HFsNumber1Heel
FKA Roo Returns...Still A Contrarian Apparently
Not in particular lol. He came here and tried to be a goal scorer all of a sudden. I met him back in the day, nice guy.
Post-Game Talk: #5 - 10/13/18 | oilers @ RANGERS | 1:00 - MSG
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Not in particular lol. He came here and tried to be a goal scorer all of a sudden. I met him back in the day, nice guy.
HFsNumber1Heel
FKA Roo Returns...Still A Contrarian Apparently
What first? Tampa has to get their head out of their you know what's before even thinking about Cup contention. Yzerman doesn't call the shots anymore. 95% it's a second.
Tawnos
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How would we replace Skjei? We don’t have another quality young defenseman.
HFsNumber1Heel
FKA Roo Returns...Still A Contrarian Apparently
Rangers have many good D prospects, but they're all in the 1-3 years away range. Hajek is probably the closest and we'll see how Lindgren progresses.
offdacrossbar
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if the tank is real, you promote a kid and play the remaining guys.
skjei on a real good team is a 2nd pair guy at best.
right now, even with brady, we have no true 1st pair. we just dont. whats the difference really if we can add a willy nylander you got do it.
defensively, even with 76, we stink.
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
I’m not saying he’s a bust, but man does he look awful on the top pair.
If he were having his trouble with big bodies along the boards, I would be less troubled given his skill set, but...
He’s getting undressed, and that’s concerning because he is a very good skater, so one on one battles with the danglers should be his forté.
The McIlrath pick looks as bad as it ever has at this point.
But also, why do you keep saying we've never drafted elite players except Hank — like drafting the best player this franchise has ever had except Brian Leetch, just doesn't count...
I mean, of teams that have been as competitive as us over the same time-frame here, who has done a better job drafting elite talent? The comparable teams are what, San Jose, Pittsburgh, Washington, Detroit, Boston. Boston and Washington are probably the only two you could say has outdone us (Pasternak and Kuznetzov).
Then there's the 'whut even is elite' side of it. I swear I've seen you call Kreider elite multiple times...
Machinehead
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I'm talking about since Sather took over, so no, Brian Leetch doesn't count.
Who's done a better job drafting elite talent? Well there's 31 teams, so do the math. Not to mention Pittsburgh, Washington, Boston, and Detroit have something slightly important during that time-frame that we don't.
Kreider is an elite possession player, not an elite player.
I said Hank, not Brian Leetch... seriously?
Why truncate the question? Yes, there's also 31 picks; which have the highest probabilities of elite talent and where have we been picking. do the math? Pittsburgh and Washington are great examples of that... And sure, it'd be nice to have won a cup, but that doesn't really reflect on whether they drafted well or not in this conversation does it? or was there another reason you didn't mention San Jose...
Whatever. Words are words. I went to an 'elite; college. What qualifies it as elite? Ask them, it's the education. Ask me, it's the $s I owe in student loans.
Machinehead
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Misread that. Still, stumbling upon a generational goalie in round seven. Lots of luck there. Yeah, good pick, but they've shown a total inability to do that at any other position. Goaltenders are a different breed.
The only reflection that matters is the Stanley Cup. I used to not think that, but then I had to watch Washington win one. To me, that made 2012-2015 pretty meaningless, having to see our biggest rival from those years get it done. Yes, some of those teams lucked into high picks, you're right. Especially Pittsburgh. That doesn't change the fact that probably half of the elite players in the NHL were taken outside of the top 5, nor does it excuse the Rangers from being inept at the draft. This team is inept at identifying elite talent at the draft. I'm not sure how you even argue that point.
They haven't drafted 60-point forward since Tony Amonte. Tony Amonte was alive during the Civil War.
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
You have an elite student loan interest rate.
egelband
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You got it. Building a team isn’t a “zero sum game”. Sometimes a well-built team fails. Sometimes a crummy team just gets hot and lucky. Also health. The rangers have been solid but as many say, not drafted elite talent. That’s all true.
I think the team management has put the team in a position to succeed though a lot of factors have conspired to keep them from the big prize. There is no one way to win. I suppose one could quibble with the rangers have drafted. But outside of one big swing-and-miss id say they’re doing ok with what they have. I don’t know but I’ve watched a lot of sport over the years (modern era, I mean. Before the 60s and 70s the economics and rules were really different). And there have been very few dynasties and usually those teams come together more by luck than by great management. Not saying bad management can’t screw up a good thing and our guys have been bad. But they’re doing well over the last ten or so years. They’ve learned. They’ve made reasonable choices.
KirkAlbuquerque
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the sick thing is, every team aside from ours has a player who is already or will soon become an elite player. I cant think of a single team besides the Rangers who doesn't have one. Maybe Arizona?
KirkAlbuquerque
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I tried doing that with the Jets the last 3-4 years. Helped a little, but every time i'd catch a Jets game every so often it would still ruin my Sunday lol. The Rangers play much more frequently, gonna be tough to avoid the games, especially since im way more into hockey than football.
