A win is a Win: Not really, but we'll take it 3-2

[kingsfan28]

I'm just glad this didn't turn out like the ducks game after those two missed breakaways. I had a sinking feeling after that then especially after we went down 3-2.

HOPing we show up big for the Penguins game, I feel like we always play like crap against them.

So did I. After the Habs 1st goal, then second, I thought this game resembles the Ducks game. William burned on a goal, Greene loses his guy, missed pp ops. But this game had 4 missed breakaways.

Glad we still got the 2 points, because if they'd lost this one it could have been absolutely crushing. Sutter was right about blowing the numerous chances to put the game away, it was right there for the taking, bordering on running them out of the building.

 

[KingsFan7824]

The Kings have not played well against the East at all this season.

On the road. 10-4-1 at home, although only 3-3-1 against the Metro.

 

[kingsholygrail]

40+ goalies have a better save percentage over the season and you want to argue about 1 game? Please.

I didn't know there were 40+ starters in the NHL.

 

[HookKing]

I didn't know there were 40+ starters in the NHL.

So you believe that there are only 30 goalies in the league?

 

[kingsholygrail]

So you believe that there are only 30 goalies in the league?

No. Quick's stats only matter when compared to other starters that are actually playing a decent workload. Not against scrubs riding a streak.

You'd take Hammond over Quick?

 

[ADifferentTim]

We kept choking away the lead just to claw back and win..

The Kings need to stop doing that. Seriously.

 

[Winger23]

Just don't agree at all. He got off to a great start to the season and has been mediocre to bad with an occasional good performance. His save % continues to circle the drain. Go ahead, have the last word.

Yes, he was off tonight but seriously, this sounds like a someone posting on the main boards. Sv % is such a piece of crap stat. It really is.

I'll have to look it up, but i believe over the first 15 games or so the kings were giving up a ton of shots (30+ a game if i remember) and his save % was at the top, or at least top 3 in the league. Kings now start playing a little D, give up under 25 shots a game on most nights (but prime scoring chances remain close to the same) and his save % takes a dive. It's such a high level statistic it doesn't really mean squat.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Bandit's PGT beat mine...

 

[Bee Sheriff]

MTL reminds me of the 2012 PHX Coyotes. They got Vezina goalie play out of Smith, Defense was ok, but not good. They could score on the counter attack at will it seemed like.

MTL looks the same.

Perfect analogy

 

[The Butcher]

Yes!!! Believe it there was a Dustin Brown sighting!!!!





Kings win and get more goals in the shootout then all year!!!!

I just spent the last half hour looking at Bigfoot videos.

 

[HookKing]

Yes, he was off tonight but seriously, this sounds like a someone posting on the main boards. Sv % is such a piece of crap stat. It really is.

I'll have to look it up, but i believe over the first 15 games or so the kings were giving up a ton of shots (30+ a game if i remember) and his save % was at the top, or at least top 3 in the league. Kings now start playing a little D, give up under 25 shots a game on most nights (but prime scoring chances remain close to the same) and his save % takes a dive. It's such a high level statistic it doesn't really mean squat.

His GAA is only marginally better. 34th overall.

 

[kingsfan28]

The chemistry between Carter and Toffoli is incredible and getting better with each shift. They are now starting to throw the puck into open space because they know the other one is going that way.

Yeah, you can see it just about every game. While King is filling in nicely, Pearson is still the better option, and you know the 3 of them know how to find eachother.

 

[Reclamation Project]

we're getting ever so close to March 9th... tea leaves tell me stuff, and they told me NOT GUILTY!

This puts a LOT into perspective.

Quick definitely hasn't been good this year. You can't defend him. I'm seriously wondering if that back is bothering him.

Or perhaps it's the defense constantly tipping pucks, running into him, and failing to cover their assignment? Can't be that.

na or else he wouldn't be able to do his circus acrobatics if that were the case

it's mostly the fact that he's been more aggressive than before, he goes down way too early and out of position...so many open nets caused by that; no way to recoup...whereas before you might have a Scuderi or Mitchell clearing the puck...Muzzin ain't gonna clear ****...

and furthermore, teams have taken notes on shooting high or notice how shooters wait for Quick to make that first move...once Quick makes that move, being the aggressive goalie he is, it's game over after that

we really need a new goalie coach to work with Quick on changing his positioning, like a Francois Allaire or Stephane Waite

Ah, good stuff. I remember hearing this crap after the first three games against San Jose. "Make lateral passes and hit the corner. He doesn't have an answer for it." Some knob made this big powerpoint with flowcharts and **** supporting it.

I'll trust Bill Ranford. His body of work while in LA speaks for itself.

 

[HookKing]

No. Quick's stats only matter when compared to other starters that are actually playing a decent workload. Not against scrubs riding a streak.

You'd take Hammond over Quick?

I suppose there must be some logic in this post but I am missing it. You want to count how many starters have better numbers than Quick? Even those on teams where defense isn't priority one?

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Save percentage is a more meaningful stat then any other metric we use to judge goaltenders.

Quick has had a couple good streaks this year but for the most part has been mediocre.

 

[kingsholygrail]

I suppose there must be some logic in this post but I am missing it. You want to count how many starters have better numbers than Quick? Even those on teams where defense isn't priority one?

I'm saying filter out the goalies that have barely played any games this season and you will have a number that isn't ridiculous.

