Post-Game Talk: #5 - 10/13/18 | oilers @ RANGERS | 1:00 - MSG

[ReggieDunlop68]

I'm not really understanding your point.
He's here now but just needs a little polishing.
JG was adamant about developing him and LA as centers so who would say that a 19 isn't a center just because he needs a little more time to adapt?

What if a lot of people over rated him because they spent too much time watching highlites on Youtube and it became a meme?

Maybe this is what he is.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I don't know, somebody besides Gorton?

Since 2000, this FO has drafted ZERO elite players, outside of the crease. Now all of a sudden they're going to draft a 1C, a 1D, and a complimentary winger capable of taking us all the way? Definition of insanity.

And sure, they haven't picked high and now they will. But plenty of elite players aren't taken high. Zero in 18 years. At some point, maybe we have to acknowledge that they can't identify it.

They drafted no lower than 5th since Staal, and until last off season, they have never made any indication let alone explicitly say “it’s time for a rebuild”.

They also did not have a first round pick at one point at all for 4 years straight let alone picks in the top 3.
My faith is that now that the MSG renovation is complete and profited from and Dolan moved on from Optimum, they are drafting with the intention of a full build.

 

[Machinehead]

They drafted no lower than 5th since Staal, and until last off season, they have never made and indication let alone explicitly say “it’s time for a rebuild”.

My faith is that now that the MSG renovation is complete and profited from and Dolan moved on from Optimum, they are drafting with the intention of a full build.

I get that, but we're still trusting the same people who couldn't build it to begin with to rebuild it.

To say they've never succeeded in bringing in elite talent is "just because they never did a full rebuild before" is a huge cop-out.

It's been almost two decades. If we were capable of identifying elite talent, we would have drafted some of it by now.

 

[Machinehead]

Not to mention with our highest pick in a long, long time, they took a guy with almost no chance of being an elite player.

That's not to say Andersson isn't a good prospect, but it sort of renders the "they just haven't drafted high enough" excuse irrelevant.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I get that, but we're still trusting the same people who couldn't build it to begin with to rebuild it.

To say they've never succeeded in bringing in elite talent is "just because they never did a full rebuild before" is a huge cop-out.

It's been almost two decades. If we were capable of identifying elite talent, we would have drafted some of it by now.

I’m saying that when people thought Sather “built it wrong”, I’m saying that during his tenure, the Rangers have been unbelievably profitable overall, secured and now gaining revenue from a 3 stage renovation of a NYC miditown arena, and have a franchise that is worth more than some baseball teams [equity price] in a fickle city where there is barely any people even play the sport let alone know how to skate.

It’s my belief that they will do better because the priorties have changed.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Not to mention with our highest pick in a long, long time, they took a guy with almost no chance of being an elite player.

That's not to say Andersson isn't a good prospect, but it sort of renders the "they just haven't drafted high enough" excuse irrelevant.

I still think Lias has more potential than Chytil, so I wouldn’t junk that pick yet either.

And there are high picks and super high picks.

Over time, it has been apparent that there are exponential differences among player potential moving from 7-5 , 4-2, and obviously number 1.

 

[NYR]

Sacrificing is part of competition.

You don’t find it embarrassing icing weak expensive teams to appease the box leases or wasting hall of fame careers because they have to buy **** to fill the holes from poor drafting positions?

I’m going to let you in on a little secrect. For many decades, the MSG brass didnt ice those ****ty yet expensive star laden teams because of pride.

I've been around long enough to pick up on most secrets surrounding this team and I can sit here and give you a million reasons why I don't think this current management group isn't capable to pull this rebuild off successfully but I don't want to derail the thread any further.
If you look at my post history it will be more than obvious so without getting into it to much, I will say that this rebuild isn't taking place just because "it was time", it's taking place because JG's master plan completely backfired in his face.
He made all the wrong moves and had no choice but to abandoned ship..

 

[Machinehead]

I’m saying that when people thought Sather “built it wrong”, I’m saying that during his tenure, the Rangers have been unbelievably profitable overall, secured and now gaining revenue from a 3 stage renovation of a NYC miditown arena, and have a franchise that is worth more than some baseball teams [equity price] in a fickle city where there is barely any people even play the sport let alone know how to skate.

It’s my belief that they will do better because the priorties have changed.

The priorities have changed by has the ability to draft changed? I don't see why it would.

This is bar-none the worst team in the NHL at drafting high-end talent over the course of 20 years. And you're sitting there telling me they'll draft a championship core.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Anyway, my “selective memory” seems to recall you were for tearing it down because of the overwhelming evidence that taking such method is the best probabilty of long term success.

Unfortunately, I have once again gone against my gut instinct and tried to have a discussion with you because I was hoping we were actually discussing something instead of dancing around the obvious in some passive aggressive faux incredulity.

