Adam Larsson..

[devilsblood]

Lars and Greene should really benefit from these days off.

They played huge minutes vs opposing top lines every game.
It's not easy.

I think this has been overplayed. 22-23 mpg is not a ton, playing pk or against opposing top lines is not out of the ordinary for a top d pairing.

 

[Feed Me A Stray Cat]

I think this has been overplayed. 22-23 mpg is not a ton, playing pk or against opposing top lines is not out of the ordinary for a top d pairing.

Maybe, although when you combine that with their defensive zone usage I could see how someone can wear down.

Defensive zone play is tough on a defenseman. A lot of hits and board battles.

 

[Blender]

Maybe, although when you combine that with their defensive zone usage I could see how someone can wear down.

Defensive zone play is tough on a defenseman. A lot of hits and board battles.

I think this is much more important than the total minutes. They are being brutalized by zone starts and assignments, and we had a pretty busy schedule there for a couple weeks. Not surprised they had a couple shaky games as that can wear guys down.

 

[devilsblood]

I'd like to see DZ starts.

Lars and Greene are #1 and 2 in Pk minutes.

But Greene is 30th in the league in toi, Lars is 50th.

Sure they do some heavy lifting, but they are top pairing guys, that's what top pairing d-men do.

 

[Devilsfan992]

Update Larsson/Greene Graph:

Pretty crazy how there is so much correlation in this graph and then you got Larsson and Greene as the huge outliars.

http://war-on-ice.com/playertable.h...&end0=20152016&end1=2015-12-24&splitseasons=1

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I'd like to see DZ starts.

Lars and Greene are #1 and 2 in Pk minutes.

But Greene is 30th in the league in toi, Lars is 50th.

Sure they do some heavy lifting, but they are top pairing guys, that's what top pairing d-men do.

they were below 20% offensive zone starts as of about a week ago.

 

[devilsblood]

they were below 20% offensive zone starts as of about a week ago.

Ya, I knew they were real low, but I'd like to see how they compare to other top d-men in the league.

Again, not denying they do much of the devils dirty work. But I suspect many of the d-men in the league who play big minutes also get their share of d-zone starts as well.

 

[Devilsfan992]

Ya, I knew they were real low, but I'd like to see how they compare to other top d-men in the league.

Again, not denying they do much of the devils dirty work. But I suspect many of the d-men in the league who play big minutes also get their share of d-zone starts as well.

Check my post a few post up. Customize it however you want, but they are used in similar roles as guys like Mitchell, Girardi, Grossman etc however they dominate these guys in SA/60.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

here you go:

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...50&teamid=0&type=corsi&sort=OZPCT&sortdir=ASC

Larsson at 19.7% and Greene at 19.3%, the 2 lowest in the league

 

[devilsblood]

Update Larsson/Greene Graph:

Pretty crazy how there is so much correlation in this graph and then you got Larsson and Greene as the huge outliars.

http://war-on-ice.com/playertable.h...&end0=20152016&end1=2015-12-24&splitseasons=1

Ha, I couldn't find them on the chart, didn't realize I had to scroll down.

If you are into advanced stats, you must be in love with that pairing.

 

[Devilsfan992]

Ha, I couldn't find them on the chart, didn't realize I had to scroll down.

If you are into advanced stats, you must be in love with that pairing.

That's the best part

 

[devilsblood]

Given Greene and Larsson are so darn good at shots against, can we surmise that they are especially proficient in terms of moving the puck out of the DZ?

If so it speaks volumes of their abilities, but perhaps downplays a little the amount of time they spend in their own zone.

I'm sure I could look at it myself, but who are our fwd's that most often get the DZ starts?

 

[luiginb]

He's been decent this year, and is one of the reasons why the Devils are doing so well. He's really good in his own end, but he hasn't developed any kind of offensive game. His only problem is his draft position, IMO you have to expect more from a 4th pick, but he didn't choose to be drafted that high. It was a really weak year for Dmen.

