Prospect Info: 9OA: Nate Danielson

[Rzombo4 prez]

Meh, he will be moved at some point this season. Until then he can continue to learn to generate his own offense.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Why get those bums, when you can just get Jan Mursak?

I'm going to go with Emmerton, but tomato, tomahto

 

[Umingmak]

People were horribly overhyping him during the preseason. That's just the reality here.

He should develop into a solid middle 6 player, but the cries for him to make the opening night roster were always out to lunch.

 

[Run the Jewels]

I was on record as not being a fan of sending him back to the lowest level of hockey. People suggested his team would be better this year. Not quite looking that way, eh? They have an over ager who has some nice stats.

I have trouble seeing how this is good for his development, but he seems super mature so hopefully he'll turn out at least at Rasmussen's level bare minimum. The good news is Larkin now looks like a true 1C with a legit goal scorer on his wing.

I am greatly tempering my expectations at this point. To be fair there is a long way to go, but I was expecting him to be a much bigger point producer when playing against a bunch of 16 to 19 year olds.

For the record Rasmussen had 59 points and was +17 in his final year in the WHL. He was generating 0.5 more PPG than where Danielson is right now.

 

[izlez]

I was on record as not being a fan of sending him back to the lowest level of hockey. People suggested his team would be better this year. Not quite looking that way, eh? They have an over ager who has some nice stats.

I have trouble seeing how this is good for his development, but he seems super mature so hopefully he'll turn out at least at Rasmussen's level bare minimum. The good news is Larkin now looks like a true 1C with a legit goal scorer on his wing.

I am greatly tempering my expectations at this point. To be fair there is a long way to go, but I was expecting him to be a much bigger point producer when playing against a bunch of 16 to 19 year olds.

For the record Rasmussen had 59 points and was +17 in his final year in the WHL. He was generating 0.5 more PPG than where Danielson is right now.

Pretty sure Rasmussen had some very drastic splits in that season. Wouldn't be surprised if Danielson is outproducing Rasmussen at the 7 game mark.

But seeing as it's 7 games, I'll also point out that it took 4-5 years for 99% of people on this board to realize Rasmussen is better than Zadina.

So maybe we don't overreact to intrasquad scrimmages where he looks good and we ALSO don't overreact to 7 games where his numbers are just ok.

Also, Canada has a small history of producing good hockey players, and the vast majority of those players played in the CHL. I don't know why we are so obsessed with getting him out of there

 

[Run the Jewels]

Pretty sure Rasmussen had some very drastic splits in that season. Wouldn't be surprised if Danielson is outproducing Rasmussen at the 7 game mark.

But seeing as it's 7 games, I'll also point out that it took 4-5 years for 99% of people on this board to realize Rasmussen is better than Zadina.

So maybe we don't overreact to intrasquad scrimmages where he looks good and we ALSO don't overreact to 7 games where his numbers are just ok.

Also, Canada has a small history of producing good hockey players, and the vast majority of those players played in the CHL. I don't know why we are so obsessed with getting him out of there

Yeah, North American scouting hasn't been our strong suit.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Pretty sure Rasmussen had some very drastic splits in that season. Wouldn't be surprised if Danielson is outproducing Rasmussen at the 7 game mark.

But seeing as it's 7 games, I'll also point out that it took 4-5 years for 99% of people on this board to realize Rasmussen is better than Zadina.

So maybe we don't overreact to intrasquad scrimmages where he looks good and we ALSO don't overreact to 7 games where his numbers are just ok.

Also, Canada has a small history of producing good hockey players, and the vast majority of those players played in the CHL. I don't know why we are so obsessed with getting him out of there

Absolutely.

Then again, he only started to get good when he got better players around him and it seems like he learned quite a bit and quickly.

I love his stare though lol. He is always at 100% intense focused face with any interaction he has. I can't even remember the last time he ever looks happy

 

[Gniwder]

Absolutely.

Then again, he only started to get good when he got better players around him and it seems like he learned quite a bit and quickly.

I love his stare though lol. He is always at 100% intense focused face with any interaction he has. I can't even remember the last time he ever looks happy

Raz got good when he fixed his skating. He was getting knocked over by even the smallest NHLer. He was NOT the better player the first year they played together because Raz couldn't stay on his feet. That was the COVID season, and Zadina actually outscored him.

The problem was that Zadina regressed from that point while Raz made a huge leap in his skating, puck cycling, and protecting the puck. I was hoping he'd work on shooting this offseason, not seeing enough of that. His passing is better though, he's got his head up now.

What I like about Danielson is that he doesn't have any of those skill issues, I think he'll progress much faster after he gets done with this stupid WHL contract. Probably gonna need a year in the AHL though.

 

[RRhoads]

It's not the end of devolopment to be the best player on a bad team.

 

[Frk It]

I was on record as not being a fan of sending him back to the lowest level of hockey. People suggested his team would be better this year. Not quite looking that way, eh? They have an over ager who has some nice stats.

I have trouble seeing how this is good for his development, but he seems super mature so hopefully he'll turn out at least at Rasmussen's level bare minimum. The good news is Larkin now looks like a true 1C with a legit goal scorer on his wing.

I am greatly tempering my expectations at this point. To be fair there is a long way to go, but I was expecting him to be a much bigger point producer when playing against a bunch of 16 to 19 year olds.

For the record Rasmussen had 59 points and was +17 in his final year in the WHL. He was generating 0.5 more PPG than where Danielson is right now.

