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Player Discussion Alex DeBrincat

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Gil Gunderson said:
Some of the offers other fans are tabling really suck. If the market isn't very good, we're probably better off signing him for a year and hoping something gets done before the deadline.
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Which would suck because he isn't being dealt if they're meeting their goals of getting in a playoff spot. So if he is traded at the deadline, it means the team failed.
 
Dorion needs to be shown the door if Debrincat gets dealt and the return is mediocre. That will mean that two years in a row, top 10 picks were completely wasted
 
If Dorion was smart, he'd publicly say that unless he receives an offer that will make the team better next season, he's happy to take DeBrincat to arbitration and have him here next season. Stress that the playoffs are the goal and a deal for futures doesn't help but a motivated player headed for UFA would help.

Dorion can always change his mind if he lands some help when free agent season starts but if he can't bring in a player like Barbashev or DeBrusk then he still has a second line top 6 winger.

Assen na yo!
 
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Gil Gunderson said:


Two top 10 picks in a row and we end up with Boucher and probably a late 1st tounder.
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DeBrincat's one-timer snapshot is how he scored so many goals with Chicago, but obviously he wasn't going to get as many perfect set-ups as he did playing with Kane.

Was shocked watching his highlights how much Kane factored into DeBrincat's goal totals last year on absolutely perfect passes.
 
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My sense (literally my sense based on nothing tangible) is that Cat is less concerned about the new owners but to whether that leads to coaching changes. As we won’t know by the draft, tough spot if true.

On the other hand, I know nothing.
 
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Bjornar Moxnes said:
we legit should have went for Fiala, or just stayed pat, waited for the opportunity to sign Burakovsky and/or trade for Bjorkstrand.
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We shouldn't have went for Fiala or DeBrincat.

With Giroux wanting to come home to Ottawa there wasn't a need to spend another 8M on another top line forward, given all the other issues with the Sens lineup.

Bjorkstrand would have ben fine. Could have just kept Brown instead of dealing him as well.

Gil Gunderson said:
Some of the offers other fans are tabling really suck. If the market isn't very good, we're probably better off signing him for a year and hoping something gets done before the deadline.
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The market should be pretty good actually given how awful the free agent forward market is this year.

If teams want a top 6 scorer that is young enough to fit into their team's future, the UFA options are Barbashev and Bertuzzi - that's it.

Should be able to get the usual package of a decent young player, B/C prospect and a 1st from some team.
 
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Unless you get a crazy offer, bring him back on the one year QO. Think Debrincat will sign long term with new owners
 
Butchy Dakkar said:
My sense (literally my sense based on nothing tangible) is that Cat is less concerned about the new owners but to whether that leads to coaching changes. As we won’t know by the draft, tough spot if true.

On the other hand, I know nothing.
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If DeBrincat is only signing her on the contingency that DJ Smith is fired, when the rest of the significant core pieces have all sung DJ's praises (specifically captain Tkachuk and best player Stützle) then maybe he isn't really a good fit for the team.
 
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Erik Alfredsson said:
If DeBrincat is only signing her on the contingency that DJ Smith is fired, when the rest of the significant core pieces have all sung DJ's praises (specifically captain Tkachuk and best player Stützle) then maybe he isn't really a good fit for the team.
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The rest of the core don't know any other coach as DJ has been their only coach. Respectively they don't know winning hockey at the NHL level and they have only been exposed to DJ Smith coaching. They simply don't know any better and can't compare it to anything else at this level.

They love DJ because he lets them do whatever they want and they face no consequences when they don’t play any defense, lose their assignments, don’t back check, get caught cherry picking, turning the puck over, staying on the ice for too long etc.
 
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Hale The Villain said:
We shouldn't have went for Fiala or DeBrincat.

With Giroux wanting to come home to Ottawa there wasn't a need to spend another 8M on another top line forward, given all the other issues with the Sens lineup.

Bjorkstrand would have ben fine. Could have just kept Brown instead of dealing him as well.



The market should be pretty good actually given how awful the free agent forward market is this year.

If teams want a top 6 scorer that is young enough to fit into their team's future, the UFA options are Barbashev and Bertuzzi - that's it.

Should be able to get the usual package of a decent young player, B/C prospect and a 1st from some team.
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If I go back to last year will I find a post from you saying not to sign DBC?
 
Joeyjoejoe said:
The rest of the core don't know any other coach as DJ has been their only coach. Respectively they don't know winning hockey at the NHL level and they have only been exposed to DJ Smith coaching. They simply don't know any better and can't compare it to anything else at this level.

They love DJ because he lets them do whatever they want and they face no consequences when they don’t play any defense, lose their assignments, don’t back check, get caught cherry picking, turning the puck over, staying on the ice for too long etc.
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And DeBrincat has made the playoffs once in his entire career (in a season where they were going to miss by a mile had covid not paused the season and given them an opportunity to play in the bubble), so he's an expert on winning I guess.
 
