There's nothing wrong with having options, but a booming slap shot from the point is a pretty insignificant thing for a PP, and in most situations, should not be used anyway. Losing out on other attributes and expending assets to acquire somebody for the minor difference in slap shot power they'd provide in rare situations is stupid and pointless, and going around claiming we have massive deficiencies and problems with our PP because, like most teams, we don't utilize big slapshots from the point much, is just flat out wrong and shows a distinct lack of understanding of how PPs work and have evolved to be more efficient over time.
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A one timer will always be a viable option, that will never change.
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What’s the next referendum on for things to edit out of hockey, skating backwards?
Those scoring chances look pretty dismal when the team is on retreat. Maybe the professionals can take a look.
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Does not have to be a "booming" shot but it would be nice to have a threat.
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Sure, it's a viable option, but it's also a lower probability event than a snap shot for multiple reasons. When something works at a lower rate, than other options, it's going to be used less and less.
We do have threats. You don't need a big slap shot to be a threat. That's what some people don't seem to understand, because their mindset is stuck decades in the past.
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Sure but the key is the greater amount of options should lead to higher probability for all.
This should go without saying.
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Agreed. Unfortunately Marner and Rielly muffins from the point are not threats.
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The Dubas defenders wil find a way to say it doesn't matter. Already happening....leafs have been the only team in the entire league without a point shot on PP for a while; what makes people think this will change
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Both Marner and Rielly are threats from the point. Maybe not as much as a few in the league for a slapshot goal directly into the net from the blueline, but in pretty much all the ways to actually be effective and have a positive impact from that position.
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I wonder if this core group would be 0-6 in playoff round #1 losses if they had a Dman that could blow it by the goalie on a slapshot from the point that tickles the twine?
I don't think the team needs a Al MacInnis, but another viable point option would be nice.
Al MacInnis rode slap shot to Hall of Fame - YouTube
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Nothing wrong if it was a “booming” shot. Not sure why there’s this insinuation that a defenseman with a shot from the point is some kind of dinosaur relic just because the Leafs don’t have or want one. Truly bizarre.
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We don’t even need MacInnis highlights. Cale Makar is doing this for the Avs in the here and now but apparently a “booming”slap shot is something we’re nostalgic over.
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Are you sure he's scoring on 'booming slapshots", or is this just a false take you hoped no one would catch?
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This seems to fit the description.
Again, I’m not saying to go out and get a slapshot on D, I’m saying it’s bizarre we’re having a conversation to invalidate the tactic in the first place.
Booming PP slapshots from the point are becoming a thing of the past more and more. Whether you like it or not, it's a fact, and it's happening league-wide, for all of the many reasons that have been explained to you in this thread and ignored. I don't know why there's this belief that people are only saying this because "the Leafs don't have one" (which isn't even true either), especially when all of the proof is in front of you.
Cale Makar is not doing this in the here and now. Less than 15% of Makar's career shots and goal have been slapshots.
I'm sure we could find a youtube highlight of a nice one-timer goal from Rielly too.
Also notice how Makar is not at the point? And it's a 5 on 3 BTW, where you have a lot more opportunity to get off a slapper.
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I get your point, but those who run a ton of Statistical analytics, seem to think it doesn't. In most circumstances, it takes too long to setup the shot, and they get blocked, end up out of the zone, and are harder to deflect.
Noting, the top 3 teams in the league on the PP are Edmonton, Tampa and Boston.
Their top D men in PP minutes are Barrie, Hedman and McAvoy. They have a combined THREE goals on the PP this year... between the three of them.
This argument is based around how critical a Point shot is... when the three top teams in the league, have three goals from their top D, on the powerplay... in half a season.
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Dekes, the whole point is a slapshot from the point is just an option that can be used in a fast flowing game. I don’t care how often you use it other than to say that having that option is better than not.
The whole idea that things aren’t useful or falling out of style in the game because the Leafs don’t use it is silly.
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I hope Timmins emerges as an organic point shot threat and see what the editorial revisions look like.
Does this statistic take into consideration rebound goals from the forwards off of point shots?
Otherwise it is ignoring the goals scored after original shot from the point that wouldn’t have happened without the original shot from the point.
The threat of a shot from the point isn’t just the goal, but also the rebound opportunities that come from them as well. It also helps spread out the penalty kill to give more space to the forwards.
I don’t think this anything new. A booming shot from the point has no downside and brings more variability to a power play.
Stephen, the whole point is that a slapshot from the point is an option that is dying because the large majority of the time, there are more effective options in a fast flowing game that is only getting faster and tighter. Our powerplay does not have some critical problem because we, like most teams, don't utilize it very much within our unit that has four top-tier forwards with shots that range from good to amazing in better positions to shoot from. We have big slapshot from the point options if we really wanted to do that, but it's better to use better players who bring better things to the table, and then primarily do better things.
The fact that it's not as useful and it's falling out of style league-wide has nothing to do with the Leafs, or what we do. It's just fact, and it's been proven and extensively explained to you why.
Also, I found a youtube highlight of Rielly one-timing a puck in from the point!
I guess that proves we had our big booming slapshot all along! That's how it works, right? Crisis averted!
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