Prospect Info: #70 - Carter Mazur (LW)

[newfy]

Reminds me a lot of Palat, this is the kind of swiss army knife player Yzerman usually likes. Fast and great in 50/50 battles.

Its just Austria but he doesnt come out of the corner without the puck ever it seems like

 

[Hughes Hefner]

Mazur said in the intermission interview on nhl network that the player on the wings he looked up to and patterns his game after is Darren Helm and that's why he wears number 43. When I watch him play he reminds me of Kirk Maltby and If he can become as a effective player as Maltby was for the wings with the intangibles he bought that help teams win championships then that's a hell of 3rd round picks by Maltbys linemate for a lot of years.

 

[ricky0034]

Outside of edvinsson and potentially kasper mazur just might actually be our second best prospect. All he does is produce. And I know people might groan at the intangibles saying but he truly has all of them. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him get NHL games next year.

might even produce enough to be in the top 5 in scoring on his college team now that he's in his D+3

 

[Hen Kolland]

might even produce enough to be in the top 5 in scoring on his college team now that he's in his D+3

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

We need some of these 3-7 rounders to be something. So far I am impressed with Mazur and Savage.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

might even produce enough to be in the top 5 in scoring on his college team now that he's in his D+3

I know this is a bait post but he's only in his D+2 and he was the youngest player in the top-6 in scoring on his team.

 

[jfrank21]

I know this is a bait post but he's only in his D+2 and he was the youngest player in the top-6 in scoring on his team.

But but but he was an overager! So it's technically his D+3!!! And we all know that being an overager drafted in the top half of the draft means that it's a waste of a pick. Especially if Kris Draper is making it. Because he only picks busts....or people related to him. Clearly Yzerman only keeps him around because he has a soft spot for his former teammates who rode his coat tails to success.

 

[Henkka]

I could still look back to that how "mazur was drafted too high".

It's easy to look back on my old draft data, which did include my own rank and other ranks.

Simon Edvinsson
- picked 6th overall.
- his highest rank was 2nd overall
- his consensus pre-draft rank was at 7th overall (falled a bit from january ranks)
- his draft range was 2-23 overall

Sebastian Cossa
- picked 15th overall, traded up 23rd --> 15th to get him
- his highest rank was 7th overall
- his consensus pre-draft rank was at 18th overall (Wallstedt was 10th) Wings second 1st rd pick was 23th overall
- his draft range was 7-54 overall

Shai Buium
- picked 38th overall. (wings traded up by 2 spots to get him)
- his highest rank was 27th overall
- his consensus pre-draft rank was at 59th overall
- his draft range was 27-102 overall

Carter Mazur
- picked 70th overall
- his highest rank was 126th overall (my own rank, nobody else did rank him higher, except Kris Draper, 129th was nearest)
- his consensus pre-draft rank was at 198th overall
- his draft range was 126-302 overall
- Wings didn't have a pick for ne next 44 picks, so maybe that was the reason for the reach.

Red Savage
- picked 114th overall.
- his highest rank was 43rd overall
- his consensus pre-draft rank was at 79th overall
- his draft range was 43-148 overall

If you swap Savage or dower-Nilsson to 70th overall and Mazur to 114th or 134th, guys just get drafted in different order and we have same results. Whiners should be happy.

Some guys just are reaches and some are taken as "fallers". What I've learned in latest years, on Top15 goes very near of consensus and then all the consensus blows up. Everybody will favor their own guys and 2-7 rounds could be anything.

What comes to Mazur, he could be right there as 70th best talent, but that "overager" thing obviously dropped him at all lists, which will affect on this consensus-model. Those guys just get overlooked. If Red Wings scouts saw his real talent by eye-test, all credit for Draper or whoever was so sure about the pick. Get your guy.

But fun to notice, that also my statistical model (my own rank) had noticed Mazur higher, than any other rank builder I use for my consensus value. That includes Bob McKenzie etc. all the biggest ranking websites. In my statistical model I did just compare his Dy+1 year to other year earlier 2020 drafted and their Dy+1 years and weighted that heavily. Pretty simple.

