Prospect Info: 9OA: Nate Danielson

[izlez]

From wikipedia:





Good callout, but he is clearly not part of the core.

Oh... is this just a Draper thing?

Even then, I'd say Mantha, Bertuzzi, Athanasiou, Larkin, Rasmussen, Veleno compare favorably to "Hakan picks" over the same time

 

[Frk It]

Big picture, are you impressed with our North American scouting?

Big picture, I think we have drafted really strong in round 1 and pretty uninspiring and questionable in rounds 2-7.

I’m someone who had no issue with the Danielsson pick so looking good in the pre season didn’t get me too high, and having a couple pointless nights in the WHL isn’t going to get me too low.

 

[Umingmak]

So you’re going to ignore reports that he’s playing very well on a trash team to fit your narrative that he was a reach. Despite him proving in preseason that he plays great with good players.
Ok.

Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say that.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Oh... is this just a Draper thing?

Even then, I'd say Mantha, Bertuzzi, Athanasiou, Larkin, Rasmussen, Veleno compare favorably to "Hakan picks" over the same time

It's a North American thing and it is clear that Draper has played a big role. I stuck with 1st and 2nd rounders as those are the most likely to hit. Mantha is an NHL'er but he would never be considered part of the core either here or in Washington. Bertuzzi was a great pick, no question but he's not part of the core the way Larkin is. Rasmussen and Veleno are nice complimentary pieces but nothing more.

I do hope Danielson develops into a top 6 center, but our track record in NA makes me feel a bit skeptical.

 

[Frk It]

I honestly don't care about prospect rankings. Development is all that matters. We have Larkin and...? Rasmussen and Veleno are nice complimentary pieces, not guys you build around. Zadina, Cholowski, Givani Smith, McIssac, Mastrosimone, Svechnikov: these are all 1st or 2nd round picks who are at least 4 years out from their draft class. They should be contributors but none of them have a future in Detroit.

Our drafting and development out of NA has been lackluster.

Why are you talking about picks made with a different GM and Director of scouting and trying to pin that on Draper?

 

[Run the Jewels]

Why are you talking about picks made with a different GM and Director of scouting and trying to pin that on Draper?

Draper has been involved with scouting in general and North America in particular. He was famously notified by an acquaintance about Bertuzzi. Listen, I hope Draper gets the chance to GM another club like Yzerman did, he kills it, and comes back here when Yzerman is ready to hand the reigns over. So I have no ill will towards him, I simply don't think our North American scouting has been particularly good. If you think it is amazing then that's fine. It's simply a difference of opinion and if I'm wrong I will happily admit it.

 

[Frk It]

Draper has been involved with scouting in general and North America in particular. He was famously notified by an acquaintance about Bertuzzi. Listen, I hope Draper gets the chance to GM another club like Yzerman did, he kills it, and comes back here when Yzerman is ready to hand the reigns over. So I have no ill will towards him, I simply don't think our North American scouting has been particularly good. If you think it is amazing then that's fine. It's simply a difference of opinion and if I'm wrong I will happily admit it.

I think you are making some bad arguments to try to get your point across, even though I agree with some of what you’re saying.

We’ve used very few premium picks on North American prospects, that’s the main reason we don’t have more impactful North American players. It’s mostly that simple.

It’s the same thing as Hakan not being given premium picks for awhile there, it doesn’t really tell you if he’s good at scouting still or not. The hit rates on picks in rounds 4-7 is just shit, regardless of what area of the world you’re picking from.

Also you are completely disregarding the hierarchy of a front office to overly focus on Draper. When Wright and Holland worked here, they deserve the blame or credit for those picks, not Draper. Bringing up the Zadina pick to try to take a shot at Draper is beyond reaching. Now that Draper is Director of Amateur scouting, he deserves the blame or credit for ALL of our picks. You can’t pick and choose. He’s not the director of North American Scouting, he’s the director of Amateur Scouting.

Now do I like the draft strategy with some of the picks in rounds 2-4 the last few drafts? No, I don’t. I’ve said as much. But they’ve been nailing it in the first round so let’s give this pick a little time to see how things play out.

 

[jaster]

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Who "should" we have taken in your opinion?

 

[jaster]

Who "should" we have taken in your opinion?

Oh I don’t actually agree with the meme. I just made it for the Draper haters. I was doing a kindness.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

Why are you talking about picks made with a different GM and Director of scouting and trying to pin that on Draper?

I think whomever posted Draper's bio pointed out that he learned scouting from that former GM, Kenny Holland.

 

[Frk It]

I think whomever posted Draper's bio pointed out that he learned scouting from that former GM, Kenny Holland.

That doesn’t make him responsible for picks made with a different GM and Director of scouting.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Our NA drafting is not substantially better or worse than our Euro drafting once you take into account the actual capital deployed for each. Moreover, no team consistently outperforms the market when it comes to drafting over the long run. Wings fans just have this strange fetish about Hakan and euro prospects that continues to cloud their judgment. Get that man an Onlyfans page!

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

Our NA drafting is not substantially better or worse than our Euro drafting once you take into account the actual capital deployed for each. Moreover, no team consistently outperforms the market when it comes to drafting over the long run. Wings fans just have this strange fetish about Hakan and euro prospects that continues to cloud their judgment. Get that man an Onlyfans page!

Hakan's track record is objectionably better than not only our NA picks but the league as a whole over the tenure of his career.

 

[izlez]

Hakan's track record is objectionably better than not only our NA picks but the league as a whole over the tenure of his career.

I'd like to see some evidence of this. But more important to the discussion at hand, the guys he drafted a quarter century ago aren't exactly helping us today and aside from some hyped European prospects that haven't turned into anything yet, he hasn't really done anything in quite some time

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

Nate’s Centering Roersma and Mcqueen tonight

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Nate’s Centering Roersma and Mcqueen tonight

Showcasing.

 

[Oddbob]

Hakan's track record is objectionably better than not only our NA picks but the league as a whole over the tenure of his career.

Hakan has had plenty of misses. Scouting is hard and no matter what region you cover there will be lots of misses. Scouting is mostly luck based anyhow.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

1g 1a tonight. Just dominated a shift prior to his goal

 

[raymond23]

The wheat kings video board is hilarious

 

[lilidk]

Hakan's track record is objectionably better than not only our NA picks but the league as a whole over the tenure of his career.

Please name any good picks outside first round since Datsyuk and Zetterberg

Hakan has had plenty of misses. Scouting is hard and no matter what region you cover there will be lots of misses. Scouting is mostly luck based anyhow.

And not much luck since v1999.

 

[Frk It]

 

[Our Lady Peace]

Beautiful move to get off the boards and into the middle for the chance, and then pounces on the puck surrounded by 4 guys... Seriously untapped offensive potential with Nate

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Nice. Glad to see he’s finally being rewarded for the chances he’s creating.

Just looked at the schedule. A bit bummed I don’t get to see anymore Wheat Kings games in Washington this year.

 

[Indrid Cold]

Hakan has had plenty of misses. Scouting is hard and no matter what region you cover there will be lots of misses. Scouting is mostly luck based anyhow.

I agree with this. Lots of players with skill but can't skate. Fewer players who can skate, less with skill, and even less with hockey IQ and work ethic.