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Player Discussion Alex DeBrincat

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bert said:
Fair enough, I actually dont mind him as a player at all and in the right situation he could be worth that much. But this isnt the right situation for him or the team the way its currently constructed.

If someone told you, you could have Debrincat or Barbashev, Hill/Andersen/Varlamov and a 1st round pick what would you choose?
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As great as Barbashev would be, there's a slim chance he'd sign here as a UFA. He'll have no shortage of interest from good teams south of the border with better tax situations (i.e. Vegas, Carolina, Colorado, etc).

If this was LA, that's the type of trade off you could make. For a market like Ottawa, it's not as easy as saying you can just replace him via UFA. You probably can't.
 
DaveMatthew said:
As great as Barbashev would be, there's a slim chance he'd sign here as a UFA. He'll have no shortage of interest from good teams south of the border with better tax situations (i.e. Vegas, Carolina, Colorado, etc).

If this was LA, that's the type of trade off you could make. For a market like Ottawa, it's not as easy as saying you can just replace him via UFA. You probably can't.
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Those teams dont have any money. Thats the thing right now, now many teams have any cap space that are any good. Flat cap has pressed all these teams. Ottawa might have to overpay by 500 k or something relative to other offers but its still way less than what Debrincat is going to make. Carolina is a team that needs goal scoring they likely target someone like Debrincat. They may a good trade partner they have a good group of picks and prospects as they gave up nothing at the deadline this year.

Maybe if the sens dont get Barbashev maybe they get someone like Bertuzzi... There are only so many landing spots. The team needs to look realistic at what its missing. Its not a right handed offensive player.
 
Hale The Villain said:
RFA versus UFA.

Caufield has less bargaining power since he's several years away from being able to leave via UFA.

His contract is more comparable to that of Stutzle, Tkachuk, Norris, etc... not to a guy who's 1 year away from UFA status.
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Thats what i was getting at. His price will command a premium over Caulfield because of that. The fact that he is also far more physical and a significantly better passer and an equivalent goal scorer easily negates the age gap IMO.

Personally I think if Caulfield get 7.85x8, Debrincat gets 9 on an 8 year deal. Maybe not with us, but its a good comparable.
 
There's very few quality forwards that are UFAs this year, and even fewer that are still in their 20s.

Barbashev and Bertuzzi are really the only U30 players that can be considered top 6 forwards.

I think Barbashev could easily stay in Vegas on a long-term deal, but Bertuzzi is almost certainly going to get a dumb contract from some desperate GM.

Good thing is that he's almost certainly not interested in coming to Ottawa for a variety of reasons.

If DeBrincat is traded a replacement forward will likely be coming back. Not one that makes anywhere close to 8M but one that can fill in on the 2nd/3rd line and allow for enough extra cap space to add a goalie and additional depth at forward or D.

Think Mantha from WSH, Kubalik/Fabbri from DET, Henrique from ANA, etc...
 
bert said:
Those teams dont have any money. Thats the thing right now, now many teams have any cap space that are any good. Flat cap has pressed all these teams. Ottawa might have to overpay by 500 k or something relative to other offers but its still way less than what Debrincat is going to make. Carolina is a team that needs goal scoring they likely target someone like Debrincat. They may a good trade partner they have a good group of picks and prospects as they gave up nothing at the deadline this year.

Maybe if the sens dont get Barbashev maybe they get someone like Bertuzzi... There are only so many landing spots. The team needs to look realistic at what its missing. Its not a right handed offensive player.
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I'm not sure that overpaying (and we'd have to overpay to get anyone to come here) a guy like Bertuzzi through his 28-35 year old seasons would be a better option than overpaying Debrincat through his 25-32 year old seasons.

Even with limited landing spots, Ottawa will always rank towards the bottom of the list for UFAs (unless we establish a culture of consistent winning, but that's a ways away, if it ever happens). For this team, a bird in hand really is worth two in the bush.

I'm not saying give Debrincat a blank cheque, but if you can get him for 6-8 years at $8M per, that's likely the best option.

If you do trade him (or have to trade him), it's unlikely you'll be able to replace him with an upper-echelon UFA like Bertuzzi or Barbashev. You'll need to go bargain shopping for guys like Fast, Nyquist, Tatar, etc, or get a lesser guy back via trade (i.e. Mantha, Henrique, etc).
 
StrakaCorvoHoffman said:
Hoffman could probably be had for a song as a temp fill in if Debrincat is gone and could probably bounce back for 20g.
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This team needs hard players not soft ones. Hard Pass.

DaveMatthew said:
I'm not sure that overpaying (and we'd have to overpay to get anyone to come here) a guy like Bertuzzi through his 28-35 year old seasons would be a better option than overpaying Debrincat through his 25-32 year old seasons.

Even with limited landing spots, Ottawa will always rank towards the bottom of the list for UFAs (unless we establish a culture of consistent winning, but that's a ways away, if it ever happens). For this team, a bird in hand really is worth two in the bush.

I'm not saying give Debrincat a blank cheque, but if you can get him for 6-8 years at $8M per, that's likely the best option.