No worries from now on.

 

[Machinehead]

Anyway, my “selective memory” seems to recall you were for tearing it down because of the overwhelming evidence that taking such method is the best probabilty of long term success.

Unfortunately, I have once again gone agaisnt my gut instict and tried to have a discussion with you because I was hoping we were actually dicussing aomething instead of dancing around the obvious in some passive agressive faux incredulity.

No worries from now on.

I was never for tearing it down and anybody on here will back me up on that.

So yes, you're remembering selectively again.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I've been around long enough to pick up on most secrets surrounding this team and I can sit here and give you a million reasons why I don't think this current management group isn't capable to pull this rebuild off successfully but I don't want to derail the thread any further.
If you look at my post history it will be more than obvious so without getting into it to much, I will say that this rebuild isn't taking place just because "it was time", it's taking place because JG's master plan completely backfired in his face.
He made all the wrong moves and had no choice but to abandoned ship..

We are 5 games into the plan.

You just can’t chill out for a bit and you and other New Yorkers dig their own grave of mediocrity with it.

 

[Machinehead]

Being for or against tearing it down is beside the point anyway.

I'm against the same old front office getting chance #1000 to build it back up.

 

[cheech70]

Good honest effort. McDavid was the difference. I guess we are waiting for a dman to get injured to straighten out rotation. Pionk ADA should be in every game.

 

[NYR]

What if a lot of people over rated him because they spent too much time watching highlites on Youtube and it became a meme?

Maybe this is what he is.

Haha...WELLLA
I'd really like to believe that this scouting staff didn't do that but I'm beyond surprises at this point lol.
Either way, there are no guarantees but he's not doing bad so far and you have to consider the fact that he's making a huge jump into the big game here.
Is he being rushed?
He's still a puppy..

 

[Machinehead]

Good honest effort. McDavid was the difference. I guess we are waiting for a dman to get injured to straighten out rotation. Pionk ADA should be in every game.

But we had to go and get McQuaid to clear the crease.

Did a great job clearing the crease against 12-year-old RNH today.

 

[NYR]

We are 5 games into the plan.

You just can’t chill out for a bit and you and other New Yorkers dig their own grave of mediocrity with it.

I'm totally chill bro but whenever something's done to completely contradict common sense, I really bothers me..
If you want to watch paint dry, be my guest

 

[Thirty One]

But we had to go and get McQuaid to clear the crease.

Did a great job clearing the crease against 12-year-old RNH today.

In his defense, he appears to be distracted by something shiny in the corner.

 

[Machinehead]

In his defense, he appears to be distracted by something shiny in the corner.

Understandable.

The lighting in the renovated Garden really makes them sparkle.

 

[Crease]

In his defense, he appears to be distracted by something shiny in the corner.

The new Jagermeister ad.

 

[Larrybiv]

Officiating may have cost us 4 points this year so far. Unacceptable.

If we are indeed trying to make the PO's, then yes the officiating was once again......pathetic.

I don't often say this, but that 3rd was rigged.

Nether do I, and surely seemed that way, then I thought........and my question is.........since when the officials are on OUR SIDE, and trying to help us have a better lottery pctg.?

All kidding aside (actually, I wasn't kidding) this team cannot afford having an officiating crew that cannot see their toes, nor the top line on an eye chart.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Man. We are going to lose a ton more games this season. Chill out everyone we need to spread out then venom over a whole season .

 

[mrhockey193195]

Love the way this team has played the last two games. Henrik is sharp, today was the best game for Kreider and Zib. Buchnevich and Chytl still haven't shown much, albeit in limited ice time (though that hasn't stopped Howden from making an impact). I thought Brendan Smith was excellent today, reminiscent of the end of 16-17 when we got him at the trade deadline.

 

[will1066]

I'm more concerned with the veteran forward playing 20 minutes and doing nothing than a first year rookie who plays under 9 minutes.

He played 19 games last year. That's a quarter of a season basically. 1-4-5 in 19 games.

 

[Mikos87]

This was a game with two bad teams, playing a game where they don't try to make mistakes. The Rangers trapped for the majority of the game with a dump and chase zone entry.

The guys that aren't fond of that system, or ineffective saw the bench. Spooner, Buch, Lettieri.

Others played very well, but the chances were limited.

What struck out to me is just how bad this group is at passing the puck, especially east west. Lots of mistakes or botched possessions as a result.

 

[will1066]

Love the way this team has played the last two games. Henrik is sharp, today was the best game for Kreider and Zib. Buchnevich and Chytl still haven't shown much, albeit in limited ice time (though that hasn't stopped Howden from making an impact). I thought Brendan Smith was excellent today, reminiscent of the end of 16-17 when we got him at the trade deadline.

Names also continued to play well.