seeley + 2nd

Unfortunately they're very loaded up on NHL D and after the Chych trade I don't think that's where we'd be looking to add.

 

[swiftwin]

Remember when Bobby Ryan was definitely hating it here and absolutely wanted to sign in Philadelphia?

 

[DaveMatthew]

Remember when Bobby Ryan was definitely hating it here and absolutely wanted to sign in Philadelphia?

Remember when the Mark Stone extension was super close and the 1-year extension was fine because they just needed a couple more weeks to iron out the details? And when Matt Duchene was super happy to be here? It was so close to Haliburton!

Those are about as relevant to the ADB situation as Bobby Ryan.

With that said, there are some very interesting scenarios this summer. You have lots of good players, including Hellebuyck, available in Winnipeg. You have a couple of teams who are seemingly going to try for a last dance style run in the next 2 years (Pittsburgh, Washington). And you have new management in markets that probably want to make a bit of a splash (Philly, Calgary).

Dorion has never been shy to wheel and deal, and he definitely is a risk taker, so I'm curious to see what he does.

I don't know if he's going to settle for a "couple of prospects and cap space" type deal. I bet he tries to land another big fish.

So at least it'll be exciting.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

This is going to be really interesting to watch play out. Dorion is in a really difficult negotiating position here - teams have to know that DeBrincat has no interest in being in Ottawa, he's coming off a down season, and he's in a very team-unfriendly contract situation. I think the trade return could be a whole lot less than people are hoping/expecting.

I think if Dorion can get a depth winger [Kubalik, Blais, Tanev] and a 1st he will have done fairly well.

Probably going to have to try to land a UFA winger as well. Gotta target guys that can score at EV, we have no need for any more PP merhcnats.

I'd be okay with that. Get back a guy who can play up in the top 6, and then target a similar type player in UFA as well. Depth is way more important than having a stacked 2nd line anyway.