Liam Dower-Nilsson
- picked 134th overall.
- his highest rank was 34rd overall
- his consensus pre-draft rank was at 72nd overall
- his draft range was 34-122 overall

Oscar Plandowski
- picked 155th overall
- his highest rank was 37th overall
- his consensus pre-draft rank was at 93rd overall
- his draft range was 37-140 overall

Pasquale Zito
- picked 166th overall.
- unranked on any list
- didn't play at all on his draft year 2020-21

Also, interesting how no one talks about these 3 picks after Mazur (Savage, Dower-Nilsson, Plandowski), which seems to be all steals vs. the position they were picked, and how high they were ranked on many lists.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I could still look back to that how "mazur was drafted too high".

It's easy to look back on my old draft data, which did include my own rank and other ranks.

Simon Edvinsson
- picked 6th overall.
- his highest rank was 2nd overall
- his consensus pre-draft rank was at 7th overall (falled a bit from january ranks)
- his draft range was 2-23 overall

Sebastian Cossa
- picked 15th overall, traded up 23rd --> 15th to get him
- his highest rank was 7th overall
- his consensus pre-draft rank was at 18th overall (Wallstedt was 10th) Wings second 1st rd pick was 23th overall
- his draft range was 7-54 overall

Shai Buium
- picked 38th overall. (wings traded up by 2 spots to get him)
- his highest rank was 27th overall
- his consensus pre-draft rank was at 59th overall
- his draft range was 27-102 overall

Carter Mazur
- picked 70th overall
- his highest rank was 126th overall (my own rank, nobody else did rank him higher, except Kris Draper, 129th was nearest)
- his consensus pre-draft rank was at 198th overall
- his draft range was 126-302 overall
- Wings didn't have a pick for ne next 44 picks, so maybe that was the reason for the reach.

Red Savage
- picked 114th overall.
- his highest rank was 43rd overall
- his consensus pre-draft rank was at 79th overall
- his draft range was 43-148 overall

If you swap Savage or dower-Nilsson to 70th overall and Mazur to 114th or 134th, guys just get drafted in different order and we have same results. Whiners should be happy.

Some guys just are reaches and some are taken as "fallers". What I've learned in latest years, on Top15 goes very near of consensus and then all the consensus blows up. Everybody will favor their own guys and 2-7 rounds could be anything.

What comes to Mazur, he could be right there as 70th best talent, but that "overager" thing obviously dropped him at all lists, which will affect on this consensus-model. Those guys just get overlooked. If Red Wings scouts saw his real talent by eye-test, all credit for Draper or whoever was so sure about the pick. Get your guy.

But fun to notice, that also my statistical model (my own rank) had noticed Mazur higher, than any other rank builder I use for my consensus value. That includes Bob McKenzie etc. all the biggest ranking websites. In my statistical model I did just compare his Dy+1 year to other year earlier 2020 drafted and their Dy+1 years and weighted that heavily. Pretty simple.

Liam Dower-Nilsson
- picked 134th overall.
- his highest rank was 34rd overall
- his consensus pre-draft rank was at 72nd overall
- his draft range was 34-122 overall

Oscar Plandowski
- picked 155th overall
- his highest rank was 37th overall
- his consensus pre-draft rank was at 93rd overall
- his draft range was 37-140 overall

Pasquale Zito
- picked 166th overall.
- unranked on any list
- didn't play at all on his draft year 2020-21

Also, interesting how no one talks about these 3 picks after Mazur (Savage, Dower-Nilsson, Plandowski), which seems to be all steals vs. the position they were picked, and how high they were ranked on many lists.

I was pretty high on LDN and Savage. I think I had both ranked as 2nd rounders in my draft board. Savage looks like he can turn into a Luke Glendening bulldog-type 4th liner. LDN plays pretty scrappy and makes me think there’s potential for him to be a Swiss Army knife 2nd/3rd line tweeter. Maybe he becomes a grittier version of Vlad Namestnikov or Calle Jarnkrok.

I’m not sure what to think about Plandowski, but he’s a 5th rounder so whatever. I tried watching a couple QMJHL games on a TOTALLY LEGITIMATE feed and have zero recollection of him in those games.

Pasquale Zito could end up being a surprise. He didn’t light the world on fire with his scoring in Windsor. (That was his teammate) But some Windsor fans were talking about how he played a really good all around game and went to the hard areas of the ice. I think this kid is at least an AHLer.