 

[Comparison Ford]

I think this has been overplayed. 22-23 mpg is not a ton, playing pk or against opposing top lines is not out of the ordinary for a top d pairing.

Imagining you lying on a couch, whilst you typed this out on a laptop makes it funnier.

 

[Devilsfan992]

He's been decent this year, and is one of the reasons why the Devils are doing so well. He's really good in his own end, but he hasn't developed any kind of offensive game. His only problem is his draft position, IMO you have to expect more from a 4th pick, but he didn't choose to be drafted that high. It was a really weak year for Dmen.

I'm interested if someone can post the correlation between 5v5 Points/60 vs 5v5 Percentage of Defensive Zone Starts and see where Larsson fits in.

His offensive totals looks much more egregious considering he starts in the DZO so often.

 

[MadDevil]

Given Greene and Larsson are so darn good at shots against, can we surmise that they are especially proficient in terms of moving the puck out of the DZ?

If so it speaks volumes of their abilities, but perhaps downplays a little the amount of time they spend in their own zone.

I'm sure I could look at it myself, but who are our fwd's that most often get the DZ starts?

Josefson, Tootoo, and Zajac lead the forwards in DZ starts. Zajac is obvious given that he's our best defensive center. The other two...yeah.

 

[Devilsfan992]

josefson, tootoo, and zajac lead the forwards in dz starts. Zajac is obvious given that he's our best defensive center. The other two...yeah.

tootoo?!?!?!

 

[devilsblood]

Imagining you lying on a couch, whilst you typed this out on a laptop makes it funnier.

That goes without saying for anyone typing on the internet. But Im not comparing them to myself, I'm comparing them to other top pairing d-men, and fact of the matter is Greene and Larsson do not play a ton of minutes.

They do play a lot of tough minutes, but I don't know if it's to the point where we need to be overly concerned about them wearing down.

 

[AfroThunder396]

Josefson isn't terrible defensively. I'd rather have him getting those minutes than forcing a guy like Henrique or Stempniak to pull double duty.

The workload issue may not be problematic now, but as we go deeper into the season it certainly will be. These things build up over time. I specifically remember in 2010 when Lemaire started giving Greene more icetime and an advanced role, he was spectacular through the first 30-40 games and then fell off a cliff after January due to exhaustion.

 

[Balance]

Josefson is not good defensively, he's too weak on the boards and all over the ice to be any good defensively.

 

[Blender]

Josefson is not good defensively, he's too weak on the boards and all over the ice to be any good defensively.

Josefson has been pretty strong along the boards this year. He appears to have bulked up quite a bit.

 

[Comparison Ford]

That goes without saying for anyone typing on the internet. But Im not comparing them to myself, I'm comparing them to other top pairing d-men, and fact of the matter is Greene and Larsson do not play a ton of minutes.

They do play a lot of tough minutes, but I don't know if it's to the point where we need to be overly concerned about them wearing down.

Fair enough, I was sitting on a couch while I typed it too.

 

[Kykke]

Josefson has been pretty strong along the boards this year. He appears to have bulked up quite a bit.

I guess he's all right physically but something is missing because he's not able to win many puck battles along the boards. Maybe he just don't have the skill set for that.

 

[Sykie]

Josefson is good defensively, come on, that's what keeps him in the league actually.

I like Larsson development. Pure Devils development. I was not so impressed in the past but fact is, he works on his defensive game and what better position to do that than beside Greene ? I think that's the best thing that could have happened to him.

 

[ItWasJustified]

He's been decent this year, and is one of the reasons why the Devils are doing so well. He's really good in his own end, but he hasn't developed any kind of offensive game. His only problem is his draft position, IMO you have to expect more from a 4th pick, but he didn't choose to be drafted that high. It was a really weak year for Dmen.

Larsson never was an offensive defensman. When/If Devils will be a competing team again, he will probably produce about 25-40 points in about 80 games I could imagine.