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Alec Martinez Extension Talk

One of Richards' or Voynov will have to be moved.

Look at those numbers and which names and salary sticks out the most...the 5.75 in the bottom six...or the over 19 million in the top 4 D-men.

Look at positons too on the bottom 6...Andreoff is a LW/C. Shore is a C. Sabourin and Nolan are RW's. Clifford is a LW.

I would think...

King-Richards'-Lewis
Clifford-Shore-Nolan/Sabourin

Or Kings can deal Clifford and let Andreoff take his spot. Nolan can be replaced by Sabourin. That saves some cash.

But the real issue is the #3 center spot. Do you re-sign Stoll knowing he will take less than Richards' and on shorter term or deal Richards'...

I would personally like to see...

King-Stoll/Richards'-Lewis
Andreoff-Shore-Sabourin

Might as well add some youth to a bottom 6 that hasn't really produced over the past 5 years.
 
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2015-16 Armchair GMing 1.0

Cap ceiling $72 million.
Richards dealt for draft pick. Regehr leaves as UFA.
Nolan, Weal dealt for draft picks (or sweeteners if necessary in Richards deal).
6 year, $4.1 million AAV contract to Williams (6, 5, 4, 3.5, 3.1, 3).
3 year, $2.7 million AAV contract to Stoll (3, 2.7, 2.4).
2 years, $3 million AAV contract to Toffoli (guessing he ends up around 53 points).
2 years, $2.25 million AAV contract to Pearson (guessing he ends up around 36-37 points but with 20+ goals).
1 year, $1.3 million contract for Martin Jones.
1 year, qualifying contracts for Clifford (1.2) and Andreoff (0.605).
2 year, $700,000 AAV, one-way contract for Shore (similar to McNabb contract; AAV lesss than QO, but one-way contract).
1 year, $575,000 one way contract for Dowd (again, similar to McNabb contract).

If estimates are off and end up with less space than anticipated (i.e. Toffoli, Pearson, Stoll earn higher AAV, cap ceiling less than 72 million, etc.), could do 1
or more of following to create space: 1) trade Jones and go with Berube as backup; 2) go with 13 forwards as opposed to 14 forwards; 3) trade Greene and use
Weal/Nolan to obtain cheap defenseman (i.e. Nolan for Boston's Miller); 4) let Stoll go and keep Weal (less likely; don't think Sutter would let go of 2 veteran
centers in 1 offseason).

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Marian Gaborik ($4.875m) / Anze Kopitar ($6.800m) / Justin Williams ($4.100m)
Tanner Pearson ($2.250m) / Jeff Carter ($5.273m) / Tyler Toffoli ($3.000m)
Dwight King ($1.950m) / Jarret Stoll ($2.700m) / Dustin Brown ($5.875m)
Kyle Clifford ($1.200m) / Nick Shore ($0.700m) / Trevor Lewis ($1.525m)
Andy Andreoff ($0.605m) / Nic Dowd ($0.575m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Jake Muzzin ($4.000m) / Drew Doughty ($7.000m)
Brayden McNabb ($0.650m) / Slava Voynov ($4.167m)
Alec Martinez ($4.000m) / Matt Greene ($2.500m)
Jeff Schultz ($0.850m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Quick ($5.800m)
Martin Jones ($1.300m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2015-16)
SALARY CAP: $72,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $71,694,394; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $305,606
 
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MsWoof said:
I was expecting way more than 4 so I am thrilled with this! OMG look at what Philly gave Streit and MacDonald and they are also USA years and older!
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Homer's legacy lives on...and on...everytime I look on Capgeek and see the $$$$ next to the inept slow low IQ flyers D...and AMAc at 5 M...thru 2020...brutal. Streit and AMac getting over 10 M between the 2 of them and Isles fans still laughing.

