damacles1156
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Dead Last.
They had 2 shootout goals all year, until last night. Quick could have went 98% of saves since November(in the shootout),and it wouldn't have mattered.
A win is a Win: Not really, but we'll take it 3-2
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Dead Last.
They had 2 shootout goals all year, until last night. Quick could have went 98% of saves since November(in the shootout),and it wouldn't have mattered.
So if Quick faces more shots they are banked automatically as saves. How convenient.
damacles1156
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That's not how it works, but this season, and others in Quick's career.
He has a higher SV% when facing more shots. Therefore it's safe to assume he would save more shots.
He would also on occasion probably give up more goals, but the numbers at higher shots lean more into the goalies favor when the Tender is good as Quick/Price/Rinne ETC.
KingPuckChoo
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but pointing out that Stoll and Greene sucks is something that everyone agrees on lol
when we go beyond the obvious, we have to look at our average goaltending
but again, i think nobody on here hates Quick, i think it's actually the reverse, we're all madly in love with him
but just like in relationships with lovers we have two pools of people...the ones that bend over and take it...and the one's that are charged with domestic violence
we both love our lover...we just show it differently
KingPuckChoo
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oh and Suckera Sucks...but we'll just give him time to adapt
a tour of the city....tuck him in bed....he'll eventually get it; hopefully before he hits Free Agency
a tour of the city....tuck him in bed....he'll eventually get it; hopefully before he hits Free Agency
Wait, Quick gives up 2 goals where the scorer skates unencumbered laterally 2 feet above the crease and a third goal on a cross ice tip also at the top of the crease from an unmarked 31 goal scoring Pacoriety and people here are debating his save percentage? Give me a break. 
tsanuri
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Notice what you said. I showed exactly what facing 2 more shots a game would do and it's not insignificant. And you now want to change variables. Any NHL quality goalie will only allow on average over 2 and under 3 goals a game. And it doesn't matter how many shots they face that is how many goals they will allow on average. So taking what his average is, which just so happens to be the league average as well, and adding shots yes his SV% will go up.
There's a hell of a lot of pissing and moaning in here considering we won the game...
It thought the save he made later on Pacioretty on the one-timer was a game saver.
Wait, Quick gives up 2 goals where the scorer skates unencumbered laterally 2 feet above the crease and a third goal on a cross ice tip also at the top of the crease from an unmarked 31 goal scoring Pacoriety and people here are debating his save percentage? Give me a break.
It thought the save he made later on Pacioretty on the one-timer was a game saver.
Actually he doesn't. Last year he faced almost 3 fewer shots per game than this year yet his save% was slightly higher than this year. I also looked at previous years and I don't see a correlation between shots and save%.
TonySCV
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We can all agree that Brown and Kopitar never should be on a line together again. 8-1 Gabbo-Kopi-Lewis.
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Wait, Quick gives up 2 goals where the scorer skates unencumbered laterally 2 feet above the crease and a third goal on a cross ice tip also at the top of the crease from an unmarked 31 goal scoring Pacoriety and people here are debating his save percentage? Give me a break.
this is where Quick needs to learn to use the pokecheck - not at every shootout attempt... it really looked like he was guessing last night
And he does need to "learn" it because he certainly doesn't use it ... don't they have a goalie coach? don't they watch video of "where / when he could deflect" the puck?
Too many passes get to the slot from behind the net as well. - when Quick could be blocking some of those passes at the post.
I wouldn't mind seeing Stoll and Shore switched for a few games to see what happens. The fourth is doing well right now, but really that style fits Stoll and he might click there. It might be worth a shot down the stretch run to see if that option might be viable in the playoffs to throw opposing coaches a curve ball.
Brown really needs to get going, there are limited options though. Alternatively, Brown could be tried on Carter's line, but they are on fire. Brown isn't meshing well with Kopitar and with Stoll, well, we all know how that's going.
And please, Brown, no more kids
Brown really needs to get going, there are limited options though. Alternatively, Brown could be tried on Carter's line, but they are on fire. Brown isn't meshing well with Kopitar and with Stoll, well, we all know how that's going.
And please, Brown, no more kids
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I wouldn't mind seeing Stoll and Shore switched for a few games to see what happens. The fourth is doing well right now, but really that style fits Stoll and he might click there. It might be worth a shot down the stretch run to see if that option might be viable in the playoffs to throw opposing coaches a curve ball.
Brown really needs to get going, there are limited options though. Alternatively, Brown could be tried on Carter's line, but they are on fire. Brown isn't meshing well with Kopitar and with Stoll, well, we all know how that's going.
And please, Brown, no more kids
Brown is trying to carry the 3rd line right now, but he can't get it done by himself.
I don't think Brown is the problem on the 3rd line. He still makes things happen when he is on the ice with more highly skilled players.
damacles1156
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The Problem on the third line is Stoll, and partly Williams looking/playing really old this season.
Brown can't carry a line by himself, that is beyond his skill set.
Brown can't carry a line by himself, that is beyond his skill set.
damacles1156
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Sigh, you're looking at total shots aren't you ?
Quick has 24 games this season of facing 25+ shots. His average SV% in those games is above .925 (Well above league average) and if you push it to 30 shots(per game) out of those 24 games; Quick: 17 games .943 save % 30 Shots or more. If I go back all the way to Quick's rookie season, I can come up with a similar correlation.
