A win is a Win: Not really, but we'll take it 3-2

I now about 100% more about probability and statistics than you do. The Kings are competing against every other team's configuration of goaltending. The workload of other starters is irrelevant, all that matters is how good your configuration is relative to everyone else. DS has chosen to ride Quick hard and it hasn't worked that well this year (so far and with time running out). You don't get pity points for starting more games than the next guy. He is below average this year and looks to be tanking at a very inopportune time. Career average is irrelevant -- what matter is that career average for this year doesn't have the team in a playoff spot.

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I forget who it was against but Quick made a good save in the third when Montreal was up 3-2 and I thought it could prove as a momentum turning point.
Quick's save percentage is not elite but he makes the saves when he needs to.
 
Quick is 10-2 in his last 12 starts.

Quick was not sharp last night.

Usually the Kings aren't sharp and Quick has to be. Last night the Kings were on fire, had two brain farts, and Quick wasn't there to bail them out. I'm sure Habs fans will say they were just opportunistic. Quick will be the first to tell you that was not his shining hour.

Bandit is right. A win is a win, but not really. This team needs ROW's and they let one slip away last night.
 
Quick was not sharp last night.

LOL, none of those goals were on him. He had some great saves in that game...I have no idea how you can say he wasn't sharp last night, except for not waiting out those two shootout goals.
 
LOL, none of those goals were on him. He had some great saves in that game...I have no idea how you can say he wasn't sharp last night, except for not waiting out those two shootout goals.

I have no idea how you gave up on the team earlier this season, but you did. ;)

2 goals on 9 shots. Yes, we can explain both goals away easily, but you know and I know that Quick regularly makes saves at key times he has no business making. Those were key times. The Kings were DOMINATING and those 2 quick goals let the air out of the balloon.

They were both extremely tough shots to stop. Call it better rebound control, call it the need to make a circus save, but you can't have two goals on 9 shots (really 2 goals on 3 shots) when the team in front of you has been dominating play.
 
I have no idea how you gave up on the team earlier this season, but you did. ;)

Hmmm...just to be clear, I didn't give up on the team. I was pretty angry after the Florida game, but this has happened before (I had a similar reaction last season after losing three straight to ANA in round 2).

If anything, last season's resiliency in the playoffs taught me you should never give up on the Kings.

But I never do anyway. It's hockey. Anything can happen in a hockey game.
 
I have no idea how you gave up on the team earlier this season, but you did. ;)

2 goals on 9 shots. Yes, we can explain both goals away easily, but you know and I know that Quick regularly makes saves at key times he has no business making. Those were key times. The Kings were DOMINATING and those 2 quick goals let the air out of the balloon.

They were both extremely tough shots to stop. Call it better rebound control, call it the need to make a circus save, but you can't have two goals on 9 shots (really 2 goals on 3 shots) when the team in front of you has been dominating play.

That's pretty silly. So no matter how the goals were scored when the shot ratios are that one sided the goalie has to make the save no matter what?
 
Hmmm...just to be clear, I didn't give up on the team. I was pretty angry after the Florida game, but this has happened before (I had a similar reaction last season after losing three straight to ANA in round 2).

If anything, last season's resiliency in the playoffs taught me you should never give up on the Kings.

But I never do anyway. It's hockey. Anything can happen in a hockey game.

Pretty sure we all saw the white towel. :nod:
 
That's pretty silly. So no matter how the goals were scored when the shot ratios are that one sided the goalie has to make the save no matter what?

Quick gets rusty when he doesn't see much work. Most goalies do. Whether it's rebound control or making the second save - he does best when he sees a lot of rubber.

He did not have his best game last night, and he'd be the first to tell you that. Whether you just want to look at his horrid shootout performance or his body of work in the game... not his best night. He's had plenty of amazing nights to more than make up for stinkers every now and then, but to imply last night he was fine... yeesh.
 
Feel free to check me on this accuracy, but comparing Price (who i think is the best goalie in the league this year) vs Quick in games when facing at least 30 shots:

Price: 25 games .943 save %
Quick: 17 games .943 save %

Just food for thought.

I see that a couple of people don't understand how statistics work, or how to take variance into effect.

Very good post Winger, Kudos man.
 
The only thing Quick wasn't sharp at was the shootout last night. That's it.

Saying he wasn't sharp in the shootout is doing him a favor. He was atrocious.

I think the shootout is getting stupider by the day. Patrick Kane just stops in front of the goalie and picks his spot. Last night, those two Habs were practically skating sidewise waiting for Quick to move.

