Player Discussion Alex DeBrincat

[Loach]

I tend to agree as the Senators have not been known to offer large signing bonuses paid over the life of the contract; however that was under Melnyk. Even without signing bonuses, an $8M AAV might be enough to get him to sign.

If new ownership is willing to do signing bonuses, even smaller ones, that could be a real help when dealing with players. Not just contracts but trades too.

 

[Tundraman]

If there was one Dorion move I'd wish for a do-over this ranks right up there!

 

[aragorn]

It was rumoured a while ago that DeBrusk wanted out of Boston, I wonder if Boston would be interested in DBC for DeBrusk. DBC brings a little more offence to Boston something they could have used in the playoffs. DeBrusk plays a rugged style that would fit in on Ott & would be another good playoff type player. On a line with Norris & Batherson he could increase his producion & make Ott that much harder to play against. Having the cheaper DeBrusk on board might free up enough money to also sign Lucic.

To Boston: DBC LW/RW
To Ottawa: DeBrusk LW

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux
DeBrusk - Norris - Batherson
Formenton - Pinto - Sokolov
Lucic - Kastelic - Gauthier

 

[Golden_Jet]

It was rumoured a while ago that DeBrusk wanted out of Boston, I wonder if Boston would be interested in DBC for DeBrusk. DBC brings a little more offence to Boston something they could have used in the playoffs. DeBrusk plays a rugged style that would fit in on Ott & would be another good playoff type player. On a line with Norris & Batherson he could increase his producion & make Ott that much harder to play against. Having the cheaper DeBrusk on board might free up enough money to also sign Lucic.

To Boston: DBC LW/RW
To Ottawa: DeBrusk LW

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux
DeBrusk - Norris - Batherson
Formenton - Pinto - Sokolov
Lucic - Kastelic - Gauthier

Debrusk and one of their goalies sure.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

It was rumoured a while ago that DeBrusk wanted out of Boston, I wonder if Boston would be interested in DBC for DeBrusk. DBC brings a little more offence to Boston something they could have used in the playoffs. DeBrusk plays a rugged style that would fit in on Ott & would be another good playoff type player. On a line with Norris & Batherson he could increase his producion & make Ott that much harder to play against. Having the cheaper DeBrusk on board might free up enough money to also sign Lucic.

To Boston: DBC LW/RW
To Ottawa: DeBrusk LW

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux
DeBrusk - Norris - Batherson
Formenton - Pinto - Sokolov
Lucic - Kastelic - Gauthier

Bos does not have the cap. Also I'm a flames fan and please do not sign Lucic. He is atrocious.

 

[Larionov]

For those talking about a three to four year deal, who is the last star player to take less than a max term deal? Ok, Matthews - any others? None that I can recall. For DeBrincat to take anything less than a max term deal is a risk for him and his family. If he suffers a serious injury, which can happen in this sport, he will have left millions on the table. Yes, the cap is going to rise, but given the recent collapse of the Bally Sports Network in the States I think that there are some definite limits as to how much of a rise you might see. Those who were talking about a 20-25% jump in the cap have been a lot quieter lately. I still don't think that DeBrincat is signing here, but when he does ultimately sign his next long term deal, it will almost certainly be a seven to eight year one. (Depending on whether he signs it as a UFA or as an extension with a current club.)

 

[BondraTime]

For those talking about a three to four year deal, who is the last star player to take less than a max term deal? Ok, Matthews - any others? None that I can recall. For DeBrincat to take anything less than a max term deal is a risk for him and his family. If he suffers a serious injury, which can happen in this sport, he will have left millions on the table. Yes, the cap is going to rise, but given the recent collapse of the Bally Sports Network in the States I think that there are some definite limits as to how much of a rise you might see. Those who were talking about a 20-25% jump in the cap have been a lot quieter lately. I still don't think that DeBrincat is signing here, but when he does ultimately sign his next long term deal, it will almost certainly be a seven to eight year one. (Depending on whether he signs it as a UFA or as an extension with a current club.)

Matthews was only his 2nd contract at 21, DBC did the same with a 3 year deal at 22.

Now his 3rd contract, there is no chance he is taking a mid term contract, none.

It’s either a 7/8 year deal, or a 1 year deal towards a 7 year deal.

