Rumor: Adrian Dater - Sakic looking to add a C with a bit of term and Goalie insurance- Mentions JT Miller

[John Mandalorian]

Yea...I don't get this take at all. First of all, Newhook shouldn't be included in any deal unless it's basically a more developed version of Newhook on a long-term contract. Second, why does an upcoming UFA Hertl make sense, but Miller signed for an additional year not make sense? I would love to hear the mental gymnastics required to justify that take.

It makes sense because Hertl has a list of 3 teams he's willing to be traded to. If the Avs are one of those teams, it's a fairly safe to assume they might have a good shot at re-signing him.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

It makes sense because Hertl has a list of 3 teams he's willing to be traded to. If the Avs are one of those teams, it's a fairy safe to assume they might have a good shot at re-signing him.

With what money? He's probably going to be asking for 7-8/year, the Avs are already going to have about 55 million dollars committed to next years cap and will need to sign an entire 2nd line, most of a 3rd line, 1-2 defensemen, a starting goalie and a backup goalie. If they sign Hertl they've got about 19 million to cover those needs, which means the team isn't going to look good.

I'd be all for acquiring Hertl, but it would be silly and shortsighted for the Avs to give up Newhook to get him. They need Newhook to step into a more significant role next year as he will still be on his ELC.

 

[John Mandalorian]

With what money? He's probably going to be asking for 7-8/year, the Avs are already going to have about 55 million dollars committed to next years cap and will need to sign an entire 2nd line, most of a 3rd line, 1-2 defensemen, a starting goalie and a backup goalie. If they sign Hertl they've got about 19 million to cover those needs, which means the team isn't going to look good.

I'd be all for acquiring Hertl, but it would be silly and shortsighted for the Avs to give up Newhook to get him. They need Newhook to step into a more significant role next year as he will still be on his ELC.

Kadri and Burakovsky make over 9 million combined.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Kadri and Burakovsky make over 9 million combined.

Yea, so they'll cover Hertl...now you need to find someone to replace Burakovsky, as well as Newhook (since you would've traded him in that deal for Hertl).

 

[The Abusement Park]

Absolutely does.

I disagree. Miller is every bit as good as Hertl and has an extra year. Moving Newhook for Hertl but not Miller is a really weird POV.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Yea, so they'll cover Hertl...now you need to find someone to replace Burakovsky, as well as Newhook (since you would've traded him in that deal for Hertl).

Correct.

 

[Flan the incredible]

Good luck finding a PPG forward at 2.6M (after Canucks retain) that can play all forward positions, PP and Pk. Nevermind that 2.6M will be prorated so you will have cap even after this trade to trade for more players at the TDL.

Thats great and all but the price has to be right which according to Canucks fans is way too high.

I hope the Canucks climb back into the race and trade for Larkin 50% retained for Pods and 2 first round picks so we can see how Canucks fans like that value. Your board would lose their mind.

 

[dbaz]

Thats great and all but the price has to be right which according to Canucks fans is way too high.

I hope the Canucks climb back into the race and trade for Larkin 50% retained for Pods and 2 first round picks so we can see how Canucks fans like that value. Your board would lose their mind.

if the canucks were as close to a cup as the avs/had the prospects the avs did, i would consider that and probably do it.
consider a 1st and a prospect is the usual going price for decent/good upcoming ufa when trying to go on a run. 2 years @ 50%(with cap hit under 3mil) for basically 3 firsts? when you have the prospects coming up + losing kadri + upcoming new contracts. yes.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Gave up a lot for him and is Colorado not wanting to add a Goalie? Or has that subsided now and they think they can win the cup?

I agree they sort of overpaid for him, but I believe that was because the intention was to re-sign Grubauer for 5 years, and they got caught with their pants down a little bit when Seattle swooped in and offered the 6 year deal that he ended up signing. By the time the Kuemper trade went down, most of the available UFAs had already signed, and options were limited, so we had to include Timmins, who has potential but seemingly can't stay healthy. Overall, it wasn't great, but also wasn't really terrible. It certainly hasn't slowed the team down in the slightest.

And, as long as everyone stays healthy, the Avs have as good a chance as any of the other top teams. I think Sakic is just looking to add a halfway decent goalie in case of injuries in the playoffs. Our third string G right now is Justus Annunen, a 21 year old prospect just starting out in the AHL and he definitely needs more time. If we can get Halak for a mid round pick (4th?) around the TDL, I think he's a great choice for that role.

 

[Flan the incredible]

The ask has been around 2 1sts for Miller at full cap hit. Close to the same price you'd be paying for 2 rentals. Now name a 1 year rental as good as miller that you could get for a 1st?
So sure go ahead and trade the same 2 1sts for 1 yr each of a worse player rather than the better player that will get more time to figure out coach's systems and gel with the team.

I wonder what you think Miller would go for next year. 1 year left you think he'd only return a 1st if he continues being a ppg all situations forward? IMO if he's traded next season he brings back a 1st + 3rd minimum. Now you get 2 years of that so shouldnt it be 2 1sts + 2 3rds for cost at a minimum?

