A guarantee: Dubas will get us a pp d-man at deadline

[kb]

This seems to fit the description.



Again, I’m not saying to go out and get a slapshot on D, I’m saying it’s bizarre we’re having a conversation to invalidate the tactic in the first place.

Is that a "booming shot from the point"? Or is it.....a one timer from the dot/hash marks like Matthews, Stamkos, or Ovechkin?

Do people know what a "point shot" is??

 

[Stephen]

Is that a "booming shot from the point"? Or is it.....a one timer from the dot/hash marks like Matthews, Stamkos, or Ovechkin?

Do people know what a "point shot" is??

Does a Hedman booming slap shot from the point, from distance on the PP in a playoff game en route to a cup win work for your majesty?

 

[Gabriel426]

How can having a slap shot or any type of shot from the point in the PP not a good thing?
One thing I am still puzzle on Leafs PP is that they don’t seem to set up AM and Willie around the dot for their shots.

 

[Fogelhund]

Does this statistic take into consideration rebound goals from the forwards off of point shots?

Otherwise it is ignoring the goals scored after original shot from the point that wouldn’t have happened without the original shot from the point.

The threat of a shot from the point isn’t just the goal, but also the rebound opportunities that come from them as well. It also helps spread out the penalty kill to give more space to the forwards.

I don’t think this anything new. A booming shot from the point has no downside and brings more variability to a power play.

This is false, and has been discussed a number of times in this thread. I recommend reviewing the postings on this.

The reality is.... snap shots produce more deflections, and probably as many rebound goals.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Does this statistic take into consideration rebound goals from the forwards off of point shots?

That takes the assumption that big slapshots from the point are the best thing to generate rebounds, and a quick wrist or snap shot or slapshot from a slightly lesser slapshot player wouldn't have generated the same rebound, which isn't necessarily true. In fact, the article posted earlier disputes this claim.

As the overall skill level in the sport continues to increase at a rapid pace, so too do the number of mind games being played by both shooters and netminders, with both parties training daily to outsmart the other. Amid that back-and-forth, more reasons to move away from slappers have emerged.

“We’re trying to counter what the goalie coaches are teaching the goalies,” Turk says. “When there’s all this traffic in front and the goalies are trying to track the puck at the perimeter, they lose sight of it at times. But if they hear that snapping sound and think it’s a release — they hear a snapping sound, [like] the stick hitting the ice — they kind of get big naturally, even though they’re unsure of where the puck is released from or where it’s headed. They still get big.

“But if you don’t make any sound, if you take that ‘snap’ or ‘slap’ out of the shot and you kind of make it silent — I call it the ‘quick release silencer’ — then the goalies don’t get big, so the puck becomes more reactive in front of the net. If it doesn’t go in, it hits them and it produces more healthy of a rebound. So that’s why I kind of preach the quick-release shot, depending on where you are on the ice.”

As Klingberg said, the improved ability of the average player to tip and deflect pucks in front of the net also changes this dynamic, as the onus on blue-liners now is to get pucks through above all else, if not to score outright then to earn a deflection or second opportunity.

It also helps spread out the penalty kill to give more space to the forwards.

It really doesn't. Penalty kills don't just ignore players, booming slapshot or not.

 

[Fogelhund]

Does a Hedman booming slap shot from the point, from distance on the PP in a playoff game en route to a cup win work for your majesty?

Yes.. the guy with ZERO PP goals this year.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Yeah, someone who can shoot from the blue - line - who needs 'em! The oppoition just cross out that threat with the Leafs

 

[ACC1224]

How can having a slap shot or any type of shot from the point in the PP not a good thing?
One thing I am still puzzle on Leafs PP is that they don’t seem to set up AM and Willie around the dot for their shots.

It's getting to the point of absurdity that it's still being argued.
Some would argue water isn't wet just to be contrary though.

 

[LeafSteel]

How can having a slap shot or any type of shot from the point in the PP not a good thing?
One thing I am still puzzle on Leafs PP is that they don’t seem to set up AM and Willie around the dot for their shots.

We have too many here more interested in pushing their always right narrative and unable to look at anything having merit if it falls outside of their expert opinions.