Early and well earned Christmas gift for AMart. Huge fan of his game and good to see that done, he doesn't have that worry hanging over him. I'm guessing DL will try to get TT and TP done next with 2 yr bridge deals just south of 3M each.
 
go4hockey said:
This thinking make no sense at all. If he is not guilty then he stays and our defense is loaded. He is way to good a defenseman at his cap hit to overreact and move him. All just fan speculation. IN DEAN I TRUST!!!!!!!
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Dude, this has NOTHING to do with his case! :rant: It was all about cap space in the offseason. Something is going to have to happen with either Voynov or Richards to get the cap space we need if the cap doesn't go up! Stop thinking that it's about the case :shakehead:help:
 
KingsOfCali25 said:
Dude, this has NOTHING to do with his case! :rant: It was all about cap space in the offseason. Something is going to have to happen with either Voynov or Richards to get the cap space we need if the cap doesn't go up! Stop thinking that it's about the case :shakehead:help:
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How is it about cap when absolutely none of us have any idea what the cap will be. Sit back enjoy our great team and let the rest fall into place in the off season. If your looking to move money for cap sake you don't move guys on good contracts with good cap hits. :shakehead
 
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Toews+Kane+Seabrook+Keith= $32.3M/yr.
Kopitar+Gaborik+Carter+Martinez+Muzzin+Doughty= $32M/yr. #LAKings #InDeanWeTrust @capgeek @mayorNHL
 
500k per year more than I thought the Kings would offer (cap hit wise).

Still a good deal provided A-Mart maintains this play, and can handle the increase in minutes consistently.

As far as the cap goes, some of you are worried about cap problems that are nonexistent.
 
go4hockey said:
How is it about cap when absolutely none of us have any idea what the cap will be. Sit back enjoy our great team and let the rest fall into place in the off season. If your looking to move money for cap sake you don't move guys on good contracts with good cap hits. :shakehead
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I'm glad but I know something is going to have to happen from this signing. Everyone is in win now mode, and I'm thinking about winning forever mode. My real life job is to look at the future of things and make deals not just the present, so it's just how I operate. So I see the future problems that can come with a deal like this.
 
Martyros said:
Matt Niskanen is FAR from terrible. He is probably Washington's best dman at the moment.

Orpik on the other hand, with that contract......
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You're right, I think he is overpaid, but he is a good player. I forgot that I changed my title from overpaid to terrible and got caught up with it.

But yeah, Orpik... yikes.
 
deeshamrock said:
No, that's far from the only optoin to get cap space. The roster next year will be predicated upon what DL feels is the best group going forward to SC contenders for the near future. A part of that, a large part of that, is leadership and a warrior mentality when the money is on line in the playoffs and the mental toughness to thrive in pressure in a long series, a game 7 or OT. Richards has that pedigree going all the way bck to Juniors and it's not something you can teach, you either have it or you don't. DL knows this group, he knows the leaders in that room and as Jack Ferreria pointed out in an interview, DL always projects (and has a board for it) into the future. HOckey is a business and his job it be put the best team on ice within the financial constraints tied to the annual CAP (which in the last couple days has been rumored to be heading north again, which is good)

Richards and Voynov are not the only 2 options for DL. Richards isn't being traded, DL values him too much and this teams success is tied to his contributions. He's a smarter and more dangerous player than Stoll and a good insurance policy if Kopitar or Carter get hurt, he can step up and man a top 6 line, Stoll can't, How far do you think the Kings would get in a playoff series with SToll centering the top line?
and Richards is younger, he's the better value for the money for the next few years.
Right now, the Kings have 8.8 of the Cap stays at 69M.
I am assuming RR is gone and that 3 M gets added to the pot, bringing it to 11.8
Nolan isn't likely to be resigned, I don't think he'll be here by the deadline and that's another 700K now you're at 12.5 roughly.
I don't think Stoll is resigned so that 3.2 back in the pot brining the total to about 16M
King or Clifford, one not both, will remain. Clifford has more upside and GM's are calling about King, he could go before or at the deadline, if he does that another 1.95*
Speculating
JOnes 1.25
TT 3
TP 3
(or the 2 combining for 6 2.75 and 3.25 ..>)
JW 4.75
Shore and Weal will get minimal increases

That 16M is enough to sign the remaining players. And that's if it stays at 69. The quotes from the NHL front office in the last few days indicated that it will go up. So there might be more wiggle room. They said they'll know more or at least have a rough idea after the GM winter meetings in january

DL knows that the competition to get to that hockey Holy Grail gets tougher every year and I'm sure he's looking to improve the team and I can see him making a move by the deadline . There was a few rumors last week that whatever conversation he had with the Oilers merited a call back from them, and Perron and Petry were the names being tossed around.
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Sorry but that is wrong! The Kings have $8.8m with Regehr, Stoll, Williams and the RFAs already off the cap. Meaning we only have $9m to sign the RFA and spot fillers for the 3 UFA and not $16m. :shakehead

The Kings have $8.8m with only:

Kopitar
Gaborik
Carter
Brown
Richards
Lewis
King
Muzzin
Doughty
Voynov
Martinez
Greene
McNabb
Quick

Signed for next year.

