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Stephen said:
Didn’t one of the analysts say that the Leafs Big Heads don’t like point shots and shots from distance because they correlate to lower percentage scoring opportunities? They probably see a big shot from the point as an inefficiency.
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I don't disagree with that, but I would also assume having a legitimate point shot as a threat helps open up space for our other players.

If the puck goes to Rielly, they're only really worried about a pass. If it goes to a guy with a legit shot, they'll probably want to play higher to increase their ability to block shots.

Granted, I have no data to back this up. But I've generally thought our PP is too predictable by the playoffs and we don't score in enough variety of ways, so with playoff coaching that's VERY honed in on a particular opponent, our PP generally struggles a lot.
 
613Leafer said:
I don't disagree with that, but I would also assume having a legitimate point shot as a threat helps open up space for our other players.

If the puck goes to Rielly, they're only really worried about a pass. If it goes to a guy with a legit shot, they'll probably want to play higher to increase their ability to block shots.
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That's exactly what it does.
Hockey basics 101, more options, more space.
 
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613Leafer said:
I don't disagree with that, but I would also assume having a legitimate point shot as a threat helps open up space for our other players.
If the puck goes to Rielly, they're only really worried about a pass. If it goes to a guy with a legit shot, they'll probably want to play higher to increase their ability to block shots.
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Big booming slapshots aren't really any more of a threat.
If the defenseman is shooting on the PP (which should be relatively rare), it's usually more beneficial to have an accurate wrist/snap shot that they can get off quickly, or to aim for tips.
 
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Why are people pining for a slapshot? Exactly how many goals have been scored this way in recent years?

How to say you have no clue about modern hockey without coming right out and saying it.

Liljegren and Timmins have absolute rockets....but in the time it takes for a shooter to wind up......it's going to be deflected or blocked 80-90% of the time.
 
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I put that well well down the list of needs. Forward depth to me is the key, some jam too if possible. Then perhaps a physical D man, but really our D has played well. A PP D specialist is a big whatever to me.
 
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kb said:
Why are people pining for a slapshot? Exactly how many goals have been scored this way in recent years?

How to say you have no clue about modern hockey without coming right out and saying it.

Liljegren and Timmins have absolute rockets....but in the time it takes for a shooter to wind up......it's going to be deflected or blocked 80-90% of the time.
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You're right. Relying on a PP QB shooting from the point is definitely a mistake. That's what happened when Phaneuf first arrived. The whole PP was about his bomb from the point, and it was too easy to see what was coming. But when his shot accuracy deteriorated to just testing the glass behind the net, the PP focused on other options and actually improved by the time he left. It doesn't work as a main focus.

But adding a better point shot to the PP does gives it another option. And even if the opposition does get in the lane to block it, you can use that to put them where you want them rather than only covering the better options.

A point shot is great for the other team to think about, but not great for your team to depend on.
 
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You're right. Relying on a PP QB shooting from the point is definitely a mistake. That's what happened when Phaneuf first arrived. The whole PP was about his bomb from the point, and it was too easy to see what was coming. But when his shot accuracy deteriorated to just testing the glass behind the net, the PP focused on other options and actually improved by the time he left. It doesn't work as a main focus.

But adding a better point shot to the PP does gives it another option. And even if the opposition does get in the lane to block it, you can use that to put them where you want them rather than only covering the better options.

A point shot is great for the other team to think about, but not great for your team to depend on.
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You never want to depend on one thing, pretty basic stuff.
 
ACC1224 said:
You never want to depend on one thing, pretty basic stuff.
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Yep, like wasting 80%+ of shots attempted from the point is pretty basic stuff to understand. Often ends up in odd man rushes against.

Basic stuff like it's more important to actually get the shot through.....
 
JT AM da real deal said:
Not required .. Rielly is fine .. that is his job .. any CAP $$$ from Muzzy will go to a 3C and/or a top 4D
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Yeah I don't think anyone agrees they need to bring someone in.
Lots of internal options.

It's kind of evolved into would another option be beneficial, which seems like a no brainer.
 
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I think they're good for this year, tbh.

For the future: draft Brzustewicz with the 2nd round pick :cool: (this might be traded already,idk)
 
Our PP is 8th in the league and the lack of point shot is a coaching choice rather than a personnel issue. It would be nice to have a defender on PP1 who can shoot bombs from the point in order to force the opposition's PK to challenge the blueline, therefore opening up space for Matthews and Marner along the walls. But we've had a top PP in the league for years without it; we can go on 30%+ heaters when Matthews and Marner are feeling good and riding the wave. We'd be top5 if Matthews was shooting as well as previous years.
 
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kb said:
Yep, like wasting 80%+ of shots attempted from the point is pretty basic stuff to understand. Often ends up in odd man rushes against.

Basic stuff like it's more important to actually get the shot through.....
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You're pretty agreeable and sort of good at the old kiss up. Other then "basic stuff", do you have anything to add? How about few emojis?
 
Ianturnedbull said:
You just spent 12 posts talking about booming shots. Read/Review your posts.
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I made 2 posts (not 12) discussing how it's not worth acquiring a defenseman for a booming point shot on the PP.
I did not mention Robertson at all. What does any of this have to do with "moving on" from Robertson?
Robertson is a young forward on our team with a great wrist shot, not a defensemen taking booming slapshots from the point on the PP.
I've read/reviewed my posts. Have you?
 
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People get so caught in being contrary they don't even stop to think about what's being discussed before spouting off.
One of the more entertaining and irritating aspects of this place.
 
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ACC1224 said:
People get so caught in being contrary they don't even stop to think about what's being discussed before spouting off.
One of the more entertaining and irritating aspects of this place.
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If you're referring to me then let me be clear. I don't necessarily think Toronto needs a PP Specialist with a big shot from the point. I do think they need another Defenceman though. Possibly with size and good defensive ability.
 
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Ianturnedbull said:
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If you're referring to me then let me be clear. I don't necessarily think Toronto needs a PP Specialist with a big shot from the point. I do think they need another Defenceman though. Possibly with size and good defensive ability.
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Other than the OP(and not even sure about that) I don't think anyone thinks they need a 'PP Specialist'.
Many are saying more options is better than less options.
 
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