Prospect Info: 47OA: Brady Cleveland

[The Zetterberg Era]

I think we will sign him after his junior year. I know people hate the pick, but because of his skating and willingness to be physical I am intrigued by this selection. Not only will the top 4 be big and wearing on teams but your third pairing PK specialist is a big physical guy that skates well. He is going to have to get better with the puck, but I at least want to see him at Wisconsin. It is a quality league where we can see how he improves.

 

[RabidBadger]

The few Cholo fans trying to make this out like it's not a complete garbage pick.

Brady is going to need 4 years in college, then he's UFA. It's not really even worth discussing. If he becomes Orpik V2.0, it'll be with a different team. Then we'll really hate him, because he does know how to hit and likes to do it.

So what you're saying is people who were wrong about Cholowski are pumping this pick to prove a point? That's some real mental gymnastics there. You are right; it's not worth discussing.

I'm still waiting to see who said this was a great pick that has the nay-sayers panties wadded up. Name the posters, then connect the dots to Cholowski. Easy task.

 

[Gniwder]

So what you're saying is people who were wrong about Cholowski are pumping this pick to prove a point? That's some real mental gymnastics there. You are right; it's not worth discussing.

I'm still waiting to see who said this was a great pick that has the nay-sayers panties wadded up. Name the posters, then connect the dots to Cholowski. Easy task.

No, I'm just saying some people are overly optimistic to the point where their opinion is basically useless. You are the one playing some really weird mental gymnastics. Like really weird, lol.

So basically you're saying this isn't a great pick but you and the Cholowski lovers just want to argue with people anyways. OK.

 

[RabidBadger]

No, I'm just saying some people are overly optimistic to the point where their opinion is basically useless. You are the one playing some really weird mental gymnastics. Like really weird, lol.

So basically you're saying this isn't a great pick but you and the Cholowski lovers just want to argue with people anyways. OK.

No, the Cholowski reference is the lol really weird issue at hand. I'm sure that non-sequitor makes perfect sense to you. In case you hadn't noticed no one is arguing it is a bad pick, just saying give it a chance.

Wait, why am I trying to reason with someone who thinks Dennis Cholowski has anything to do with this thread? Silly me.

 

[Gniwder]

No, the Cholowski reference is the lol really weird issue at hand. I'm sure that non-sequitor makes perfect sense to you. In case you hadn't noticed no one is arguing it is a bad pick, just saying give it a chance.

Wait, why am I trying to reason with someone who thinks Dennis Cholowski has anything to do with this thread? Silly me.

Oh, I posted a link last week to one of the Cholowski threads in the Kasper thread, and the Cholowski thread has the same people that are now arguing for Brady. It was a cross thread comment.

Always the same people pumping prospects no matter how bad they are. At a certain point their opinions become meaningless. Some people never change no matter how many times they were wrong. I've been around for a while, I stopped listening to the board hype after Ouellet and Sproul, lol.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

So what you're saying is people who were wrong about Cholowski are pumping this pick to prove a point? That's some real mental gymnastics there. You are right; it's not worth discussing.

I'm still waiting to see who said this was a great pick that has the nay-sayers panties wadded up. Name the posters, then connect the dots to Cholowski. Easy task.

They don't exist. He's either intentionally misrepresenting the situation in order to stir the pot or he's completely delusional. Neither would surprise me with that guy.

Either way, now that this narrative exists I'm going to choose to root for Brady to make it more than all our other prospects combined. As soon as they announce his number I'm going to order a jersey, get a tattoo of his face on Thor's shirtless body raising the Stanley Cup, and change my adult son's name to Cleveland. Please visit my new website, clevelandistherealgoatbrady.com

 

[ricky0034]

Cholowski and Cleveland are such radically different players

throw in the fact that Cholowski was drafted under a completely different GM and Scouting director that both aren't even with the organization anymore and any comparison between them just feels so weird and forced

 

[Shaman464]