Would never know based on this post we are talking about someone who’s played 7 games in Juniors.

 

[schuelma24]

I do understand having a bit of short term ... apprehension? at the slow start.

But it's also been 7 games where he didn't even practice with the team before returning.

Aren't we being just a bit hasty here? Did his performance during preseason just .... get erased?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

People were horribly overhyping him during the preseason. That's just the reality here.

He should develop into a solid middle 6 player, but the cries for him to make the opening night roster were always out to lunch.

So you’re going to ignore reports that he’s playing very well on a trash team to fit your narrative that he was a reach. Despite him proving in preseason that he plays great with good players.
Ok.

 

[GordieHowYaDoin]

Absolutely.

Then again, he only started to get good when he got better players around him and it seems like he learned quite a bit and quickly.

I love his stare though lol. He is always at 100% intense focused face with any interaction he has. I can't even remember the last time he ever looks happy

Question is, who's dead pan stare is better: Jimmy Howards or Rasmussens?

 

[19 for president]

I am not concerned. Danielson will need to find a way to kick it into another gear if he is not getting the support and it may take him a bit to do that. . That's probably a good thing long term. He will have to learn how to drive the offense himself which isn't I think his natural game. He is also going to have to get junior timing back, which might take a minute. His linemates are not at an NHL level and there is a major difference from a playmaking level. Its not going to kill his development, he has those Larkin like intangibles and a kid does not look that consistently good in the pre-season without legit skill. He had 1 game where he looked outmatched playing a ton of games in a row.

 

[GoBoltz56]

Question is, who's dead pan stare is better: Jimmy Howards or Rasmussens?

How about Raymond? Is it just me, or does he always look like he's high as hell?

 

[GordieHowYaDoin]

Y

How about Raymond? Is it just me, or does he always look like he's high as hell?

Yeah, he looks crispy a lot of the time

 

[lilidk]

Question is, who's dead pan stare is better: Jimmy Howards or Rasmussens?

Chara

 

[Detroit Knights]

Question is, who's dead pan stare is better: Jimmy Howards or Rasmussens?

Ras. Howard shows more human emotions. Ras just has one look of seriousness the entire game and I don't know how his head doesn't hurt with that much intensity of a look lol.

If I get that intense for an extended period of time, my head hurts, so it is just fascinating. Even when he scores, does the same look.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Would never know based on this post we are talking about someone who’s played 7 games in Juniors.

Big picture, are you impressed with our North American scouting?

 

[RRhoads]

Copp has the permanent look as if someone stole his lunch money.

 

[izlez]

Big picture, are you impressed with our North American scouting?

From our most recent prospect rankings, players from North America make up:

4 of the top 10
8 of the top 15
11 of the top 20

Factoring in that the top 10 picks have mostly gone overseas, I would say: Yes

 

[Run the Jewels]

From our most recent prospect rankings, players from North America make up:

4 of the top 10
8 of the top 15
11 of the top 20

Factoring in that the top 10 picks have mostly gone overseas, I would say: Yes

I honestly don't care about prospect rankings. Development is all that matters. We have Larkin and...? Rasmussen and Veleno are nice complimentary pieces, not guys you build around. Zadina, Cholowski, Givani Smith, McIssac, Mastrosimone, Svechnikov: these are all 1st or 2nd round picks who are at least 4 years out from their draft class. They should be contributors but none of them have a future in Detroit.

Our drafting and development out of NA has been lackluster.

 

[raymond23]

I honestly don't care about prospect rankings. Development is all that matters. We have Larkin and...? Rasmussen and Veleno are nice complimentary pieces, not guys you build around. Zadina, Cholowski, Givani Smith, McIssac, Mastrosimone, Svechnikov: these are all 1st or 2nd round picks who are at least 4 years out from their draft class. They should be contributors but none of them have a future in Detroit.

Our drafting and development out of NA has been lackluster.

Tyler Bertuzzi, can't forget about him

I have a good feeling about this current group we have too

But yeah, for quite a while our NA scouting has not been very good

 

[izlez]

I honestly don't care about prospect rankings. Development is all that matters. We have Larkin and...? Rasmussen and Veleno are nice complimentary pieces, not guys you build around. Zadina, Cholowski, Givani Smith, McIssac, Mastrosimone, Svechnikov: these are all 1st or 2nd round picks who are at least 4 years out from their draft class. They should be contributors but none of them have a future in Detroit.

Our drafting and development out of NA has been lackluster.

I'm not really sure of a good way to look up when scouts were fired/hired, but I don't think looking at draft picks from 3-4 years prior to when our current GM was hired is a good way to evaluate where our North American scouting currently stands.

 

[Run the Jewels]

I'm not really sure of a good way to look up when scouts were fired/hired, but I don't think looking at draft picks from 3-4 years prior to when our current GM was hired is a good way to evaluate where our North American scouting currently stands.

From wikipedia:

Immediately following Draper's retirement from hockey, he was added to the Red Wings' front office staff. He previously served as the special assistant to the general manager, Ken Holland. In this position Draper "work closely with Detroit’s management team, assisting in player evaluation at both the professional and amateur levels. He will be asked to provide input regarding potential trades and free agent signings, as well as providing insight into potential selections at the annual NHL Entry Draft."

Tyler Bertuzzi, can't forget about him

I have a good feeling about this current group we have too

But yeah, for quite a while our NA scouting has not been very good

Good callout, but he is clearly not part of the core.