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There seems to be a growing commonality regarding which prospects develop and which seem to stagnate under Quinn. Someone mentioned earlier that the college guys are doing better under Q. That could be it, but I'm also noticing that he tends to have a better track record with slightly older prospects. All of the kids who have struggled under Quinn (Lias, Chytil, Kravtsov, Kakko, Laf) were teenagers when they got here. The ones who have done well (Buch, Fox, Lindgren, Miller, and--at least last season--DeAngelo) were all in their early 20s. While there are the occasional 20-something prospects who DON'T do well under Quinn (Gauthier, Howden) he does seem to have a SERIOUS problem with the younger players. Was he the coach in Boston that had the rep for never playing underclassmen, regardless of their play or pedigree? I remember something along those lines back when Kreider was in college.
 
Has anyone commented on how insanely lucky the tying goal tonight was? How that thing pinballed its way behind Georgiev is beyond me, but alas.

In addition to being bad, this team has also been really unlucky so far this year. I’ve been as hard in them as anyone but I’d be really hesitant to make any long term, significant decisions about the team based on what’s happening in this crazy season.
 
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gravey9 said:
sadly though, by the end of the game Kakko looked worse.
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Predictable, honestly. He had a great game last time out and Quinn can’t even get him 10 mins ice time. Then tonight he seemingly can’t get any consecutive shifts with the same linemates, constantly yanking him around. It’s like Quinn is intentionally putting Kakko in situations to keep him from succeeding. I obviously know that isn’t the case but that’s how bad his usage decisions have been, with everyone honestly but with Kakko in particular.
 
Anthony5967 said:
The coach had no idea how to use Lias. Lias was at fault
Too for a lot that happened but he handled that poorly as a coach. 6 mins a night wasn’t getting it done. He’s sitting gauthier now every game. Won’t play Shesterkin two in a row. Lafreniere and Kakko are all over the place and we’re nhl ready. The coach takes a lot of blame. For a college coach that was supposed to good for development, he’s playing his top-6 20+ mins a game to help bail him out and win games now. He’s not developing guys. He doesn’t care about that at this point. He knows he needs to keep his job.
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Miller literally led the team in 5v5 ToI tonight. Laf has been on a top 6 line nearly every game and both he and Kakko have had PP2 time. Shesterkin will a likely play multiple games, like he did last year with the same coach, when he doesn’t struggle his way through a win.

I don’t see how the coach is responsible for their play. What exactly do you want him to do? Maybe they need to play better
 
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smoneil said:
There seems to be a growing commonality regarding which prospects develop and which seem to stagnate under Quinn. Someone mentioned earlier that the college guys are doing better under Q. That could be it, but I'm also noticing that he tends to have a better track record with slightly older prospects. All of the kids who have struggled under Quinn (Lias, Chytil, Kravtsov, Kakko, Laf) were teenagers when they got here. The ones who have done well (Buch, Fox, Lindgren, Miller, and--at least last season--DeAngelo) were all in their early 20s. While there are the occasional 20-something prospects who DON'T do well under Quinn (Gauthier, Howden) he does seem to have a SERIOUS problem with the younger players. Was he the coach in Boston that had the rep for never playing underclassmen, regardless of their play or pedigree? I remember something along those lines back when Kreider was in college.
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Yeah it’s because he has less developing to actually do bc the kids who are older have had significant years of development away from Quinn. So there’s less for him to actually do.
 
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Guessing Quinn probably didn’t start Shestyorkin because he lost both previous games to the Pens. Both had blown 3rd pd leads and the Pens didn’t even play well.

There’s officially no break in the schedule. The Devils and Sabres are tougher. Then you have five SC contenders. They aren’t totally demoralized yet but with this goaltending expect some blowouts real soon.
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
This can also be a product of overthinking when the game is too fast for your brain to process. See, Chris Kreider. I have 100% full confidence this will improve for Lafreniere as he adjusts and matured over time, but it will be a process.
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There was one play early in the game, a penguins player was skating the puck out of their zone, and Laf was a few feet behind him but was just gliding along. Don't know if it was the end of a shift but that guy was there to be pickpocketed.
 