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DaveMatthew said:
I'm not sure that overpaying (and we'd have to overpay to get anyone to come here) a guy like Bertuzzi through his 28-35 year old seasons would be a better option than overpaying Debrincat through his 25-32 year old seasons.

Even with limited landing spots, Ottawa will always rank towards the bottom of the list for UFAs (unless we establish a culture of consistent winning, but that's a ways away, if it ever happens). For this team, a bird in hand really is worth two in the bush.

I'm not saying give Debrincat a blank cheque, but if you can get him for 6-8 years at $8M per, that's likely the best option.

If you do trade him (or have to trade him), it's unlikely you'll be able to replace him with an upper-echelon UFA like Bertuzzi or Barbashev. You'll need to go bargain shopping for guys like Fast, Nyquist, Tatar, etc, or get a lesser guy back via trade (i.e. Mantha, Henrique, etc).
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This is the way to be honest. We have to gamble like this because the only way we get guys to sign here is if they come here and discover that they enjoy it, or they are familiar with the area.

Brady and the boys are making the team super fun to be around, and the coaching staff is player friendly by all accounts, and Ottawa is a family friendly city. Guys need to be traded here though to find all that out.

Wont work all the time, but most guys have nothing but great things to say about the city when they are forced to give it a shot… Gotta try and sign DBC long term.
 
Ouroboros said:
This is going to be really interesting to watch play out. Dorion is in a really difficult negotiating position here - teams have to know that DeBrincat has no interest in being in Ottawa, he's coming off a down season, and he's in a very team-unfriendly contract situation. I think the trade return could be a whole lot less than people are hoping/expecting.

I think if Dorion can get a depth winger [Kubalik, Blais, Tanev] and a 1st he will have done fairly well.

Probably going to have to try to land a UFA winger as well. Gotta target guys that can score at EV, we have no need for any more PP merchants.
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Yeah but this is why we would QO him and then arb him, and then trade him atvthe deadline or in the season if the deals suck right now.

The bonus for the other team is they get his offence all season to help them, plus he is integrated for their presumable playoff push.

Even a guy like Chychrun returned a decent return and we knew he was available for the whole summer and season.

Shitty, but if he won’t sign then you still have to make sure the return is good, and we do have time to make that happen.

Tranquilo Naito said:
If Dorion was smart, he'd publicly say that unless he receives an offer that will make the team better next season, he's happy to take DeBrincat to arbitration and have him here next season. Stress that the playoffs are the goal and a deal for futures doesn't help but a motivated player headed for UFA would help.

Dorion can always change his mind if he lands some help when free agent season starts but if he can't bring in a player like Barbashev or DeBrusk then he still has a second line top 6 winger.

Assen na yo!
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He already said that this was an option in his last interview.
 
I feel like he'll be traded for a quantity rather than quality. Pierre will see Norris coming back to take Cat's goals, and he has said the bottom 6 needs to improve. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 3rd liner plus a good pick coming back.

There's going to be a gaping hole on that 2LW spot though. Maybe Greig can fill it but again...that's probably asking a lot of a rookie for a team contending for the playoffs.

I hope Dorion isn't the one to make the call on Cat. I'd rather see him qualified, see what happens over the summer and let the new team make the call. I don't see a huge deal with letting the draft pass by. Any pick we get would be late 1st anyway.
 
StrakaCorvoHoffman said:
Which would suck because he isn't being dealt if they're meeting their goals of getting in a playoff spot. So if he is traded at the deadline, it means the team failed.
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Meh I don't care about the optics. It feels you always get better value out of a trade at the deadline vs the summer.

Maybe Debrincat gets sold on the team when they are in a playoff spot and the vibes are good and re-ups? If not thats fine move him at 50% and get a first rounder and a good prospect and replace him with a downgrade from another team. If we are are in a playoff spot its going to be because of Timmy and Brady making guys like him look good and not vice versa.
 
Ice-Tray said:
Yeah but this is why we would QO him and then arb him, and then trade him atvthe deadline or in the season if the deals suck right now.

The bonus for the other team is they get his offence all season to help them, plus he is integrated for their presumable playoff push.

Even a guy like Chychrun returned a decent return and we knew he was available for the whole summer and season.

Shitty, but if he won’t sign then you still have to make sure the return is good, and we do have time to make that happen.
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I don't see that bringing DeBrincat back on a 1-year deal really benefits the Senators. You're just creating a situation where you likely watch him walk for nothing.

Ottawa should not be in a position to sell players at next season's deadline - there is no way a probable bubble team trying to snap a six year playoff drought should be doing that. Even if they were willing to deal him, you're stuck getting a standard futures package for a rental [1st, 3rd, mediocre prospect type deal]. Contenders won't touch their roster at the deadline which is bad because we need an NHL body coming back.

He has to go in the next ~3 weeks. Dorion can get a deal that better fits our needs, plus he gets more cap space to address other issues.
 
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