That means the Kings have to sign 8-9 players for less than $9m.
 
Nobody on the team is due a healthy raise. Kopitar's next contract won't even kick in till 2016-17.
 
KingsOfCali25 said:
Sorry but that is wrong! The Kings have $8.8m with Regehr, Stoll, Williams and the RFAs already off the cap. Meaning we only have $9m to sign the RFA and spot fillers for the 3 UFA and not $16m. :shakehead

The Kings have $8.8m with only:

Kopitar
Gaborik
Carter
Brown
Richards
Lewis
King
Muzzin
Doughty
Voynov
Martinez
Greene
McNabb
Quick

Signed for next year.

That means the Kings have to sign 8-9 players for less than $9m.
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Your projection is with a zero cap increase.
 
KingsOfCali25 said:
Sorry but that is wrong! The Kings have $8.8m with Regehr, Stoll, Williams and the RFAs already off the cap. Meaning we only have $9m to sign the RFA and spot fillers for the 3 UFA and not $16m. :shakehead

The Kings have $8.8m with only:

Kopitar
Gaborik
Carter
Brown
Richards
Lewis
King
Muzzin
Doughty
Voynov
Martinez
Greene
McNabb
Quick

Signed for next year.

That means the Kings have to sign 8-9 players for less than $9m.
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So, in your estimation, the cap isn't going up at all? Also, this is where development comes into it. Something the Kings have over pretty much every team in the league. Take note Edmonton.
 
KingsOfCali25 said:
I only see this offseason as problematic. Everything else should be fine until doughty and Voynov are due for another payday.
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It's not a problem till it is.

People said the same thing last year, and the year before that.

The only player(of worth) the Kings have lost due to a cap crunch is Willie Mitchell.

Not bad Lombardi, not bad.

May lose RR/Stoll, anyone really going to miss those guys ? Really ?

Williams would sting, but people will get over it.
 
damacles1156 said:
Your projection is with a zero cap increase.
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Yes, but that person was saying that the Kings would have $16m even if the cap stayed at $69m. Which is completely wrong. If the cap only goes up to $70m-$71m the Kings will have trouble. if it goes up to $73m, the king might be able to sign all the important RFAs and maybe Williams.
 
KingsOfCali25 said:
Yes, but that person was saying that the Kings would have $16m even if the cap stayed at $69m. Which is completely wrong. If the cap only goes up to $70m-$71m the Kings will have trouble. if it goes up to $73m, the king might be able to sign all the important RFAs and maybe Williams.
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I have faith in Dean to get it done. He's proven it over the last couple years, only losing Mitchell due to cap restraints. Losing only 1 player due to cap restraints from a two time Stanley Cup champ? Yeah, Dean will make it work.
 
KingsOfCali25 said:
Sorry but that is wrong! The Kings have $8.8m with Regehr, Stoll, Williams and the RFAs already off the cap. Meaning we only have $9m to sign the RFA and spot fillers for the 3 UFA and not $16m. :shakehead

The Kings have $8.8m with only:

Kopitar
Gaborik
Carter
Brown
Richards
Lewis
King
Muzzin
Doughty
Voynov
Martinez
Greene
McNabb
Quick

Signed for next year.

That means the Kings have to sign 8-9 players for less than $9m.
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Bad math skills, my bad. Sorry about that LOL.
But all those players won't be resigned and DL will keep those who he feels are crucial for continued success.
They need about 13 M and depending on what moves DL makes and how much the CAp does increase, it won't be easy but I think DL keep his solid foundation.

I'm sure a lot of GM's are numbers crucnching...
 
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