Post-Game Talk: #8 - 01/30/21 | penguins @ RANGERS

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Your team should not fall apart if Colin Blackwell goes out of the lineup.

get rid of this f***ing clown yesterday!
But being rongos, we will wait until he ruins our 1st and 2nd overalls first.
 
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Can we stop including the Bubble in the record? That was literally a pause during the Season where we were on fire and its pretty evident most of our players didn't think the season would resume again.
Can I "Like" this several more times? It's really getting old. Very very old. Why don't we include the hot streak from last season?
 
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Looking at the taxi squad. Anthony Bitetto is an experienced stay at home D. I can't think he'd be any worse than Jack Johnson. I'm kind of thinking he might be an improvement. Stick him and Smith together for a dozen minutes a night and maybe we'd have a semi-competent third pair that didn't bleed goals all night long. Maybe not exciting but whatever.

I'm also kind of thinking that maybe giving Kinkaid a game or two might wake up Shesterkin/Georgiev.

Mika's not been lucky for sure but he's not really playing well. That hurts the team. We go from being a serious two line threat to a one line threat and again why is the team fading in third periods. The Pens last night took over in the 3rd period. We can blame goalies all we want but really the Guentzel goal that tied it Alex had almost no chance on and the Pens outshot us 16-7 for the period. No Letang and going with 5 D---most of whom wouldn't be playing if it weren't for a slew of injuries. They wanted it more than our team and it's not like Crosby or Malkin had stellar nights.

I like this view enough to write "i like this view" as opposed to just hitting like.

I especially like wake up move like "Kinkaid in" as opposed to "FIRE" and "TRADE" right now.

Ask me again after game 15 though.
 
Well, at least the Rangers can score more than 2 goals in a game. Goaltending has been so disappointing this season. We had this game if George was better.
 
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Good contribution. You go away then come back with some substance to the conversation. Because the reality is Zibanejad has not been good and they are going to need to make a decision on him sooner than later.

It was a worthy reply to your abysmal comment. No he haven´t been good. Overreacting and rushing things is even worse. You want to trade him now and then watch him go back to 19-20 form on another team. Don´t think so...
 
It was a worthy reply to your abysmal comment. No he haven´t been good. Overreacting and rushing things is even worse. You want to trade him now and then watch him go back to 19-20 form on another team. Don´t think so...
Did I say right this second he should be traded? Abysmal comment? This is a harsh reality with a player who is 27 years old and (correction) will be 29* years old when his contract expires. This team is not anywhere closer to competing for a cup this year. There is a strong chance they dont even make playoffs. So who f***ing cares if he reverts back to his 19-20 form? In fact that is leverage as a reason to move him this season, maybe even sooner than the trade deadline so that the acquiring team has him on their roster longer, thus increasing the return we could get. We can then use our multitude of assets to acquire another center, likely younger and under contract or team control. It is the same thing we did with Brassard which resulted in Mika Zibanejad. This isn’t an overreaction, these are the circumstances. Better start coming to grips with reality pal. Nothing more abysmal than being naive.
 
Just like the NJ game we win if our starting goalie starts. Unfortunately, even early on we are losing points we should have easily piled up
 
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Well, at least the Rangers can score more than 2 goals in a game. Goaltending has been so disappointing this season. We had this game if George was better.

The only really "bad" goal he gave up was the last one. I didn't love the 2nd one either since he had it and for some reason decided to open his 5 hole but we were way to loose.


There is NO excuse to get that heavily out played by a team basically running an AHL defense out there. Thats 10000% on coaching. Putting Mika out there in OT? Coaching.

The way I see it, we lost 3 points this week because of David Quinn.
 
The only really "bad" goal he gave up was the last one. I didn't love the 2nd one either since he had it and for some reason decided to open his 5 hole but we were way to loose.


There is NO excuse to get that heavily out played by a team basically running an AHL defense out there. Thats 10000% on coaching. Putting Mika out there in OT? Coaching.

The way I see it, we lost 3 points this week because of David Quinn.

Yeah I can agree with that. Mika got caught out there and was tired and Crosby was able to score. But I think George could have saved a couple at least not just the one.
 
Yeah I can agree with that. Mika got caught out there and was tired and Crosby was able to score. But I think George could have saved a couple at least not just the one.

Well Mika shouldn't have been out there to begin with. He has horrendous all game and couldn't do anything right. Putting a guy like that out there 3v3 is a death wish.
 
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Well Mika shouldn't have been out there to begin with. He has horrendous all game and couldn't do anything right. Putting a guy like that out there 3v3 is a death wish.
DQ is not making adjustments. He is just in a default mode. I 100% thought the same thing last night when OT started. Mika was horrific. He had no business being out there. Keep his ass on the bench. I dont care if we lost with Blackwell and Lafreniere out there. They deserved to be out there more than Mika. A lot of players did.
 
DQ is not making adjustments. He is just in a default mode. I 100% thought the same thing last night when OT started. Mika was horrific. He had no business being out there. Keep his ass on the bench. I dont care if we lost with Blackwell and Lafreniere out there. They deserved to be out there more than Mika. A lot of players did.
Impossible with Blackwell because he wasn't in the game by then.

But, yeah, Mikass never should've seen ice.
 