 

[Winger23]

His GAA is only marginally better. 34th overall.

9th in wins....

Again, stats are subjective. Has he been as dominate as previous seasons? Of course not. if you are saying that this year there's at least 34 other goalies that are playing better than him this year I don't know what else to say.

 

[HookKing]

Sure thing. You're wrong. That's not an opinion.

He's trending up, even in save percentage, and has had many more good performances than bad lately. Sorry, that's just fact, grounded in the numbers you're using as evidence.

Other than tonight, I'd say he's looked much more confident and in control and has been seeing the puck better since the start of the 8 game winning streak.

But he did start off hot then tank hard midseason. You're just not giving him any credit for a recovery.

He's .905 in his last 5, that is trending down and that's a fact. Definitely not what you want to see when you're heading to the finish line out of a playoff spot. Moreover, he seems to be brainfarting more and more in handling the puck and we all know how that usually ends up.

 

[Reclamation Project]

You talk to ANY former goalie and they'll all say the same thing - Quick is of certain ilk. He needs sustained shots and steady action. When the Kings dominate play and have prolonged sustained offensive pressure, I start to worry. I don't know what happens with him, or to all other goalies, but something goes off. Tons of goalies have difficulty in low shot games. Look at Ryan Miller. He was very solid in Buffalo with their porous defense and then he goes to St. Louis and he's average at best. He went from consistently facing 40+ shots a night to 25-30 nightly. And those shots came in spurts which resulted in, you guessed it, long dry spells. Quick plays his best hockey when the Kings give up a ton of shots. He's had more than a few 40+ save shutouts in his career. A perfect example of this is Hasek. TWICE he had the best save percentage in the NHL while also facing the most shots/regulation. Certain goalies want to stay in that rhythm and face shots almost every minute. Quick is a rhythm goalie that's biggest strength is connecting saves off of rebounds and using his pure athleticism to make big time saves.

Isn't this basic knowledge?

 

[tsanuri]

Save percentage is a more meaningful stat then any other metric we use to judge goaltenders.

Quick has had a couple good streaks this year but for the most part has been mediocre.

SV% is a metric of how many shots you face. Most goalies at the NHL level will have a little more than a 2 GAA average. And it doesn't matter if you face 20 or 40 shots a game you'll average that just over 2 GAA. But your SV% is much higher when facing 40 shots.

 

[Winger23]

You talk to ANY former goalie and they'll all say the same thing - Quick is of certain ilk. He needs sustained shots and steady action. When the Kings dominate play and have prolonged sustained offensive pressure, I start to worry. I don't know what happens with him, or to all other goalies, but something goes off. Tons of goalies have difficulty in low shot games. Look at Ryan Miller. He was very solid in Buffalo with their porous defense and then he goes to St. Louis and he's average at best. He went from consistently facing 40+ shots a night to 25-30 nightly. And those shots came in spurts which resulted in, you guessed it, long dry spells. Quick plays his best hockey when the Kings give up a ton of shots. He's had more than a few 40+ save shutouts in his career. A perfect example of this is Hasek. TWICE he had the best save percentage in the NHL while also facing the most shots/regulation. Certain goalies want to stay in that rhythm and face shots almost every minute. Quick is a rhythm goalie that's biggest strength is connecting saves off of rebounds and using his pure athleticism to make big time saves.

Isn't this basic knowledge?

Not for some on this board it would seem.

Goalie A faces 20 shots, only gives up 2 break away goals, save % =90%
Goalie B faces 40 shots, gives up 3 soft goals, save % = 92.5%

I guess goalie B is better and having the better season since his save % is higher..

Again using save % in itself is totally useless.

 

[HookKing]

SV% is a metric of how many shots you face. Most goalies at the NHL level will have a little more than a 2 GAA average. And it doesn't matter if you face 20 or 40 shots a game you'll average that just over 2 GAA. But your SV% is much higher when facing 40 shots.

Except the Kings only see about 2 shots fewer per game that an average team. Not significant at all.

 

[eleventy]

Anyone else shocked at how many assists Muzzin and McNabb have quietly put up this year?

 

[Reclamation Project]

Not for some on this board it would seem.

Goalie A faces 20 shots, only gives up 2 break away goals, save % =90%
Goalie B faces 40 shots, gives up 3 soft goals, save % = 92.5%

I guess goalie B is better and having the better season since his save % is higher..

Again using save % in itself is totally useless.

I'm a HUGE proponent of all stats. I read them every day and track them. That being said, how many goals has Quick given up this year that were deflected off a Kings player stick, bounced off of someone's ass, or he was obstructed by a Kings player? Or some fluky play? I've counted a ton. The eye test says Quick has been about a 7-7.5/10 player this year. It's tough because we're used to 8.5-10/10 player, but the team has also been more sub-par than him. I'm not worried about Quick and never have been. The Quick posts are hilarious.

Anyone else shocked at how many assists Muzzin and McNabb have quietly put up this year?

Muzzin has always been an assist machine. McNabb has been a beast though. Really impressed with his development since joining the Kings. Dean, Futa, & Co. picked up another winner.

 

[tsanuri]

Except the Kings only see about 2 shots fewer per game that an average team. Not significant at all.

Those 2 shots just based off Quick's GAA and the 27.5 shots the Kings allow and the league average of 29.83 a game is a SV% of .909 and .915. So it does matter even with a small variance.