I really like last year’s draft.

 

[Preposterone]

Hes been reminding me a lot of Scott Hartnell lately. You don’t need oodles of skill to produce when you can find those soft spots in the slot so consistently

 

[lilidk]

I could still look back to that how "mazur was drafted too high".

It's easy to look back on my old draft data, which did include my own rank and other ranks.

Simon Edvinsson
- picked 6th overall.
- his highest rank was 2nd overall
- his consensus pre-draft rank was at 7th overall (falled a bit from january ranks)
- his draft range was 2-23 overall

Sebastian Cossa
- picked 15th overall, traded up 23rd --> 15th to get him
- his highest rank was 7th overall
- his consensus pre-draft rank was at 18th overall (Wallstedt was 10th) Wings second 1st rd pick was 23th overall
- his draft range was 7-54 overall

Shai Buium
- picked 38th overall. (wings traded up by 2 spots to get him)
- his highest rank was 27th overall
- his consensus pre-draft rank was at 59th overall
- his draft range was 27-102 overall

Carter Mazur
- picked 70th overall
- his highest rank was 126th overall (my own rank, nobody else did rank him higher, except Kris Draper, 129th was nearest)
- his consensus pre-draft rank was at 198th overall
- his draft range was 126-302 overall
- Wings didn't have a pick for ne next 44 picks, so maybe that was the reason for the reach.

Red Savage
- picked 114th overall.
- his highest rank was 43rd overall
- his consensus pre-draft rank was at 79th overall
- his draft range was 43-148 overall

If you swap Savage or dower-Nilsson to 70th overall and Mazur to 114th or 134th, guys just get drafted in different order and we have same results. Whiners should be happy.

Some guys just are reaches and some are taken as "fallers". What I've learned in latest years, on Top15 goes very near of consensus and then all the consensus blows up. Everybody will favor their own guys and 2-7 rounds could be anything.

What comes to Mazur, he could be right there as 70th best talent, but that "overager" thing obviously dropped him at all lists, which will affect on this consensus-model. Those guys just get overlooked. If Red Wings scouts saw his real talent by eye-test, all credit for Draper or whoever was so sure about the pick. Get your guy.

But fun to notice, that also my statistical model (my own rank) had noticed Mazur higher, than any other rank builder I use for my consensus value. That includes Bob McKenzie etc. all the biggest ranking websites. In my statistical model I did just compare his Dy+1 year to other year earlier 2020 drafted and their Dy+1 years and weighted that heavily. Pretty simple.

Liam Dower-Nilsson
- picked 134th overall.
- his highest rank was 34rd overall
- his consensus pre-draft rank was at 72nd overall
- his draft range was 34-122 overall

Oscar Plandowski
- picked 155th overall
- his highest rank was 37th overall
- his consensus pre-draft rank was at 93rd overall
- his draft range was 37-140 overall

Pasquale Zito
- picked 166th overall.
- unranked on any list
- didn't play at all on his draft year 2020-21

Also, interesting how no one talks about these 3 picks after Mazur (Savage, Dower-Nilsson, Plandowski), which seems to be all steals vs. the position they were picked, and how high they were ranked on many lists.

Dower-Nilsson was drafted because he was Edvinsson best friend , but now look at him , playing first line for Frolunda . I don't remember we have so many first line players in the wj , Edvinsson, Mazur, Sebrango. Niederbach is #1 or 2 center on the very good team.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Dower-Nilsson was drafted because he was Edvinsson best friend , but now look at him , playing first line for Frolunda . I don't remember we have so many first line players in the wj , Edvinsson, Mazur, Sebrango. Niederbach is #1 or 2 center on the very good team.

He was drafted because he’s good. Hakan was pounding on the table for Draper to get him.

 

[Gniwder]

Mazur said in the intermission interview on nhl network that the player on the wings he looked up to and patterns his game after is Darren Helm and that's why he wears number 43.

With or without hands?

 

[lilidk]

He was drafted because he’s good. Hakan was pounding on the table for Draper to get him.

