Prospect Info: 47OA: Brady Cleveland

[izlez]

I didnt realise for all the freaking out in this thread, he was taken only 19 spots earlier than Bob Mckenzies list had him. For a late 2nd round pick, going ~half a round early, especially when the wings had that many picks shouldnt be such a scandal. But here we are I guess

I'm on team R-E-L-A-X, but from what I'm seeing he was ranked #90 on Mckenzie's list. Taken at #47. That's 43 spots.

 

[newfy]

I'm on team R-E-L-A-X, but from what I'm seeing he was ranked #90 on Mckenzie's list. Taken at #47. That's 43 spots.

The article I was reading must have been using the mid season ranking I guess? Not sure

 

[raymond23]

He seems more like a mustard guy

 

[Sparty]

I didnt realise for all the freaking out in this thread, he was taken only 19 spots earlier than Bob Mckenzies list had him. For a late 2nd round pick, going ~half a round early, especially when the wings had that many picks shouldnt be such a scandal. But here we are I guess

I think people get really attached to the prospects they want and when the Wings don't draft them, there's this lashing out at whoever was taken instead. I'm not into it nearly as much as most people on here and I don't get it, but this is kind of how I have rationalized it...no idea if it's true or not.

 

[rawraw]

I think people get really attached to the prospects they want and when the Wings don't draft them, there's this lashing out at whoever was taken instead. I'm not into it nearly as much as most people on here and I don't get it, but this is kind of how I have rationalized it...no idea if it's true or not.

I think you nailed it.
For the record, NHL Central Scouting had him at 64 and Bob McKenzie at 66.

 

[Frk It]

I think you nailed it.
For the record, NHL Central Scouting had him at 64 and Bob McKenzie at 66.

Cleveland was ranked 90th on Bob’s final ranking.

Intrigue and excitement in the Year of Connor Bedard at the NHL Draft | TSN

The 2023 NHL Draft is about so much more than just the phenom who will go first overall to the Chicago Blackhawks in Nashville, Bob McKenzie writes. Scouts are very enthused about the depth of this year’s class.

www.tsn.ca

 

[simonedvinsson]

Cleveland was ranked 58th overall by Recrutes, where he was also ranked 4th best "defensive defenseman". They gave him especially high marks on skating and compete. I won't post the whole writeup, but here are some excerpts:

• A player his size who hits hard, plays with an edge, and skates well is most likely to be off the draft board by the end of the second round.
  
• “He has big-time jam,” noted one scout. “He's a big guy. I think his skating is going to be fine. He can skate, he can annihilate guys. But he better keep it simple. He runs guys. He's rugged.”
  
• Scouts figure some team will step up to take him in the second round because of his unique package of size, grit and mobility.
  
• “What are all of the trade deadline acquisitions? That type of defenceman," noted a scout. "You overpay for a David Savard and Ben Chiarot.

 

[ricky0034]

• “What are all of the trade deadline acquisitions? That type of defenceman," noted a scout. "You overpay for a David Savard and Ben Chiarot.

 

[Ezekial]

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You want Chiarot on the team in 4 years?

 

[Henkka]

Cleveland was ranked 58th overall by Recrutes, where he was also ranked 4th best "defensive defenseman". They gave him especially high marks on skating and compete. I won't post the whole writeup, but here are some excerpts:

• “What are all of the trade deadline acquisitions? That type of defenceman," noted a scout. "You overpay for a David Savard and Ben Chiarot.

So somebody is gonna overpay for Cleveland, when Yzerman will trade him at the 2032 deadline.

 

[Henkka]

I'm on team R-E-L-A-X, but from what I'm seeing he was ranked #90 on Mckenzie's list. Taken at #47. That's 43 spots.

Same thing with Mazur and Hanas.

Hanas was ranked ~110, taken at #55.

Mazur was something like ranked as 6th-7th rounder on average, at highest at 128-137th as a 5th rounder. Taken at #70, 3rd round.

Just regular things to happen. You take your guy.

 

[Frk It]

Same thing with Mazur and Hanas.

Hanas was ranked ~110, taken at #55.

Mazur was something like ranked as 6th-7th rounder on average, at highest at 128-137th as a 5th rounder. Taken at #70, 3rd round.