If you do trade him (or have to trade him), it's unlikely you'll be able to replace him with an upper-echelon UFA like Bertuzzi or Barbashev. You'll need to go bargain shopping for guys like Fast, Nyquist, Tatar, etc, or get a lesser guy back via trade (i.e. Mantha, Henrique, etc).
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Id rather have Barbashev at 5.5 million for 5 years than Debrincat for 8X8. There really arent many competitive teams that can out bid ottawa. How many have a guaranteed top 6 spot as well?... Is it more appealing to go to Detroit, St Louis, Buffalo, Winnipeg or Ottawa? Those are the teams with cap space who are competitive. Outside of Carolina who I think is going to try and look for something higher end that can create more offense.
 
bert said:
Id rather have Barbashev at 5.5 million for 5 years than Debrincat for 8X8. There really arent many competitive teams that can out bid ottawa. How many have a guaranteed top 6 spot as well?... Is it more appealing to go to Detroit, St Louis, Buffalo, Winnipeg or Ottawa? Those are the teams with cap space who are competitive. Outside of Carolina who I think is going to try and look for something higher end that can create more offense.
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Every year, good teams create cap space. Vegas could trade Martinez (1 year left at 5.25M) to San Jose or Anaheim (neither team will likely be on his limited NTC) – or he could retire after winning a 3rd cup – and boom, they can re-sign Barbashev at 5.5M per.

There or other teams as well.

Landeskog may never play again, so Colorado will likely be in the mix for a Barbashev or Bertuzzi.
Chicago may start being aggressive to bring in some quality around Bedard.
It doesn't sound like Nashville wants to do a full rebuild, and they'll have some cap room to play with.
Carolina is a great place to play and live, with lots of space available.
Anaheim may think Fantilli is the last piece of their youth movement and may start signing guys.

Point is, Ottawa probably won't be in the mix for a guy coming off a PPG performance during a Stanley Cup run.

Besides, 5.5M in Ottawa is ~4.25M in Vegas. A 5.5M offer from the Sens would be very easy for Vegas to beat. If you want Barbashev to think about it, you probably have to go 7 years and the AAV needs a 6 at the beginning.

It may be the right move to trade ADB, depending on his ask. Or we may have to trade him. But we better get someone back in the trade who can replace some of his production, because we won't be able to fill the hole via UFA.
 
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bert said:
This team needs hard players not soft ones. Hard Pass.
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We did fine with him as a prime player previously, just depends on roster construction with that sort of player.

But yes, his time has passed and of course its not gonna happen either way. Was mostly saying it as a joke.
 
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StrakaCorvoHoffman said:
Hoffman could probably be had for a song as a temp fill in if Debrincat is gone and could probably bounce back for 20g.
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Hoffman is just about done and a world class asshat to boot.
 
StrakaCorvoHoffman said:
I've gone ahead and added the sarcasm smiley


Agreed on the former. Never heard anything in reference to the latter though. Just came off as a really quiet guy to me, which I've always gravitated to over the rah rah types.
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I seem to remember a lot of talk about him thinking he was star and treating people like he was above them. I believe he was referred to as an arrogant douche.

Maybe I'm thinking of someone else. My memory ain't what it used to be.
 
Alf Silfversson said:
I seem to remember a lot of talk about him thinking he was star and treating people like he was above them. I believe he was referred to as an arrogant douche.

Maybe I'm thinking of someone else. My memory ain't what it used to be.
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Lol, very well could have been. He was a big star in Junior and played with flash, so he would fit the mold. I just don't remember anything specific other than the Karlsson stuff, which was more strange than anything.
 
I'd understand why Dorion might need to wait for new ownership in order to offer ADB a contract. But that doesn't seem to be the case. It sounds like he's fully able to offer an extension.

I don't understand why Debrincat needs to see who the owner is before he re-signs. Does it really matter if it's Andlauer or Kimel or Astopolopolous? How would that impact a player?

Sounds like a "soft" way of communicating that he has no interest in staying.

Another one bites the dust.
 
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I'd like Barbashev and Connor Brown/Miles Wood/Eric Haula. I'd consider Athanasaiou for the 3rd line as well.

Tatar would be considered top 6 imo at least a tweener. 2 good tweeners would be ok

Punt Joseph all together or play his overpaid ass on the 4th line. I'd like to see us get a little tougher on the 4th line.. which would mean punt

I think Bertuzzi will get overpaid. OK for a playoff team .... vs 1 that will fight to get in.

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DaveMatthew said:
I'd understand why Dorion might need to wait for new ownership in order to offer ADB a contract. But that doesn't seem to be the case. It sounds like he's fully able to offer an extension.

I don't understand why Debrincat needs to see who the owner is before he re-signs. Does it really matter if it's Andlauer or Kimel or Astopolopolous? How would that impact a player?

Sounds like a "soft" way of communicating that he has no interest in staying.

Another one bites the dust.
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If so and we can replace him with 2 harder to play against 200 foot players 2/3 line wingers I think the team benefits.
 
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That was always going to happen. We will start to hear rumblings of a trade the first week of June, then he'll be dealt on draft day. Could see that from 100 miles away.
 
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I don't get what the news here that prompted that article.

It doesn't say if Debrincat has indicated he wants to stay or not.

Senators doing its due diligence in seeing the value of their player in the case he doesn't want to stay isn't really news. Wasn't that always going to be the case?
 
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