 

[Golden_Jet]

For those talking about a three to four year deal, who is the last star player to take less than a max term deal? Ok, Matthews - any others? None that I can recall. For DeBrincat to take anything less than a max term deal is a risk for him and his family. If he suffers a serious injury, which can happen in this sport, he will have left millions on the table. Yes, the cap is going to rise, but given the recent collapse of the Bally Sports Network in the States I think that there are some definite limits as to how much of a rise you might see. Those who were talking about a 20-25% jump in the cap have been a lot quieter lately. I still don't think that DeBrincat is signing here, but when he does ultimately sign his next long term deal, it will almost certainly be a seven to eight year one. (Depending on whether he signs it as a UFA or as an extension with a current club.)

Well on the leafs like you mentioned Matthew’s, but also Marner and Nylander.
Hossa when he was chasing his first cup, some 1 year deals until settled on Hawks.

 

[Ice-Tray]

It was rumoured a while ago that DeBrusk wanted out of Boston, I wonder if Boston would be interested in DBC for DeBrusk. DBC brings a little more offence to Boston something they could have used in the playoffs. DeBrusk plays a rugged style that would fit in on Ott & would be another good playoff type player. On a line with Norris & Batherson he could increase his producion & make Ott that much harder to play against. Having the cheaper DeBrusk on board might free up enough money to also sign Lucic.

To Boston: DBC LW/RW
To Ottawa: DeBrusk LW

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux
DeBrusk - Norris - Batherson
Formenton - Pinto - Sokolov
Lucic - Kastelic - Gauthier

I think he was one of the guys who wanted out because of Cassidy.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I think he was one of the guys who wanted out because of Cassidy.

That’s a good point, Krejci left the team because of him.

 

[Que]

I think the discussion about the qualifying offer means we are intent on keeping him, giving him more money than going through arbitration and hope another year here gives him reason to stay.

If not next seasons UFA class is strong so just let him walk and replace him with a big fish.

 

[SensHulk]

I think the discussion about the qualifying offer means we are intent on keeping him, giving him more money than going through arbitration and hope another year here gives him reason to stay.

If not next seasons UFA class is strong so just let him walk and replace him with a big fish.

If that’s the case, the risk is not worth it. Not to mention that Dorion and Co. already tried this approach with Stone and everyone with half a brain could tell this wasn’t going to end well. So to me it’s already asinine to try the exact same approach that didn’t work with a player that is another tier above DBC.

But if we did go down this path and the sens are doing really well, it’s going to be tough to trade him at the deadline since you don’t want to handcuff your own team by removing a key player, and then you run the risk of a Johnny Gaudreau situation. With hindsight, I think we can agree that was not the right move to keep him for his last year without a long term contract. You can also point to Pastrnak on the other hand but I would say we’re closer to an ‘American in Calgary wanting to go home to his family’ situation than Pastrnak.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

It was rumoured a while ago that DeBrusk wanted out of Boston, I wonder if Boston would be interested in DBC for DeBrusk. DBC brings a little more offence to Boston something they could have used in the playoffs. DeBrusk plays a rugged style that would fit in on Ott & would be another good playoff type player. On a line with Norris & Batherson he could increase his producion & make Ott that much harder to play against. Having the cheaper DeBrusk on board might free up enough money to also sign Lucic.

To Boston: DBC LW/RW
To Ottawa: DeBrusk LW

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux
DeBrusk - Norris - Batherson
Formenton - Pinto - Sokolov
Lucic - Kastelic - Gauthier

Not a good enough return and we're in no business of helping or making deals of that magnitude with a divisional rival.

 

[bicboi64]

I think everyone should stop using the $9M figure. That's not what Debrincat will be paid next year or on his next contract. I know that's his QO, but it doesn't matter. Ottawa will not pay him that, nor will a single other team in the league. And I can't imagine Debrincat will ask for it.

I dunno mate, there's loads of GMs that like to go whale hunting and might blow their top for Cat

 

[Oscar The Grouch]

This guy's a tiny littler loser. If he wanted to stay, we'd know by now.

Ship him off to The Shire and sign an Ent.

 

[ottawah]

Caulfield just signed for 7.85.

Personally I think Debrincat is well above his ask as a player. More proven, no injury history and a far more well rounded player. Plus near effectively a UFA which demands a premium. That said, Caulfield also at 22 likely has a bit more growth left in his game. Near exact same size and utilization although played last year with a much better center.

 

[otown]

Caulfield just signed for 7.85.