Last night, I saw a Boston bRuin lose the puck, go back and get it, and make a turnaround slap shot. It wasn't even clear if the refs blew the whistle on that ridiculous attempt.

I was thinking last night just end the ****ing game after OT and give each team 1 point, just like the old days. Keep the games at 2 points only like they should have always been. But the league will never do that...the shootout is too popular. Let's just thank God we don't have shootouts in the playoffs. That would really make a mockery out of the sport if they did.
 
That's pretty silly. So no matter how the goals were scored when the shot ratios are that one sided the goalie has to make the save no matter what?

it's just funny that the Kings are the only team that gives away one impossible to stop scoring chance every 9 shots or so

such an unlucky team
 
Jonathan Quick numbers:

Projected This Season - 58:11/TOI/G; 2.40GAA; .913SV%; 36W; 23L; 13OTL; 5SO.
Career Average - 58:31/TOI/G; 2.30GAA; .914SV%.

Right in line with career average. What now if save percentage is the end-all stat on here?

This is all anyone should care about with Quick, just get the Kings into the playoffs.

Then Quick can post his playoff averages, which are amongst the best in the NHL over the last three years(I don't see anyone crying about those Sv%).

NHL record in SV% in 2012 playoffs.
 
I think the shootout is getting stupider by the day. Patrick Kane just stops in front of the goalie and picks his spot. Last night, those two Habs were practically skating sidewise waiting for Quick to move.

Last night, I saw a Boston bRuin lose the puck, go back and get it, and make a turnaround slap shot. It wasn't even clear if the refs blew the whistle on that ridiculous attempt.

I was thinking last night just end the ****ing game after OT and give each team 1 point, just like the old days. Keep the games at 2 points only like they should have always been. But the league will never do that...the shootout is too popular. Let's just thank God we don't have shootouts in the playoffs. That would really make a mockery out of the sport if they did.

I have always hated the shootout. The NHL should bring back the tie.
Non of this 3 on 3 OT or shootout gimmick crap. Extend OT to 10 minutes and then be done with it.
 
Pretty sure we all saw the white towel. :nod:

But not me. I sadly always believe that we are going to win the cup right up until we are mathematically eliminated. It used to be the running joke for all of my friends. "Who's gonna win the cup this year"? I would always say the kings and get ribbed like nobodys business. Back in the 80's was the worst up until Gretzky was on the team and then from the time he left on up until 2012 I got more of the same. So while logic would dictate that we are very unlikely to win the cup every year I just believe that it is going to happen. So my opinion on where we are and or what will happen should be summarily dismissed.
 
This is all anyone should care about with Quick, just get the Kings into the playoffs.

Then Quick can post his playoff averages, which are amongst the best in the NHL over the last three years(I don't see anyone crying about those Sv%).

NHL record in SV% in 2012 playoffs.

You say that as if you don't enjoy the *****ing and moaning after a 2 pointer of a night.
 
What do these all have in common? No shootouts! Come on man, that's almost as bad a cup counting logic.

Yes the Olympics do have shootouts. Apparently you missed the US Russia game.

Quick has been a good shootout goalie through out his career. Just because he hasn't been great in them recently doesn't mean he won't continue to be good in them.

Plus, it's awfully hard for your goalie to win shootouts when your own players aren't scoring. I'd love to know how the Kings rank as team in SO shooting % this year. It's got to be near the bottom.
 
I think the shootout is getting stupider by the day. Patrick Kane just stops in front of the goalie and picks his spot. Last night, those two Habs were practically skating sidewise waiting for Quick to move.

Last night, I saw a Boston bRuin lose the puck, go back and get it, and make a turnaround slap shot. It wasn't even clear if the refs blew the whistle on that ridiculous attempt.

I was thinking last night just end the ****ing game after OT and give each team 1 point, just like the old days. Keep the games at 2 points only like they should have always been. But the league will never do that...the shootout is too popular. Let's just thank God we don't have shootouts in the playoffs. That would really make a mockery out of the sport if they did.

being a soccer fan, i couldn't agree with you more

image the World Cup stage (every 4 years) a grusome qualification campaign that lasts close to 3 years...over 193 countries, only 32 qualify....then 16 then 8 then 4 then there you are at the big game; 4 years in the making...some nations can only dream of reaching that far

game is tied 1-1 extra time...if the score isn't settled

.....pen kicks

the Champions win the trophy with a freakin' coin toss!
 
You say that as if you don't enjoy the *****ing and moaning after a 2 pointer of a night.

Debate is fine.

I just think Quick is the least of the Kings problems. He is having an average year.

That's not good or bad, it's average. The Kings have way bigger problems down the stretch here.
 

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