Cholowski and Cleveland are such radically different players

throw in the fact that Cholowski was drafted under a completely different GM and Scouting director that both aren't even with the organization anymore and any comparison between them just feels so weird and forced

For a lot of reasons. Cholowski was a bust, but he was drafted about where he was supposed to go. The insult to injury to that was trading down and passing on a very good defender to try to chase Stamkos. Cleveland is a reach. He was drafted way higher than he should have. This is very likely a wasted pick from the second it was made. But, its a second round pick and most second round picks never really see the NHL anyway. They didn't pass over any sure fire better players that will make the NHL. They just picked the dumbest lottery ticket possible in a sea on lottery tickets.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Frankly, if you want to look like the smartest guy in the room (with or without watching draft-eligible hockey) the single best thing to do is predict that everyone taken outside of the first round will bust. It isn't very hard.

 

[RRhoads]

I still don't get how people get so worked up by a second rounders bust potential.

 

[Pavels Dog]

When people refer to moving the puck they aren't typically referring to shots on goal.

So now points and goals actually don't matter in evaluating a defensive d-man?

Frankly, if you want to look like the smartest guy in the room (with or without watching draft-eligible hockey) the single best thing to do is predict that everyone taken outside of the first round will bust. It isn't very hard.

Exactly. Some of the people who are negative about every pick try to flex about being right about some of them as if it's not just the statistically most likely outcome.
This is that dude's take on Mazur:

I don't mind the pick except it should have been in the 4th round. At the same time, I think the 4th and 5th round picks could have gone a round higher, so it's a wash.

The kid throws his body around, and Helm is his favorite player. If he winds up being a slightly slower version of pre-back injury Helm, he might the league as an energy 4th liner. Past the first 2 rounds, just making the league is a draft win. Helm would actually go first round in a 2005 re-draft (based on points or games played), but that was a really crappy draft year.

It's not a complete garbage pick like Kienan, I'm not gonna get mad by the reach. Good luck to this kid though, it's gonna be a tough road for him I think.

No one here is saying Cleveland will be an NHLer, some of us just want to wait a little before calling him a bust.

 

[norrisnick]

So now points and goals actually don't matter in evaluating a defensive d-man?


Exactly. Some of the people who are negative about every pick try to flex about being right about some of them as if it's not just the statistically most likely outcome.
This is that dude's take on Mazur:

No one here is saying Cleveland will be an NHLer, some of us just want to wait a little before calling him a bust.

Goals don't necessarily matter, no. I don't get as hung up on goals as much as some do. But assists do happen if you effectively move the puck in and out of zones.

Well, was his USNTDP career a success? Or was it more on the bust side of things? I'm sure things will get easier for him as he moves up in difficulty...

 

[Pavels Dog]

Well, was his USNTDP career a success? Or was it more on the bust side of things? I'm sure things will get easier for him as he moves up in difficulty...

They won 50 out of 63 games which seems successful.

Eliteprospects wrote this about him:

“He’s a huge, long, mean, tough, and physical defenseman. He’s going to play in the NHL as a match, shut down that kills penalties and impacts games with his physicality and defending. He won’t be a guy that scores or points but he’s going to be a really valuable player in the NHL and will make highlights with his hitting.”

NTDP coach said this:

“You just don’t see many kids play like he does in today’s game and when you do have someone like Brady, it impacts the entire lineup. But I think the other big thing with Brady is his play in his own end. He’s got a great stick, he kills plays, he can skate and I thought he did a really good job moving pucks up for us. Plus he was someone we trusted a lot on the penalty kill. So with all of those and his physical element, he can add a dynamic that not every team has.”

Another coach said this:

“I think his overall game has come a long way but he’s one of the better tough, stay-at-home defensemen we saw this season and he’s extremely hard to play against. I think his skill has gotten better too, but he’s a force on the back end and that’s the type of guy teams love to have back there.”

Doesn't sound like a guy we should pencil in as a bust right away, but we may have to double-check so that none of those people ever liked Cholowski's game.