Just regular things to happen. You take your guy.

It’s not the straying from the consensus, it’s the complete lack of an offensive game and offensive tools.

Those other two guys tracking decent says nothing about Cleveland. Hanas and Mazur both had a much better offensive game. As evidence as then both being able to put up some points the year they were drafted.

 

[13to40]

It’s not the straying from the consensus, it’s the complete lack of an offensive game and offensive tools.

Those other two guys tracking decent says nothing about Cleveland. Hanas and Mazur both had a much better offensive game. As evidence as then both being able to put up some points the year they were drafted.

Brady was not drafted for his offensive output though. He’s drafted to be a hard nosed hitting blue liner who’s excellent in his own end. Think of Radko Gudas or Erik Cernak. If you’re hoping he turns out a la Makar or Karlsson, then you’ll be vastly disappointed.

I think I’m one of the few who love this pick. The debate is more that he was drafted a bit sooner than projected, but this type of player is exactly what the prospect pool is lacking and what the current roster is even lacking.

If he develops and makes the big team one day, I think he will become a crowd favourite and everyone crying wolf about him being selected will have a change of heart.

 

[SoupNazi]

I think people get really attached to the prospects they want and when the Wings don't draft them, there's this lashing out at whoever was taken instead. I'm not into it nearly as much as most people on here and I don't get it, but this is kind of how I have rationalized it...no idea if it's true or not.

This is true. Back in the day people lashed out at Larkin. I understand not liking picks, but you really can't judge 2nd round picks too well for a couple years.

Now if we had 1OA and took Cleveland over Bedard? Sure. Scream.

 

[Frk It]

Brady was not drafted for his offensive output though. He’s drafted to be a hard nosed hitting blue liner who’s excellent in his own end. Think of Radko Gudas or Erik Cernak. If you’re hoping he turns out a la Makar or Karlsson, then you’ll be vastly disappointed.

I think I’m one of the few who love this pick. The debate is more that he was drafted a bit sooner than projected, but this type of player is exactly what the prospect pool is lacking and what the current roster is even lacking.

If he develops and makes the big team one day, I think he will become a crowd favourite and everyone crying wolf about him being selected will have a change of heart.

In general I like adding a player with his skill set to our group.

The issue is that the task of re building is so hard that you should not use one of your premium assets (top 2 round picks) on a player like this.

Those are 2 different things.

Guess it also comes down to how valuable/impactful you think defenseman are that provide little to no offense. My answer might be different than yours as far as that goes.

 

[ricky0034]

Brady was not drafted for his offensive output though. He’s drafted to be a hard nosed hitting blue liner who’s excellent in his own end. Think of Radko Gudas or Erik Cernak. If you’re hoping he turns out a la Makar or Karlsson, then you’ll be vastly disappointed.

I think I’m one of the few who love this pick. The debate is more that he was drafted a bit sooner than projected, but this type of player is exactly what the prospect pool is lacking and what the current roster is even lacking.

If he develops and makes the big team one day, I think he will become a crowd favourite and everyone crying wolf about him being selected will have a change of heart.

this reminds me of the people that deluded themselves into thinking Givani Smith's concerning lack of offense at lower levels wouldn't matter

yeah no, at some point it still does

and Brady Cleveland makes Givani Smith look like Wayne Gretzky

 

[norrisnick]

this reminds me of the people that deluded themselves into thinking Givani Smith's concerning lack of offense at lower levels wouldn't matter

yeah no, at some point it still does

and Brady Cleveland makes Givani Smith look like Wayne Gretzky

Yeah, it's a matter of scale.

Cleveland has goaltender levels of offense/puck movement. That is not easily overcome as you go up in levels.

The NHL has a long history of long time defenseman with sub 0.20 PPG careers. But without fail these guys were 0.50+ PPG in Juniors/college by their draft years.

 

[Henkka]

It’s not the straying from the consensus, it’s the complete lack of an offensive game and offensive tools.

Those other two guys tracking decent says nothing about Cleveland. Hanas and Mazur both had a much better offensive game. As evidence as then both being able to put up some points the year they were drafted.

We have multiple defencemen with offensive tools, too. We are not lacking anything on skill department on the current prospect core.

It's like you could not draft anything else but skill players. That goes nowhere as a draft plan, either.