I’m not sure, but personally I’ve never been a fan of Clarke. His record in the first round if dubious at best, and this team is going to have to start hitting homeruns in the draft, something he hasn’t proved capable of doing.
eco's bones
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Anyway as far as the tank. I don't want my team just going through the motions. I think it's dangerous not to put out your best effort towards winning on each and every night. I don't want to see our players dogging it just to get a higher draft position.
As far as the officiating I expect some level of competency. Yesterday afternoon--fine for the first two periods but bullshit in the third. The failure to call a penalty on Garrison for hauling down Hayes from behind and then almost immediately handing out a bogus penalty to Namestnikov which leads to the game winning goal--the first (Garrison on Hayes) was an easy call for any referee at almost any level wether said referee was certified or not. That's a call that I expect even a recreation league ref to make practically every time. Missing that was so bad that IMO they should be embarrassed. As well the Staal penalty was another bogus call. I'm not going to say that these calls cost us two points but IMO we probably go to OT and get one anyway.
On those who want us to lose every game so as to get Hughes or Kakko. I don't know what you guys are bothering watching the games at all for. I haven't got that level of masochism. Do I think this team is going to the playoffs? No. Even so a team should try its hardest to do exactly that. Once it gets to February/March maybe if there's another purge losing as much as possible makes sense but you still want your young guys playing their hearts out and whatever vets are left showing them the right habits.
As far as the officiating I expect some level of competency. Yesterday afternoon--fine for the first two periods but bullshit in the third. The failure to call a penalty on Garrison for hauling down Hayes from behind and then almost immediately handing out a bogus penalty to Namestnikov which leads to the game winning goal--the first (Garrison on Hayes) was an easy call for any referee at almost any level wether said referee was certified or not. That's a call that I expect even a recreation league ref to make practically every time. Missing that was so bad that IMO they should be embarrassed. As well the Staal penalty was another bogus call. I'm not going to say that these calls cost us two points but IMO we probably go to OT and get one anyway.
On those who want us to lose every game so as to get Hughes or Kakko. I don't know what you guys are bothering watching the games at all for. I haven't got that level of masochism. Do I think this team is going to the playoffs? No. Even so a team should try its hardest to do exactly that. Once it gets to February/March maybe if there's another purge losing as much as possible makes sense but you still want your young guys playing their hearts out and whatever vets are left showing them the right habits.
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So much more overreaction after this game. Ah, it was in the afternoon and it was a kids game at the Garden.
Refs are in on the tank. 3 losses out of 4 with their help. Any other season I’d be furious at so many games so far with inexcusablely bad calls, but knowing that in the context of the full season it won’t matter I’m taking it in stride.
Kids development is not a straight line. This wasn’t a strong game but these will happen. Chytil has been struggling for a stretch now.
I get it that Quinn is looking for line combos that will work but it’s too much. Figure out what you think should work and stick with it for 4-6 games then move on if it doesn’t. New combos each game and even within games is too much and becomes counterproductive.
Refs are in on the tank. 3 losses out of 4 with their help. Any other season I’d be furious at so many games so far with inexcusablely bad calls, but knowing that in the context of the full season it won’t matter I’m taking it in stride.
Kids development is not a straight line. This wasn’t a strong game but these will happen. Chytil has been struggling for a stretch now.
I get it that Quinn is looking for line combos that will work but it’s too much. Figure out what you think should work and stick with it for 4-6 games then move on if it doesn’t. New combos each game and even within games is too much and becomes counterproductive.
Amazing Kreiderman
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Alright. I'll explain: Yes, I want the Rangers to get a high draft pick. Does that mean I root for them to lose? No.
However, if we lose I don't really feel a bad as I usually would. I also look for positives in a loss. I look at what our young guys are doing. Howden's goals, Chytil's rushes up the ice. That's what I look for during a rebuild
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AV always had a nice suit with a matching tie, I'll give him that. Probably thanks to his wife
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We went from 30th to 7th on the organizational prospect depth chart in a year so I think the last 2 years have been productive. We only have 2 guys we drafted in this current rebuild on this team so I think its premature to judge whether this rebuild is working or not. Hajek, Lindgren,Anderson, Kravtsov, Ronning, Day, Shestyerkin, Miller, Lindqvist etc have all yet to get to the nhl they will add to Howden, Chytl, Pionk, ADA, Skjei, etc etc. Its funny because everyone embraced the rebuild, it's a 3 to 5 year process but now people wanna squash it 5 games in. To quote Babcock in toronto theres gonna be pain to get to where we need to be. I like what in seeing so far from the kids on the team, they seem to be learning the game the right way and that's what matters most at this point.
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AV always had a nice suit with a matching tie, I'll give him that. Probably thanks to his wife
Yes, the only difference between AV being Jack Capuano the former 80s pop star turned homeless man, was his suit. At least we had that boys!
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