 

[Henkka]

People were whining about Yzerman not drafting from NTDP and when they draft two guys, it's still same, all whining.

 

[Leadzedder]

I like the pick.

If it was a 3rd instead of a 2nd it would seem to be a great pick but whatever. The pick is spent. Root for him making it. Would be a great add to the team if he makes it.

As for Cholo, I wasn’t on or off the cholo train. Detroit prospect with potential. Hopeful. Didn’t pan out. It happens. But he certainly looked good there for a minute. The consensus on the board during that time was very lofty.

The need to be right over wrong on these boards is sad. Just cheer for the team and it’s players / prospects.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

Giant Radko Gudas. I can see the appeal.

 

[heyfolks]

I don't follow prospects well enough to say when he should have been drafted but I do like the idea of a big, tough, stay at home D'man for a 3rd pairing with a don't mess with our water bug wingers attitude. Now if he can kill, even better. Developed in the USA program is a good sign. Off to Wisconsin for the beer battery B. Smith formative years and then of to GR to see if he has the same toughness in the A. I am sure, 3 years from now, someone taken later will be better... or will they?!

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

I don't follow prospects well enough to say when he should have been drafted but I do like the idea of a big, tough, stay at home D'man for a 3rd pairing and don't mess with our water bug wingers. Now if that is 3rd pairing and he can kill, even better. Developed in the USA program is a good sign. Off to Wisconsin for the beer battery B. Smith formative years and then of to GR to see if he has the same toughness in the A. I am sure, 3 years from now, someone taken later will be better... or will they?!

I don't think it's too early to start discussing Cleveland going 1st overall in a redraft.

I haven't been this excited about a new jersey since the signed, game worn Cholowski jersey I have hanging above my 21 Forever shrine.

 

[heyfolks]

I don't think it's too early to start discussing Cleveland going 1st overall in a redraft.

I haven't been this excited about a new jersey since the signed, game worn Cholowski jersey I have hanging above my 21 Forever shrine.

The irony of a Red Wings jersey that has CLEVELAND stitched on the back isn't lost on me.

As for the discussion, some may flip the 4 and 7.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Giant Radko Gudas. I can see the appeal.

But how good is he at screaming at goalies and shattering their confidence?

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

But how good is he at screaming at goalies and shattering their confidence?

He's no JT Miller.

 

[heyfolks]

He's no JT Miller.

... or sean avery

 

[haulinbass]

I haven't really evaluated this prospect, but considering what you guys claim of him. It makes sense the Wings targeted him. You can't have 4 Seiders on the top 2 pairs, you just don't get that luxury in this league. If Edvinsson ends up a offensive capable #2, you don't pair him with Seider. You run Seider on the top pair and Edvinsson on 2nd pair. You can't just spend a bunch of cap to slot guys in next to them. You don't even want highly offensive guys competiting for puck time against those guys. Ideally, what you would want is a very large defensively capable defender who can skate well enough, a player that isn't going to demand a crazy cap hit. You let Seider and Edvinsson thrive and make the plays with that defensive support behind them. If Edvinsson doesn't pan out, we have some other promising guys who hopefully can take that spot. So, I think there is a little anticipation in this move and sometimes you got to gamble if you feel good enough about it. What an enormous defense that would be if it all worked out. It's not a dumb move considering how unlikely you are to not even get an NHL player at all by pick 47, let's be realistic.

 

[newfy]

I didnt realise for all the freaking out in this thread, he was taken only 19 spots earlier than Bob Mckenzies list had him. For a late 2nd round pick, going ~half a round early, especially when the wings had that many picks shouldnt be such a scandal. But here we are I guess

 

[jaster]

I didnt realise for all the freaking out in this thread, he was taken only 19 spots earlier than Bob Mckenzies list had him. For a late 2nd round pick, going ~half a round early, especially when the wings had that many picks shouldnt be such a scandal. But here we are I guess

I'm mad you're not mad.