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Glen Sathers Cigar said:
Predictable, honestly. He had a great game last time out and Quinn can’t even get him 10 mins ice time. Then tonight he seemingly can’t get any consecutive shifts with the same linemates, constantly yanking him around. It’s like Quinn is intentionally putting Kakko in situations to keep him from succeeding. I obviously know that isn’t the case but that’s how bad his usage decisions have been, with everyone honestly but with Kakko in particular.
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All the lines went to shit after Blackwell went down, plus all the special teams play.
 
If I were Davidson I’d be concerned right now. They looked unprepared to play Carolina in the bubble and now this. Same mistakes and same crap over and over. Unprepared to start games, unprepared to finish periods. We got two franchise wingers with a goal and two goals through like 8 games now. What is changing or happening? Because right now, they lack a top pair d man, they have no centers, they lack battle, grit and determination. You stick with this clown behind the bench long enough and you can ruin these two guys.
 
Glen Sathers Cigar said:
Players that come through NCAA are usually a couple years older by the time they make it to the NHL and are more polished bc the NCAA has a lot of men playing in it.

There’s a big difference between Fox with 3 years and Miller with 2 years of NCAA and a Laf straight from juniors and Kakko coming in at 18 from Europe.

So those college players are further in their development so it makes it easier on the coach because they’re more mature.
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Or that’s the only level Quinn had any success with and the only ones he is more comfortable working with.
 
We were down to 11 forward and Quinn still only played Kakko 12 minutes. I’m sorry but the over thinking of his usage and using him selectively isn’t working. He should be permanent in the top 6 and get consistent PP time. Let him get comfortable and get some confidence and find his game. There’s nothing to lose. Because what Quinn has done with him to this point clearly isn’t working.
 
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Miller literally led the team in 5v5 ToI tonight. Laf has been on a top 6 line nearly every game and both he and Kakko have had PP2 time. Shesterkin will a likely play multiple games, like he did last year with the same coach, when he doesn’t struggle his way through a win.

I don’t see how the coach is responsible for their play. What exactly do you want him to do? Maybe they need to play better
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The beginning of the year he had guys moving all over the place. Out of position Lafreniere, Kakko off PP2, etc. The damage is done at this point. He’s shown he has no clue.
 
haveandare said:
Honestly, when do you think a players play is their own responsibility? I don’t even care if I agree or not I just want to understand this logic that players not being good is someone else’s fault
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If one kid struggles you are right it’s on them...

Andersson
kravtsov
kakko
lafreniere
gauthier
and Howden yes Howden highly touted kid at worst should be a third line center he can’t do it

Chytil is the saving grace?

This coach again is here because he’s a development coach supposedly.

When they ALL struggle it means the system and or the messaging is garbage. You can have great players and a terrible system or game management by a coach ANd those great players can look lost.


that resume above should be grounds for dismissal by now
 
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Synergy27 said:
Has anyone commented on how insanely lucky the tying goal tonight was? How that thing pinballed its way behind Georgiev is beyond me, but alas.

In addition to being bad, this team has also been really unlucky so far this year. I’ve been as hard in them as anyone but I’d be really hesitant to make any long term, significant decisions about the team based on what’s happening in this crazy season.
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Ya know, Fox is great and hard to criticize but Guentzel got behind him and overpowered him.
 
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LeetchisGod said:
Howden has zero skill. Offense completely dies on his stick.
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His inability to accept any pass cleanly, even ones that are perfectly on his tape is absolutely baffling. He’s in his 3rd NHL season and he can’t be relied on the consistently accept a pass cleanly. That’s like bare minimum skill to be an NHL player.

I think about how many times players create chances after corralling a bad pass, accepting a pass in stride, kicking a puck to his skate. The fact that Howden is in his 3rd NHL season and still can’t do this is wild. Like how can he even be an effective 4th liner if he doesn’t even have basic skills like this? We’re not talking stick handling in traffic and ripping off high light reel plays, we’re talking cleanly accept a pass. Bare minimum.
 
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By the way that’s 6 count them 6 first round pick forwards drafted or traded for and not one is making an everyday impact for this club under this coach.

Chytil would be 7 but even he didn’t figure it out until knoblauch got a hold of him. Comes up dominates and within a couple weeks he’s on the third line. Getting no mins again
 
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