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Prospect Info: 6th Overall Pick Moritz Seider, Defence, DEL

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Wish I was in the area...would have definitely snagged some tickets to see him at the Development Camp
 
Oddbob said:
Thing is, the scouting reports aren't necessarily saying anything really negative about him, but there doesn't appear to be anything glowing in their reviews of him.
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Except for the parts about his first pass, physical defensive play, hockey iq, maturity, character and recent development.

If Cholowski and Seider put in a couple more years like their last couple...
 
IF Holland made this pick this board and most of Wings nation would’ve gone absolutely ballistic.

Not that I’m mad. Because truthfully I like that Stevie just went for it. Shows that he’s confident in the pick and isn’t afraid to make bold choices for the teams outlook.

I didn’t know who he was really. Only really know of what I learned today. He’s intriguing. And after Larkin proving many people wrong I’m excited but to see what happens with this dude.
 
Scouts rated him as 2nd or 3rd best D-man behind Byram. Maybe it was as simple as "We want a D" and they made the choice that way.
 
ShanahanMan said:
Absolutely awful pick. I have to think this is Wright. I can't imagine Yzerman would be this daft.

We're 5th worst in scoring and we pick a guy project to be at BEST a 4th defenseman with no offense. Probably wouldn't have even gone in the first round.
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Our other big need is at center and all that was left were a bunch of kids that will likely max out as second liners. I'll take a good 4th Dman over a 2nd line center any day.
 
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golffuul said:
Scouts rated him as 2nd or 3rd best D-man behind Byram. Maybe it was as simple as "We want a D" and they made the choice that way.
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I think it was as simple as seeing him play against NHLers against the US team in the exhibition game of the WC and he continued to impress throughout the tournament. I don't think any of the other D available would have been nearly as composed playing at that level.
 
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Yzerman repeatedly stressed that he was picked because he's a smart player that makes the smart play.

The guy played with Nick Lidstrom for 15 years. It's not surprising he saw that and was drawn to it. And no, I'm not comparing Seider to Lidstrom.
 
FWIW from pronmam

  1. Detroit Red Wings: Moritz Seider, D, Mannheim-DEL
April 6, 2001 | 6-foot-4 | 198 pounds
Seider played all season in the top German pro league and was impressive in the World Championships for a U18 player. He looked good for a 17-year-old but never stood out versus men until the end of the season. At the IIHF U20 B pool, though, we saw the best of Seider. He was the best defenseman in the tournament as a double underage player. He’s got great athletic tools as a 6-foot-4 defenseman who skates well. He uses his feet to join attacks often and can make plays at speed. Seider’s main criticism from scouts is his lack of standout puck skill and that he won’t be a true power play guy in the NHL. With that said, he has decent touch and makes plays. He moves the puck well, showing great poise and instincts. Defensively he’s a rock with his wingspan, feet and defensive acumen, and projects as a tough minutes player in the NHL. He is one of the best German prospects in recent memory.
Germany U20 coach Christian Kunast on Seider: “The most impressive thing about Moritz is that he competes every shift – when he steps on the ice he wants to win. He sees the game very well and that makes him special. He’s also a very good skater.”
Team Fit: In Seider, the Wings get a player who a lot of teams were interested in and speculated may go in this range but weren’t 100 percent sure if would happen. NHL sources describe him as a bit of a mystery because of how little he played for his club team, but he impressed NHL folks a lot in international play, such as at the U20 B pool and the World Championship. It’s an aggresive play for me, especially since there are some questions on the offensive upside, but I know a lot of teams who were big believers in Seider. This will be one of the most fascinating picks of the past decade and one of the gutsiest. GM Steve Yzerman is known for making gutsy picks, selecting the injured Brett Connolly at sixth-overall, the tempermental Tony DeAngelo in the top 20 and goalie in Russia in Andrei Vasilevskiy in the first round.
 
