Player Discussion Adam Clendening

[Matz03]

because the best teams always give ice time to guys who didn't even skate in warmups?

can't wait for Clendening's NYR era to end

this glorification of a career 7th D, that 4 teams have sent away without regret, seems to me unearned and over-the-top

I was snarky and unfair, when before even seeing him play in Blue,
i compared him to Etem

but still seems to me, he is just another marginal NHL D, a Matt Gilroy type

TClendending is a former 2nd round pick, successful in college and tore up the AHL. He turned 24 a few weeks ago. He must be a journeyman because he couldn't stick as a 22 year old and was traded twice and picked off waivers from a D deep Anaheim team. It's a scientific fact 24 yo D are what they are and don't get better. All of the supporting stats that counter your point are garbage, obviously.

Too bad you pick such a bad example in Matt Gilroy to make your point. The only thing they have in common is attending BU.

 

[cwede]

ok, Matz, and Mac n Gs, you've clobbered me

with what is usually my argument, against prospect critics here,
that it's too soon to label the kid,

he's an NTDP product, not 25 yet, (is a 5th year pro) and he's shown promise, especially when given consistent icetime at BU and those 1st 2 years at Rockford,

I haven't been convinced with my own eyes yet,
but i will keep an open mind

in Gordie & Gorto we trust

 

[Matz03]

with what is usually my argument, against prospect critics here,
that it's too soon to label the kid,

I completely agree with this, it's a little too early to label him. Here in NYR he's been very good in the preseason and clearly drives possession. He's been totally fine on D too.

It's unfortunate because a player his age should be playing, sitting will only make him look bad when he gets plugged in, but all the D are healthy. He's not a Hunwick, who was in his late 20's and almost 300 NHL games under his belt, more ideal #7 D.

 

[McRanger]

He's been significantly better than Holden.

 

[Riche16]

The coach apparently doesn't see the potential that some see.

I would be playing him but hey, what do i know?

 

[Irishguy42]

The coach apparently doesn't see the potential that some see.

I would be playing him but hey, what do i know?

To play devil's advocate: AV wouldn't be the first coach to not see something in him.

 

[silverfish]

To play devil's advocate: AV wouldn't be the first coach to not see something in him.

Unfortunately right now for AV, there is no objective evidence that is negative enough against Clendening and positive enough for other players (G/Holden) where it warrants #4 being out of the lineup every night.

 

[Irishguy42]

Unfortunately right now for AV, there is no objective evidence that is negative enough against Clendening and positive enough for other players (G/Holden) where it warrants #4 being out of the lineup every night.

Oh I know. I was just throwing it out there.

 

[nyr2k2]

To play devil's advocate: AV wouldn't be the first coach to not see something in him.

The flipside of that is that he continues to find employment. If no one saw anything in him he wouldn't be in the league.

 

[Irishguy42]

The flipside of that is that he continues to find employment. If no one saw anything in him he wouldn't be in the league.

This is a fair counter-point.

 

[nyr2k2]

This is a fair counter-point.

The problem seems to be that there's SOMETHING there, but whatever he shows he doesn't show enough of to play regularly or to stick.

 

[eco's bones]

Mainly it's a trust issue. When he does play what kind of situations can he put in? Can they use him on the PK?--or protecting a one goal lead in the last 3-4 minutes of a game? Can he be outmatched easily by physical players in front of the net or along the walls? What happens when he's on the ice against elite or first or second line players? Does he blow up under pressure?

The six the Rangers are using all kill penalties--they're kind of all interchangeable in defensive situations such as protecting leads or penalty killing. Clendening is probably the weakest defensively of the entire group and the Rangers aren't exactly looking for offense at least right now. The coaching staff and this pretty much relates to AV and Beukeboom either know and/or trust the others more. Clendening's major advantage of puck moving and offensive skill has kind of been marginalized as McDonagh, Skjei and Pirri are getting a lot of power play minutes at the points and the power play has been pretty good.

 

[Raspewtin]

Clendening's major skill advantage of puck moving is marginalized because AV likes his defensemen to be talentless neanderthals, imo

 

[Machinehead]

And which four teams have let Clendening go?

Chicago, Edmonton, Pittsburgh, and Vancouver.

Two teams with suspect defense corps, and two teams who couldn't tell a defenseman from a ****ing banana. Not exactly the greatest example to follow.

 

[aufheben]

Clendening's major skill advantage of puck moving is marginalized because AV likes his defensemen to be talentless neanderthals, imo

Apparently when the Rangers are leading, Nick Holden gets the most ice-time

 

[Filthy Dangles]

http://www.corsica.hockey/highlights/

Change it to on ice goals against. The first 3 are all on him. Literally spit my drink out at that perry goal he caused.

I don't get the circle jerk for this guy. He's very suspect as an NHLer right now. It's almost like certain posters just stat watch and think he should be gifted a chance because of his shot %.

Teams winning games and playing good I wouldn't tinker with the lineup either. I'd actually trust Girardi and Holden more than this kid right now.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Clendening's major skill advantage of puck moving is marginalized because AV likes his defensemen to be talentless neanderthals, imo

This is essentially how I feel on the whole Clendening ordeal.

 

[Raspewtin]

http://www.corsica.hockey/highlights/

Change it to on ice goals against. The first 3 are all on him. Literally spit my drink out at that perry goal he caused.

I don't get the circle jerk for this guy. He's very suspect as an NHLer right now. It's almost like certain posters just stat watch and think he should be gifted a chance because of his shot %.

Teams winning games and playing good I wouldn't tinker with the lineup either. I'd actually trust Girardi and Holden more than this kid right now.

You trust a non-NHL'er over whom you describe as a suspect NHL'er?

ight.

Not even going to bite on you analyzing literally 3 goals and coming to such a conclusion either.

 

[Machinehead]

Alright if we're going to start analyzing single events, then I'm going to post the obligatory

 

[nyr2k2]

And which four teams have let Clendening go?

Chicago, Edmonton, Pittsburgh, and Vancouver.

Two teams with suspect defense corps, and two teams who couldn't tell a defenseman from a ****ing banana. Not exactly the greatest example to follow.

Well Chicago and Pittsburgh happen to be decent franchises, who have exoerienced some moderate success...

 

[Rangerfans]

He should be taking Girardi's spot.

Seriously.

AV is playing Girardi waaaay too much.

 

[Irishguy42]

At this rate, you only move Girardi somewhere else in the lineup.

You take Klein out for Clendo.

 

[Rangerfans]

At this rate, you only move Girardi somewhere else in the lineup.

You take Klein out for Clendo.

I have no problem with this.

But I do have a problem that Dan Girardi is getting the minutes again.

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2016/11/25/13741092/vigneault-returning-to-bad-habits-of-old

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

He should be taking Girardi's spot.

Seriously.

AV is playing Girardi waaaay too much.

Klein and Staal are worse this season than Girardi

 

[Irishguy42]

I have no problem with this.

But I do have a problem that Dan Girardi is getting the minutes again.

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2016/11/25/13741092/vigneault-returning-to-bad-habits-of-old

Yes, you can do both.