I just proved what I said by taking Five minutes to look at numbers.
This is getting tiresome. I am going to stop.
We agree to disagree.
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Buddy The Elf
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It's just a bad combination. I think Williams has had games where he has played well and games where he has played bad. I personally think Williams should be playing with Kopitar and especially if Gaborik is going to be glued to Kopitar's hip. I think part of the lack of Kopitar/Gaborik's production at points during the season is tied to their bromance and trying to force passes instead of taking clear shot opportunities. This happened the other night against Edmonton. Gaborik had a clear shot at the net on a 2 on1 and he tries to force a pass to Kopitar to make a pretty goal. I know the Kings were up 4-1 at that point but that is a microcosm of what I see wrong with those two. I think Williams helps put a different dimmension to that line than Brown can. I'll give Lewis credit, he has been a catalyst while playing with those two. But he is over his head as well.
Ideally, I think I'd like to see Kopitar and Gaborik separated. At least in the short term. I really wouldn't mind seeing what Gaborik could do on Carter's wing. We know Carter and Toffoli aren't afraid to shoot but they also are both good play makers. I'd put King up with Kopitar and put Williams with them. Williams can make little plays in the offensive zone and isn't afraid to shoot. Put Lewis back on the offensive black hole with Stoll and Brown. I personally don't thing Brown's number would be much better than they are if he'd played the entire season with Kopitar. Kopitar's numbers are down playing with Gaborik. Does anyone thing Brown's numbers would be up playing with anyone else? While Williams has had his moments, I think he is the one getting screwed playing with Brown/Stoll. Who knows, maybe DL is trying to keep is contract demands in check by keeping his numbers down?
tsanuri
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Many of Williams problems is how his line mates are playing. Your not there but those jumping on his points. All of his point drop this year is on assists. He can't get those points if they can't finish, which seems to be a problem for most of the team this year.
ok... Save % doesn't mean **** for a goalie... I remember a game Bernier where he faced one shot in the period... that shot happened to be a defensive collapse where the Kings gave up a breakaway. So his save % was 0 for that period.
Now if you are a goalie on a bad team facing huge numbers of shots your save % goes up...
If you are on a team that can play decent defense for most of the game, limiting the overall number of shots, but that team has a large number of defensive breakdowns... like Williams skating into the ref and letting his man go to the front of the net... or Doughty/Regehr not being familiar with each other and both vacating the front of the net at the same time, you end up with a situation where there may be a low number of shots against and some good chances in there.
It isn't about how many shots you get it's about the quality of the chance. Am I concerned about Quick... not at all. It would be nice if Jones could get some more games, but the team isn't playing defense well enough at this point and can't afford to chance losing any games at this point.
Anyone wanting to dig through numbers.... it would be interesting to look up the 5 best defenses in the league, over the years, and check what their goalies save % is.... you may find that the better defensive teams give up fewer shots overall and that their goalies save % drop.
Now if you are a goalie on a bad team facing huge numbers of shots your save % goes up...
If you are on a team that can play decent defense for most of the game, limiting the overall number of shots, but that team has a large number of defensive breakdowns... like Williams skating into the ref and letting his man go to the front of the net... or Doughty/Regehr not being familiar with each other and both vacating the front of the net at the same time, you end up with a situation where there may be a low number of shots against and some good chances in there.
It isn't about how many shots you get it's about the quality of the chance. Am I concerned about Quick... not at all. It would be nice if Jones could get some more games, but the team isn't playing defense well enough at this point and can't afford to chance losing any games at this point.
Anyone wanting to dig through numbers.... it would be interesting to look up the 5 best defenses in the league, over the years, and check what their goalies save % is.... you may find that the better defensive teams give up fewer shots overall and that their goalies save % drop.
Ziggy Stardust
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I would be more concerned with the stupidity of the defenders and forwards who were largely at fault for some egregious errors that directly resulted in goals.
A playoff team doesn't (and shouldn't) make mistakes like that when they have a 2-0 lead.
I see other things to be concerned about than Quick's play. Can he be better? Yes he can, but there are a number of veterans whose declining play is really handicapping the team.
A playoff team doesn't (and shouldn't) make mistakes like that when they have a 2-0 lead.
I see other things to be concerned about than Quick's play. Can he be better? Yes he can, but there are a number of veterans whose declining play is really handicapping the team.
tsanuri
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The real scary part is if we would have lost this would have been the 7th time this year we lost once we had a 2 goal lead.
I can remember not to long ago having a one goal lead and our D was so good you could count it as a win.
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This year has been sort of a continuation from the playoffs last year. It seems like the Kings, other than a game here and there, have to outscore teams as opposed to shut them down. The only problem is the Kings don't have 4 guys at or near a point per game, and Gaborik isn't scoring 40 goals.
Raccoon Jesus
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Exactly. There are bigger picture issues than Quick's save percentage especially when it's looked at in a vacuum.
Average shots per game. Apparently you are unaware that trailing teams take more shots late in games and they are usually lower percentage ones. Otherwise, the logical conclusion would be have the D just allow more shots per game which is obviously silly. Regardless, Quick needs to make more saves per game (regardless of how many shots) if the team is going to make the playoffs.
