Prospect Info: 6th Overall Pick Moritz Seider, Defence, DEL

[ricky0034]

it's not entirely fair since obviously there was no way of knowing where exactly we would be drafting this year and who exactly would be available but something that kinda annoys me is even though I actually like Zadina and don't know much about Seider but am willing to be convinced i'd rather have one of last years defensemen and a forward from this year(say Boqvist and Zegras or Hughes and Boldy or whatever the exact names aren't important to this point) than the reverse that we ended up with,especially considering that defensemen take longer to develop in general

 

[GettingYourMoms]

it's not entirely fair since obviously there was no way of knowing where exactly we would be drafting this year and who exactly would be available but something that kinda annoys me is even though I actually like Zadina and don't know much about Seider but am willing to be convinced i'd rather have one of last years defensemen and a forward from this year(say Boqvist and Zegras or Hughes and Boldy or whatever the exact names aren't important to this point) than the reverse that we ended up with,especially considering that defensemen take longer to develop in general

I agree, i am about to change my nick name, Zadina is bust, Hughes would be much better choice.

 

[WaW]

Is he AHL eligible?

Send him to Owen Sound for a year (I think they own his rights). Look at what the year in the O did for Hronek. And more within Seider's draft range, Boqvist and Sergachev playing a year in the CHL did wonder's for their development.

Compare that to Liljegren who the Leafs just crammed in the A which looks like it was a bad idea.

 

[obey86]

Send him to Owen Sound for a year (I think they own his rights). Look at what the year in the O did for Hronek. And more within Seider's draft range, Boqvist and Sergachev playing a year in the CHL did wonder's for their development.

Compare that to Liljegren who the Leafs just crammed in the A which looks like it was a bad idea.

To be fair, they also put Sandin there his first year and he seems to have done very well. There's not one prescription for every prospect, everyone develops differently.

 

[SCD]

The reality is this was a top five draft. From #6 on, there was no consensus.

You can only trade back when there is a willing partner, and Holland may have made the same selection. Yzerman watched this kid in December, and has been on his radar ever since. He certainly fills a need, and we will get another high pick next year.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Meh after Larkin proving me so wrong years ago I know better to bash picks right away.

Who did you want instead of Larkin at the time?

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

 

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[Maverick41]

I love that you've actually watched so many of his games, thanks for sharing your insights on Seider.
I'm curious about your thoughts on his injuries which kept him out of a chunk of his DEL games. Anything to be worried about there? I know he missed two separate clusters of games with an injury to the same shoulder, does he seem fragile or injury prone to you?

So far it's nothing to worry about. If it would be an issue, I can tell you that I would have heard about it from sources straight out of Mannheim. I was more worried about his injury at the WC, when Nagy boarded him, but luckily they played it safe and kept him out for some games. So nothing to tell here really. He's fine.

What amazed me with his injuries that he never missed a beat. All three times he came back after missing some games he was immediately better than before his injury. They just did not seem to affect him at all. Especially after his first shoulder injury I was pretty worried that it would make him become more tentative again and he would lose some of his physical play, but quite the contrary he got even more engaged and started to push people around more than ever. His play along the boards and in front of his own net only became more assertive.
His second shoulder injury worried me less. It was less severe and he had already shown that he could come back stronger and he did again.

On this third injury during the World's I completely agree with zecke.
It was sad to see him miss those games, but it was the right call, and again he came back in the QF vs. Czech Republic and played maybe his best game of the season.

Should he stay in Germany and play in the DEL next season, I will probably watch almost every game, but I could see him go to North America right away, and by now I have learned my lesson on underestimating him, so I would not even be surprised anymore if he stuck in the NHL. I don't expect it, but I would not be shocked.

 

[klozge]

Congrats guys! You might hate the pick now but Seider is going to be good.

 

[Go Wings]

Hey, I didn't like the Rasmussen pick. I'm just not completely down on this pick like I was with Rasmussen. I'm taking a wait and see approach in this case.

Me too I am in a wait and see approach. But like I said this is not like the Bertuzzi pick.

Since following the draft and prospects more closely since 2005 I have learned to just be patient and see how it all plays out. There were lots of times I was wrong about a player and lots of times I was wrong. I am not a scout just a huge Wings fan that wants his team to win.

 

[Hockey Know it all]

Yeah, he got a guy who can be found in literally every free agency period, and is years away from hitting a middle pairing ceiling.

Wrong. You haven’t watched Seider have you? A lot of people say he is second best Dman in this draft.

Keep in mind, he played in the DEL the whole year. Dominated at international tournaments(at least was the best player).
You’re out to lunch if you think Seider is a bad pick.

 

[BondraTime]

You guys are going to love this guy.

 

[Hockey Know it all]

Then why not pick a guy projected in the 5th round first overall?

Again, why do you bash everything wings even though you’re a wings fan. It’s so weird to me.

 

[Hockey Know it all]

Buddy, the rankings you are looking at don’t mean ****.

Barrett’s Hayton was ranked 11-20 and was picked #5. And you know what? If Arizona didn’t take him at #5, Chicago was fully prepared to take him at #6. But you would never know that based on the info we have to go off of.