It’s gotten quite tiresome really, and mostly why I’d don’t even pother replying to them, to be honest.

A complete inability to listen to someone with a different perspective and ultimately say “we will agree to disagree then” is something I am good with but rarely ever seen here anymore.

Instead we have people who will hijack a thread and argue for 5 pages, right down to use of semantics. Quite boring to be honest.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Does a Hedman booming slap shot from the point, from distance on the PP in a playoff game en route to a cup win work for your majesty?

That's not on the PP, for the record.
And searching for (and not even being able to find, which is kind of funny) youtube clips of a rare occurrence doesn't change the facts of what's happening league-wide and why.

 

[LeafSteel]

This is false, and has been discussed a number of times in this thread. I recommend reviewing the postings on this.

The reality is.... snap shots produce more deflections, and probably as many rebound goals.

I will disagree and not care what other other posters have said, and will instead draw my conclusions on my own observations, of 50 years of watching, playing, and coaching hockey.

 

[Mess]

We don’t even need MacInnis highlights. Cale Makar is doing this for the Avs in the here and now but apparently a “booming”slap shot is something we’re nostalgic over.

In the playoffs when everything gets tighter, and teams collapse back into their own zone in a tight 5 man box it keeps everything on the outside and on the perimeter.

Passing through and creating lanes becomes impossible and the HDSC area is boxed out.

So what would be the best solutions .. Having a players with grit and backbone going to the tough areas and a Dman with a big powerful shot to get pucks through and on net from distance and score some greasy goals on rebounds.

I guess from some Leaf fans "respect in the handshake line" is good enough, despite watching Hedman blow it by the goalie on the PP to return that end result.

Its quite humourous whenever something the Leafs are missing is identified and pointing out, that its not required. However when watching TB (Hedman) or LA (Doughty) or Chicago (Keith) or Pittsburgh (Letang) or Washington (Carlson) etc etc hoist Cups then had that big PP point man blasting away for playoff success.

 

[Gabriel426]

It's getting to the point of absurdity that it's still being argued.
Some would argue water isn't wet just to be contrary though.

Instead of discussion it is becoming I just want to win the argument.
Still remember how Zeke said something like ‘we are discussing potential future wins…’ but we were just discussing players roles.

This is false, and has been discussed a number of times in this thread. I recommend reviewing the postings on this.

The reality is.... snap shots produce more deflections, and probably as many rebound goals.

It also lure the PK unit to come out more and create more room in front of the net.

 

[Stephen]

In the playoffs when everything gets tighter, and teams collapse back into their own zone in a tight 5 man box it keeps everything on the outside and on the perimeter.

Passing through and creating lanes becomes impossible and the HDSC area is boxed out.

So what would be the best solutions .. Having a players with grit and backbone going to the tough areas and a Dman with a big powerful shot to get pucks through and on net from distance and score some greasy goals on rebounds.

I guess from some Leaf fans "respect in the handshake line" is good enough, despite watching Hedman blow it by the goalie on the PP to return that end result.

Its quite humourous whenever something the Leafs are missing is identified and pointing out, that its not required. However when watching TB (Hedman) or LA (Doughty) or Chicago (Keith) or Pittsburgh (Letang) or Washington (Carlson) etc etc hoist Cups then had that big PP point man blasting away for playoff success.

No kidding. Maybe win the cup first before pushing the narrative that you’ve reinvented the wheel.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

So defending D

The Dubas defenders wil find a way to say it doesn't matter. Already happening....

Leafs have been among the powerplay leaders for years without a booming shot, so I dont see how it's a problem.

Goalies are too good to score from the point nowadays. Unless you have a guy like Weber or Chara that can shoot it 106mph. Where are those types of players? They are unicorns. They also have to hit the net with regularity. Dion could hammer the puck but couldn't hit the net most of the time. For the most part to score from the point, you have to have big net front presences to obstruct the goalies view. If the goalie can see the shot from 35 ft out, he is going to stop it most of the time. We don't have those types of players and that isn't our system. We have an offensive minded defensemen with a cannon in Timmins and we aren't utilizing him on the PP, so why would we need to go out and get another one ?