If the cost on Miller was only 2 1sts I'd take that and run as a contender. Even if my team shits the bed next season I can just trade Miller and get more than a 1st back next season. So my cost to acquire him as a rental for 1 year became less than a 1st.

The only time the ask for Miller is at 3 1sts is when there 50% ret.

Their is a significant difference between 2 1sts plus 2 3rds compared to 3 1sts in value. The Rangers used a 2nd in the 40s to move up 4 spots to take Miller only a few years ago. 3rd round picks aren't even in the same stratosphere as 1st round picks.

For instance would Canuck fans trade Pods plus 2 1st round picks for Larkinat 50%? The answer is no. The player doesn't have to be Larkin but I guarantee if you got back into the race and that was the price you wouldn't want a player similar to JT Miller for only a year and a half.

 

[Overrateprospects]

Nobody factors in the two players they are going to have to lose due to salary cap for basically nothing in order to fit in Eichel.
So add those two, say Smith and Dandonov to the trade. Everyone knows they are in trouble and will have to unload them with a potential kicker or two.

Yeah like when Tampa unloaded Johnson and Miller

 

[Flan the incredible]

if the canucks were as close to a cup as the avs/had the prospects the avs did, i would consider that and probably do it.
consider a 1st and a prospect is the usual going price for decent/good upcoming ufa when trying to go on a run. 2 years @ 50%(with cap hit under 3mil) for basically 3 firsts? when you have the prospects coming up + losing kadri + upcoming new contracts. yes.

Avs dont need scoring they need a top goalie. Plus if they are going to continue to compete they need those prospects to fill the holes coming up in the next few years. Trading newhook now and watching Kadri leave opens up an enormous hole they can't fill. If the Avs are spending assets it should be to fix a weakness not add to something they are the best in the league at.

 

[glenbuis]

I dunno. I like the Miller + Halak option but I think our strongest trade chip right now is Sam Girard and I don't think Vancouver needs a Sam Girard

A 1st round pick + Justin Barron is interesting, Barron has looked solid in brief time

what about a 3 way deal where miller heads to colorado, girard to montreal and toffoli , harris and a second to vancouver . colorado sends a second to vancouver as well .

 

[Peter Griffin]

what about a 3 way deal where miller heads to colorado, girard to montreal and toffoli , harris and a second to vancouver . colorado sends a second to vancouver as well .

Why wouldn’t Vancouver just keep the much better player in Miller?

 

[franste Perreault]

Really don’t think you know how to value players and read the market, not every player is a depreciated value
Supply and demand is the goalie market and I can’t speak to what Halaks worth is but it most certainly isn’t a 6th round pick
2nd-3rd likely

If you said I can't evaluate a player. You can't too Canucks will never have a 2nd for Halak. He's not supposed to be a first goalie so Never a gm will give a 2nd for a backup goalie with no term contract after this year. We will see for what he will be traded but more goalies will enter on market in a couples of weeks, halak value will fall.

 

[glenbuis]

Why wouldn’t Vancouver just keep the much better player in Miller?

i didn't put a lot of thought into it but i would assume the only way vancouver trades miller is if there falling out of the race . than they would be looking for a futures package. that would be two seconds , harris plus whatever they could flip toffoli for if they wanted to .(1st )

 

[Hierso]

i didn't put a lot of thought into it but i would assume the only way vancouver trades miller is if there falling out of the race . than they would be looking for a futures package. that would be two seconds , harris plus whatever they could flip toffoli for if they wanted to .(1st )

Harris to my knowledge is a small puck moving lefty d-man so i don't think Vancouver really needs him. I don't doubt that Vancouver would love to have Toffoli back, but i just don't see the value in flipping a player for more but lesser assets just to flip said assets again.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

i didn't put a lot of thought into it but i would assume the only way vancouver trades miller is if there falling out of the race . than they would be looking for a futures package. that would be two seconds , harris plus whatever they could flip toffoli for if they wanted to .(1st )

Lol what?

 

[AcerComputer]

Tavares can be had

 

[The Price is Right]

Christian Dvoark and Jake Allen for Sam Girard

 

[Peter Griffin]

Tavares can be had

His NMC says otherwise.

 

[glenbuis]

Lol what?

english is not your first language ?

 

[McJedi]

Adrian Dater is a drunk with past noise about sexual harassment. This guy is as much an insider as the clown Ekland.

 

[Peter Griffin]

i didn't put a lot of thought into it but i would assume the only way vancouver trades miller is if there falling out of the race . than they would be looking for a futures package. that would be two seconds , harris plus whatever they could flip toffoli for if they wanted to .(1st )

You’re right in that if the Canucks move Miller they’d be looking for futures but a couple 2nds and and longshot defensive prospect isn’t it. They wouldn’t want Toffoli back and I highly doubt he could be flipped for a 1st. I feel like your offer benefits Montreal more than the other two teams.

 

[glenbuis]

You’re right in that if the Canucks move Miller they’d be looking for futures but a couple 2nds and and longshot defensive prospect isn’t it. They wouldn’t want Toffoli back and I highly doubt he could be flipped for a 1st. I feel like your offer benefits Montreal more than the other two teams.

fair enough . just spitballing so to speak . big fan of miller though . could see why sakic wants him