These GM’s have a good idea where guys are going to go.

Uhm the wings picked sixth last year bud

 

[Ricelund]

Seider's scouting reports remind me of Jiri Fischer. Good comparison?

 

[DocWho81]

There was buzz of people trying to trade for the 6th pick. But Yzerman apparently didn’t like what they were selling, mainly because of who/what they were giving up for it combined with who they wanted to get. I’m wondering if maybe a couple of teams in the 7-10 range had begun showing interest in Seider, as well, so Steve jumped.

 

[Richard Gibson]

his nickname in Mannheim is The Diamond.

 

[Richard Gibson]

@GMillerTSN
At the most recent World Hockey Championship, I sat with Detroit coach Jeff Blashill and watched Germany play. A forward tried to take Moritz Seider wide, but he pivoted, closed the gap effortlessly and pinned the forward against the boards. Blashill had a huge grin on his face

 

[waltdetroit]

https://thehockeywriters.com/moritz-seider-2019-nhl-draft-prospect-profile/https://thehockeywriters.com/moritz-seider-2019-nhl-draft-prospect-profile/

I liked that following quote

NHL Potential

Seider looks to be a very high-end talent in the draft. At this point in his young career, he looks like a top-two defenseman at the very least. He could even be that number one, defensive cornerstone that teams covet if he continues to take strides forward as he has.

 

[WaW]

To be fair, they also put Sandin there his first year and he seems to have done very well. There's not one prescription for every prospect, everyone develops differently.

Sandin had already spent a year in the OHL though. The transition year in NA jr. did wonders for him too.

Junior is the best place for players like this at his age to get 25-30 minutes a night in all situations while also adjusting to the NA game. Id personally rather see Seider get full exposure than play 10-15 sheltered (still valuable, but also sheltered) minutes a game in the AHL at 18. Learn the NA game in the O, then at 19 go to GR ready to contribute in all situations getting 20 minutes a night

 

[DetroitRed]

I felt like they weren't going to be able to trade up, going into the draft. However, they were trendsetters in the first round like they wanted to be: Holland ended up doing the same thing with the 8th OA pick, although Holland picking Broberg over Soderstrom and York is, I think, more controversial than taking Seider over Soderstrom and York.

The fact that Detroit wanted to trade up because they felt like the forwards available wouldn't create as big an impact, says a lot. And once Turcotte and Dach were gone, it did get pretty tough especially with the Krebs injury.

Also, you can draft according to what most people are saying and go home with a forward who is supposedly BPA. However, they essentially did that year after year. Eventually, you reach a point where you have to take one of your supposed BPA forwards and trade him down for a defender who you didn't reach for anyway.

So, I mean, if your plan was to trade up to take a certain defender because you need defense, okay it didn't work out completely as planned, but you still got the guy you wanted to trade up for. You still got your defenseman.

 

[haulinbass]

I can't criticize the pick.

Hronek in my eyes has already shown he is a #3+ going forward. Cholowski has a very good chance of being a 3+ as well. Seider has already shown glimpses at just 17 years old that he can hang with NHL players. Even if Seider doesn't hit his offensive potential being a offensively productive TWD, he likely ends up a top 3 shut down guy who will make good outlet plays out of his own end. Maybe he won't contribute to a ton of points, but he will surely be able to contribute to the teams offensive play.

The reality is that we only need a core of 3 really good players on defense. 4-6th defender are interchangeable, if we don't have the guys within our system already to fill those roles any given season, they can easily be found in free agency. I also think one of Hronek or Cholo have the ability to grow into a legit 1PP guy. We could be set on D with a little (not in need of a lot) of luck.

If Yzerman didn't feel that there was legitimately a center with elite potential available at 6 and just saw players who are likely not going to be much better 50ish point 2nd line players. Consider that you need to realize outside of the top 2 picks its very unlikely to get a player much better than a 2nd liner. I think potentially locking up our D was a great move. Now we pray we are in draft position to land that game breaking 1C next draft. Had we selected a center with this pick and next season found ourselves with a top 5 selection and Yzerman feels that there is actually an elite center available who we have to draft, then when the hell are we going to fill our D needs? Sure, D can be found later but its very unlikely we are one of the 31 teams that find those late 1st/early 2nd elite D. On top of that, D not only typically take longer to make the NH but also take longer to mature at the NHL level becoming players you can actually win with. We can't keep drafting D with 2nds and crossing our fingers, it could come back to kill us whenever we do draft that elite center.

With that said, I was very high on selecting Zegras 6th. But I mean none of us are pro scouts either. Some of us are pretty respectable at analyzing players, but lets face it, we just aren't at the level of these guys. I have no reason to doubt Yzerman and until he proves otherwise so I'm going to stand by his decision here.

 

[GettingYourMoms]

I liked that following quote

NHL Potential

Seider looks to be a very high-end talent in the draft. At this point in his young career, he looks like a top-two defenseman at the very least. He could even be that number one, defensive cornerstone that teams covet if he continues to take strides forward as he has.

I am not sure he is high end talent, but he is for sure very safe pick. I think he will be good defenseman, but not better that Hronek, unless he improve his offensive game.