Actually both , hear it's Draper interview 2021 draft

 

[RedWingzz]

Mazur is unreal. What a surprise for an over-age 3rd rounder. Had the USA game on the other day and my wife (who is a Leafs fan) kept seeing #34 for Team USA and said "this guy looks like Auston Matthews out there" without knowing that he's a Wings pick. Obviously he's not gonna be Matthews, but something tells me we have a gem in this 3rd round pick...

He looked good again last night even though he didn't put up any points.

 

[waltdetroit]

Carter Mazur tracker
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For the contest against Sweden, we will focus on Carter Mazur.

USA vs. Sweden final score, results: USA hang on for close win, complete perfect preliminary round at 2022 World Juniors | Sporting News

USA secures the top spot in Group B, which sets up a quarterfinal matchup vs. Czechia.

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[Run the Jewels]

He was drafted because he’s good. Hakan was pounding on the table for Draper to get him.

I knew nothing about him but liked the name, so it got my approval on draft day. Also ya know Hakan Andersson is good at scouting.

 

[jaster]

He was drafted because he’s good. Hakan was pounding on the table for Draper to get him.

LDN gonna play in the next WJC in December?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I knew nothing about him but liked the name, so it got my approval on draft day. Also ya know Hakan Andersson is good at scouting.

If it makes you feel better LDN got 3 points in the first preseason game of the year for Frolunda and is playing with 2 Frolunda legends.

The 2021 draft class is realgud for Detroit.

LDN gonna play in the next WJC in December?

He f***ing better. The kid should have been at the WJC THIS year.

 

[jaster]

He f***ing better. The kid should have been at the WJC THIS year.

Given how sad this Swedish roster looks, it would seem that that is true.

This kid still possibly a center? I assume he was a winger in this preseason game you mentioned?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Given how sad this Swedish roster looks, it would seem that that is true.

This kid still possibly a center? I assume he was a winger in this preseason game you mentioned?

Frolunda has him playing wing next to Joel Lundqvist right now so I would expect a full season there and maybe he plays center next year or the year after that. In J20 LDN was solidly a center. It's just the SHL way to have the young kid play wing until they are deemed ready for the defensive responsibilities at center.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Actually both , hear it's Draper interview 2021 draft

At about the 6 minute mark Draper mentions Hakan pounding the table for him.

It's crazy to me that LDN wore the C for Sweden at the U18 but gets left off the U20 team for Sjoberg, Ljungmann, Stakkestad and Stjernborg. Replacing any of these guys in Sweden's lineup is a major improvement.

 

[Preposterone]

At about the 6 minute mark Draper mentions Hakan pounding the table for him.

It's crazy to me that LDN wore the C for Sweden at the U18 but gets left off the U20 team for Sjoberg, Ljungmann, Stakkestad and Stjernborg. Replacing any of these guys in Sweden's lineup is a major improvement.

Agreed. Sweden could barely posses the puck below the goal line last night. LDN lives below the circles

 

[jaster]

Frolunda has him playing wing next to Joel Lundqvist right now so I would expect a full season there and maybe he plays center next year or the year after that. In J20 LDN was solidly a center. It's just the SHL way to have the young kid play wing until they are deemed ready for the defensive responsibilities at center.

Yep, that's why I figured he was playing on the wing. Even without playing center yet, he's getting a major opportunity, and that's what's really piqued my interest in this kid recently. Excitement level rising.

I'll be really interested in watching this kid in December, assuming he's in the tournament. I'd like to get a better feel on whether he projects better as a center or winger. Because on one hand, his scouting reports sound a lot like what we're seeing from Mazur right now. On the other hand, he's been described as doing that ("that" being fitting in well on a line with more skilled players) from the center position. High IQ, knows where to be and when to be there, good compete.... again, sounds a lot like Mazur. Question will be, is his combination of skating and skill good enough to stay in the middle at the highest level (assuming he gets there).

If Mazur and LDN both end up being hits, you've got excellent complementary players for your two middle lines. Couple of force multipliers like Bert is currently a force multiplier for the top line.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Agreed. Sweden could barely posses the puck below the goal line last night. LDN lives below the circles

I think Sweden tries to build a team to beat Finland but then forgets that they also have to play Canada, USA, (normally) Russia, Czechia and Slovakia. That program needs to evolve.