 

[WTFMAN99]

Stephen, the whole point is that a slapshot from the point is an option that is dying because the large majority of the time, there are more effective options in a fast flowing game that is only getting faster and tighter. Our powerplay does not have some critical problem because we, like most teams, don't utilize it very much within our unit that has four top-tier forwards with shots that range from good to amazing in better positions to shoot from. We have big slapshot from the point options if we really wanted to do that, but it's better to use better players who bring better things to the table, and then primarily do better things.

The fact that it's not as useful and it's falling out of style league-wide has nothing to do with the Leafs, or what we do. It's just fact, and it's been proven and extensively explained to you why.

Also, I found a youtube highlight of Rielly one-timing a puck in from the point!



I guess that proves we had our big booming slapshot all along! That's how it works, right? Crisis averted!

How many goals has Rielly scored this year though?

Obviously I know the answer is zero. It's easier to cheat with our PP because Rielly outside of 1 year at 20 goals, isn't really a shot threat.

 

[Stephen]

It's getting to the point of absurdity that it's still being argued.
Some would argue water isn't wet just to be contrary though.

It’s funny because we still have point men on the PP. So basically we’re having a vigorous debate about how they have atrophied into non scoring threats and how this is a good thing and a sign of progress. Can’t possibly upgrade on anything that we don’t already have. It’s perfect!

 

[Fogelhund]

I will disagree and not care what other other posters have said, and will instead draw my conclusions on my own observations, of 50 years of watching, playing, and coaching hockey.

Congratulations on your observations. There are articles included, that explains why the league has changed. Anyway, ostrich time indeed.

 

[Stephen]

Stephen, the whole point is that a slapshot from the point is an option that is dying because the large majority of the time, there are more effective options in a fast flowing game that is only getting faster and tighter. Our powerplay does not have some critical problem because we, like most teams, don't utilize it very much within our unit that has four top-tier forwards with shots that range from good to amazing in better positions to shoot from. We have big slapshot from the point options if we really wanted to do that, but it's better to use better players who bring better things to the table, and then primarily do better things.

The fact that it's not as useful and it's falling out of style league-wide has nothing to do with the Leafs, or what we do. It's just fact, and it's been proven and extensively explained to you why.

Also, I found a youtube highlight of Rielly one-timing a puck in from the point!



I guess that proves we had our big booming slapshot all along! That's how it works, right? Crisis averted!

The slapshot from the point isn’t dying, Dekes. It’s an optional tactical choice in a fluid sport and can be used when situationally appropriate.

Morgan Rielly might score on a slapshot from the point tonight or in OT of a Game 7 and it won’t be a referendum on your little ideas one way or another. It’s just an option.

 

[Stephen]

Congratulations on your observations. There are articles included, that explains why the league has changed. Anyway, ostrich time indeed.

If a Leaf point man saw an opening on a PP and could take a shot from distance with a reasonable chance to get it on net, I would rather he have a better shot that not and he has free reign to take that shot. That’s a split second decision. No one is thinking about the macro observations you read about in an article.

 

[LeafSteel]

Congratulations on your observations. There are articles included, that explains why the league has changed. Anyway, ostrich time indeed.

So disagree with poster, so queue the snark?

You are usually a better poster than this @Fogelhund . I will just leave it at this then, you know, with my head in the sand.

 

[ToneDog]

Yeah, someone who can shoot from the blue - line - who needs 'em! The oppoition just cross out that threat with the Leafs

So we have ruled out needing physicality, hitting, size, fighting, slapshots from the point, sandpaper, depth and push back but we are OK with smiles while being rag dolled or punched in the face.

 

[ACC1224]

How many goals has Rielly scored this year though?

Obviously I know the answer is zero. It's easier to cheat with our PP because Rielly outside of 1 year at 20 goals, isn't really a shot threat.

This is really basic stuff here.

 

[Jeffrey Pedler]

Hoping we can make a push for Provorov.

So you want him due to his religious beliefs, because his play is nothing special.

 

[kb]

So we have ruled out needing physicality, hitting, size, fighting, slapshots from the point, sandpaper, depth and push back but we are OK with smiles while being rag dolled or punched in the face.