A couple other thoughts:

You're not going to win games if your offensive "diet" is restricted to pretty passing plays. When was the last time we saw a deflection goal? (Might be hyperbole, but still hasn't happened enough.) On the PP, when has Fox even attempted a shot from the point lately? Not criticizing the kid, as he's probably a victim of a group that's focused on passing plays down low.
 
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A couple other thoughts:

You're not going to win games if your offensive "diet" is restricted to pretty passing plays. When was the last time we saw a deflection goal? (Might be hyperbole, but still hasn't happened enough.) On the PP, when has Fox even attempted a shot from the point lately? Not criticizing the kid, as he's probably a victim of a group that's focused on passing plays down low.

Blackwell, like 3 games ago.

I agree in principle, but I don't think offense is this team's problem right now. Too many high danger scoring chances against, and poor goaltending to further exacerbate the issue.

I speculated before the season that we needed Shesty to have a Vezina finalist caliber season to make up for the defensive deficiencies, and I'll stick to that note. Georgiev has been poor but even when he's on his .910 game that won't be enough to vault this team into the postseason.
 
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Blackwell, like 3 games ago.

I agree in principle, but I don't think offense is this team's problem right now. Too many high danger scoring chances against, and poor goaltending to further exacerbate the issue.

I speculated before the season that we needed Shesty to have a Vezina finalist caliber season to make up for the defensive deficiencies, and I'll stick to that note. Georgiev has been poor but even when he's on his .910 game that won't be enough to vault this team into the postseason.
It's the forward support and honestly the blunders at the offensive blue line. Trouba specializes in it. Panarin had trouble last night. Smith turned one over. Not getting the puck deep and then getting burned on transition and the forwards not picking up assignments in the d zone.
 
If one kid struggles you are right it’s on them...

Andersson
kravtsov
kakko
lafreniere
gauthier
and Howden yes Howden highly touted kid at worst should be a third line center he can’t do it

Chytil is the saving grace?

This coach again is here because he’s a development coach supposedly.

When they ALL struggle it means the system and or the messaging is garbage. You can have great players and a terrible system or game management by a coach ANd those great players can look lost.


that resume above should be grounds for dismissal by now
The idea here seems to be that if a young forward doesn’t step into the NHL and play great right away, it’s their coaches fault. I just don’t see the proof for it as much as I see people finding more reasons to complain about Quinn.

I don’t get what individuals players are supposed to be responsible for with this mindset
 
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The beginning of the year he had guys moving all over the place. Out of position Lafreniere, Kakko off PP2, etc. The damage is done at this point. He’s shown he has no clue.
If these guys are ruined by a few games without Pp time or a game in the offwing, that’s a big problem with them as individuals
 
too much east to west at the blue line which appears to be the Quinn's system after what kreids said post game. No wonder our young offensive players seem to not be so good at getting deep in the offensive zone and winning puck battles along the boards. It's not what they are programmed to do because of Quinn. They are waiting for a fancy pass instead of instinctively getting behind the defensemen and grinding out rotations.
 
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The idea here seems to be that if a young forward doesn’t step into the NHL and play great right away, it’s their coaches fault. I just don’t see the proof for it as much as I see people finding more reasons to complain about Quinn.

I don’t get what individuals players are supposed to be responsible for with this mindset


My bigger concern about Quinn is the questionable decision making and lack of structure which is creating a losing culture that if it continues, will start to damage our young prospects.
 
too much east to west at the blue line which appears to be the Quinn's system after what kreids said post game. No wonder our young offensive players seem to not be so good at getting deep in the offensive zone and winning puck battles along the boards. It's not what they are programmed to do because of Quinn. They are waiting for a fancy pass instead of instinctively getting behind the defensemen and grinding out rotations.
I and a few others have been harping on this since the beginning. East-west instead of north-south like the bottom 6. It's not so much Quinn as the tendency of the top 6 to want to play a pretty passing game if the bottom 6 are doing straight lines consistently. Quinn gives these top 6 a lot of rope to do as they want and to work out their issues themselves, and that's the real problem fundamentally. You hear about it from every coach, not just Quinn, they want to allow artistic freedom on offense as long as they're responsible on defense and structure. That's always been the "deal" between offensive players and coaches everywhere. So I don't necessarily agree that Quinn is to blame in this aspect, but he is definitely responsible for personnel deployment and in-game decisions. Case in point: he rolls out Mika in OT, who had been terrible all game. Meanwhile, Smith, not great, did not see ice the whole 3rd.
 
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Steve Valiquette is always insufferable, but nobody should be subjected to his "mansplaining" of a Ranger loss. I knew it was coming, so I turned it off last night, but while cooking with the replay in the background I just accidentally caught it. Suffice it to say I'm turtled up like I just jumped into an icy cold pool.

We need Duguay back.
 
Maybe I'm wrong but I think it was DeAngelo who was the last player of ours to touch the puck in overtime. Whoever it was though just gave it away. It left us with three guys on the ice who were at least close to being gassed and it's a tactic for teams when that happens to keep them on the ice through multiple shift changes. It almost guarantees glorious chances for the opposition. Some of our guys also have the terrible habit of overextending shifts in OT as well and then when they can't get off they're f***ed.
 
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