Personally I think Debrincat is well above his ask as a player. More proven, no injury history and a far more well rounded player. Plus near effectively a UFA which demands a premium. That said, Caulfield also at 22 likely has a bit more growth left in his game. Near exact same size and utilization although played last year with a much better center

Debrincat will probably get more given his resume. Could be a bit of a benchmark though.

 

[SpezDispenser]

I think we get him for 8 X 8.2. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking from me.

 

[bert]

If there was one Dorion move I'd wish for a do-over this ranks right up there!

Really? Its not even in my top 5. The hoffman deal, the Stone deal, the Zibanejad deal, the Gustavsson deal, the Stepan deal... Dorions got more lives than a cat.

I think we get him for 8 X 8.2. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking from me.

That would be terrible for this franchise. Cant pay a non play driving winger who is undersized that much money when they are the 5th best forward on the team.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Really? Its not even in my top 5. The hoffman deal, the Stone deal, the Zibanejad deal, the Gustavsson deal, the Stepan deal... Dorions got more lives than a cat.


That would be terrible for this franchise.

I really don't think it would. I like him more than you, obviously. I thought he had a high motor and would constantly retrieve the pucks from board battles, then had a deceptively good skill set when it came to passing.

He was inconsistent, yes, I get that, but playing with a more seasoned Pinto or Norris, he'd get a lot more goals and points.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Caulfield just signed for 7.85.

Personally I think Debrincat is well above his ask as a player. More proven, no injury history and a far more well rounded player. Plus near effectively a UFA which demands a premium. That said, Caulfield also at 22 likely has a bit more growth left in his game. Near exact same size and utilization although played last year with a much better center.

RFA versus UFA.

Caufield has less bargaining power since he's several years away from being able to leave via UFA.

His contract is more comparable to that of Stutzle, Tkachuk, Norris, etc... not to a guy who's 1 year away from UFA status.

 

[bert]

I really don't think it would. I like him more than you, obviously. I thought he had a high motor and would constantly retrieve the pucks from board battles, then had a deceptively good skill set when it came to passing.

He was inconsistent, yes, I get that, but playing with a more seasoned Pinto or Norris, he'd get a lot more goals and points.

Fair enough, I actually dont mind him as a player at all and in the right situation he could be worth that much. But this isnt the right situation for him or the team the way its currently constructed.

If someone told you, you could have Debrincat or Barbashev, Hill/Andersen/Varlamov and a 1st round pick what would you choose?

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Fair enough, I actually dont mind him as a player at all and in the right situation he could be worth that much. But this isnt the right situation for him or the team the way its currently constructed.

If someone told you, you could have Debrincat or Barbashev, Hill/Andersen/Varlamov and a 1st round pick what would you choose?

We're in a good spot. I thought like you did for the better part of the season, but there's a but.
Our cap structure is so neatly set up where we don't have anyone making 9+
We have our core locked up minus Sanderson who should fetch somewhere between 5-7M long term.
We have the Batherson contract which gives us this flexibility to maybe overpay a little on a Debrincat - say 8-8.5(MAX!)
It can definitely work especially if new owners are not against spending to the cap.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Fair enough, I actually dont mind him as a player at all and in the right situation he could be worth that much. But this isnt the right situation for him or the team the way its currently constructed.

If someone told you, you could have Debrincat or Barbashev, Hill/Andersen/Varlamov and a 1st round pick what would you choose?

That's a tough question - and yes, I see what you're doing, you're allocating the $$ to make the team deeper. Probably still DBC to be honest.

 

[bert]

We're in a good spot. I thought like you did for the better part of the season, but there's a but.
Our cap structure is so neatly set up where we don't have anyone making 9+
We have our core locked up minus Sanderson who should fetch somewhere between 5-7M long term.
We have the Batherson contract which gives us this flexibility to maybe overpay a little on a Debrincat - say 8-8.5(MAX!)
It can definitely work especially if new owners are not against spending to the cap.

In what world is Sanderson only making 5 to 7 million long term? I think they need to diversify the forward group. Outside of Tkachuk is a very easy group to play against. Too many players that plays the same way and dont bring anything extra than offense.

That's a tough question - and yes, I see what you're doing, you're allocating the $$ to make the team deeper. Probably still DBC to be honest.

I personally think the team is better with Barbashev right now than DBC, I am not saying he is a better player, more based on roster make up. The extra assets and cap flexibility makes its a no brainer for me.