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While Seider isn't who I had on my list in that range, I can't even be mad because as I saw it, after the 2nd pick, the draft was really wide open. Seider will at worse be a 2nd pair defensemen. The upside is that he could be the next Pietrangelo if he puts it all together. We shall see.

But honestly I love this pick for a whole other reason: it shows that Yzerman has absolute confidence in his process. He knew that the media and other teams had Seider going at 10 at the earliest, but with an uncertain cap and ELCs being more valuable than ever, worthwhile trades were hard to come by. It was cool to see that when it came right down to it, rather than accepting a less than stellar offer, he made the choice to just go for it. That is more important than any one pick could ever be. Now we enter the territory where he has historically cleaned up, Day 2.
 
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DInTheB said:
I assume Seider hasn’t been taken in an Import Draft yet. Perhaps he winds up in Saginaw next season?
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I read he can turn pro immediately, so he can already play in the AHL. He already played in the top men's league in Germany and represented Germany in the World Championships for men even though he was only 17 and scored 2 goals so I think he can keep up with the pros already at least at the AHL level. Many of the players he played against in the World Championships were NHL players and he seemed to have done well at that level, so I think he is a bit more advanced than the other younger players in the top 10 and might even make the NHL faster than the other kids. He seems to be quite developed defensively already which makes his chances of making the team and getting good minutes the AHL quite promising. However, I can't vouch for his potential offensive ceiling which seems to be why he was rated a bit lower.
 
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TheMoreYouKnow said:
If you consider that he, as an 18 year old, played in a pairing with Dennis Seidenberg at the World Champs and was by no means the weaker link in that pairing...and then consider that Seidenberg's played nearly 900 games in the NHL and won a Cup...there's an argument here that a lot of this mid 1st round projections were made before then and never properly updated taking the World Champs into account.
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That's the other Seidenberg you're talking about. Dennis Seidenberg wasn't at the world's this year
 
I dont think its hard to see why he was picked where he was. He has all the tools physically (skating, size, athleticism), and the hockey IQ to go with it. The only question mark is his offensive potential.
 
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I'm glad Seider got picked by the Wings and didn't end up on a team I can't stand. haha. Kid could turn out to be a real stud, last season & his play at the WC were quite promising.
 
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Nut Upstrom said:
I love that you've actually watched so many of his games, thanks for sharing your insights on Seider.
I'm curious about your thoughts on his injuries which kept him out of a chunk of his DEL games. Anything to be worried about there? I know he missed two separate clusters of games with an injury to the same shoulder, does he seem fragile or injury prone to you?
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So far it's nothing to worry about. If it would be an issue, I can tell you that I would have heard about it from sources straight out of Mannheim. I was more worried about his injury at the WC, when Nagy boarded him, but luckily they played it safe and kept him out for some games. So nothing to tell here really. He's fine.
 
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vladdy16 said:
No it doesn't. If Cholowski, Hronek and Seider all pan out, we're still short a top 4 guy.

If anything you could argue Cholowski and Hroneks presence made it easier for the Wings to make this pick.
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Lindstrom, McIsaac, Kaski. All three guys are at least semi-intriguing. I'm not sold on Cholowski making it as a guy who won't need to be sheltered his whole career, but there is certainly room in the league for high scoring blue-liners.
 
cjeagle said:
I read he can turn pro immediately, so he can already play in the AHL. He already played in the top men's league in Germany and represented Germany in the World Championships for men even though he was only 17 and scored 2 goals so I think he can keep up with the pros already at least at the AHL level. Many of the players he played against in the World Championships were NHL players and he seemed to have done well at that level, so I think he is a bit more advanced than the other younger players in the top 10 and might even make the NHL faster than the other kids. He seems to be quite developed defensively already which makes his chances of making the team and getting good minutes the AHL quite promising. However, I can't vouch for his potential offensive ceiling which seems to be why he was rated a bit lower.
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I bet he will see NHL ice next season. Question is how many games.
 
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