 

[13to40]

In general I like adding a player with his skill set to our group.

The issue is that the task of re building is so hard that you should not use one of your premium assets (top 2 round picks) on a player like this.

Those are 2 different things.

Guess it also comes down to how valuable/impactful you think defenseman are that provide little to no offense. My answer might be different than yours as far as that goes.

If we didn’t already have 3-4 good offensive defensemen prospects who I think will be apart of the roster for many years to come, then I would agree with you 100%. But we have a luxury in that department to try and fill out another important category on the back end.

 

[13to40]

this reminds me of the people that deluded themselves into thinking Givani Smith's concerning lack of offense at lower levels wouldn't matter

yeah no, at some point it still does

and Brady Cleveland makes Givani Smith look like Wayne Gretzky

Again, Brady wasn’t drafted at all for his scoring and offensive output. His style of play is needed on a roster and right now we don’t seem to have anyone that plays the game the way he does. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the last player who was drafted and played the same way was Albin Grewe except he was quite a bit shorter and didn’t pan out.

Givani smith was producing in the OHL and was supposed to become a gritty power forward who could net a few here and there.

 

[Frk It]

We have multiple defencemen with offensive tools, too. We are not lacking anything on skill department on the current prospect core.

It's like you could not draft anything else but skill players. That goes nowhere as a draft plan, either.

Until we are a good hockey team that is in the playoffs, I will say we are lacking in the skill department.

If we didn’t already have 3-4 good offensive defensemen prospects who I think will be apart of the roster for many years to come, then I would agree with you 100%. But we have a luxury in that department to try and fill out another important category on the back end.

We don’t have “the luxury” to do anything. Last I checked, we are a bad team still.

 

[13to40]

Until we are a good hockey team that is in the playoffs, I will say we are lacking in the skill department.


We don’t have “the luxury” to do anything. Last I checked, we are a bad team still.

Pretty sure you know better than I which prospects we have in the pipeline and what their qualities are.

This draft pick definitely isn’t a sexy pick. It’s a very, very ugly pick, it’s not supposed to be anything other than that. He’s mean, plays with an edge and if he develops as expected, the team has its own version of Gudas to compliment the play of Seider, Ed, wallinder, Ajo, Pellikka…

 

[RRhoads]

His ceiling is probably 3rd pair and PK specialist. I am curious to see how he turns out. He is probably not even finished growing.

 

[newfy]

this reminds me of the people that deluded themselves into thinking Givani Smith's concerning lack of offense at lower levels wouldn't matter

yeah no, at some point it still does

and Brady Cleveland makes Givani Smith look like Wayne Gretzky

The same kind of people who deluded themselves into thinking Bertuzzi was going to be available as an undrafted free agent at draft time?

Funny thing though is Smith is actually still in the league, unlike skilled second rounders like Tomas Jurco. Its almost like every player is their own individual and comparing them to other prospects at draft time is stupid based on skill sets alone.

Brady Cleveland is huge, physical, can skate and was considered a reach is the same prospect profile as Seider. Another guy people cried about. But youre going to compare him to a forward drafted in 2016. Cleveland is his own player, hes not Smith or Seider and your bad draft time takes are starting to pile up, so why dont you slow down on calling guys Givani Smith

 

[ricky0034]

The same kind of people who deluded themselves into thinking Bertuzzi was going to be available as an undrafted free agent at draft time?

Funny thing though is Smith is actually still in the league, unlike skilled second rounders like Tomas Jurco. Its almost like every player is their own individual and comparing them to other prospects at draft time is stupid based on skill sets alone.

Brady Cleveland is huge, physical, can skate and was considered a reach is the same prospect profile as Seider. Another guy people cried about. But youre going to compare him to a forward drafted in 2016. Cleveland is his own player, hes not Smith or Seider and your bad draft time takes are starting to pile up, so why dont you slow down on calling guys Givani Smith

more like the same kind of people who thought Sebrango was better than Wallinder


Smith was just an example of how low production transfers to the next level as much as people pretend that it doesn't

that Jurco comparison is a bit silly considering Jurco currently has around twice as many career NHL games as Smith does and Smith only played 6 minutes a night last year and only played 5 minutes of 1 game in Florida's Playoff run