GDT: #39 - 12/31/19 | RANGERS @ oilers | 9:00 - MSG, NHLN

[egelband]

That was a follow through after a clearing attempt and therefore not a call. You guys who complain about officiating just don’t get it. Quinn complains after every call — every single one— and he does it visibly which the refs view as showing them up( I’ve officiated hockey for 22 years.). There are ways to disagree with officials and still show respect, send the captain over, call the ref over between periods at the start before the cameras are back on, during a tv timeout when the cameras are not on,etc and Quinn chooses the opposite. He shows them up and makes a scene. It’s a low class move and it’s why not a single official gives him a break. He’s developed a reputation as being a guy who shows them no respect( its obvious because this issue with the Rangers getting screwed is not isolated to one game here and there) and no he is suffering. It’s a ballsy move for a second year coach with literally no track record in the NHL to take. We can just add it to the list of Quinn failures.

Or the refs could just call it as they see it.

 

[JHS]

Posted this in the Quinn thread but I think it applies here as well—

Last night vs the Oilers is yet another example of how Quinn directly cost this team points. Besides several mistakes( taking a timeout rather than changing goalies when down 3-0 in the first) his own behavior behind the bench, acting like a petulant 3 year old after he did not get some calls and mocking the referee which resulted in the Oilers getting the 6th goal is just pathetic. Quinn just does not get it, this is the NHL, not D1 college. Show the officials some respect and maybe they will start showing him some. The same 40 something guys referee every game he will be involved in for however long he remains in the NHL( increasingly looking like a short time) and maybe he should consider his own behavior. Last night he embarrassed himself going after Ian Walsh whose officiated in the league for over 15 years and worked the playoffs several years. Quinn looked like a fool and allowed his bench to fall apart.

No one could have predicted the third period comeback at the time but he’s got to stop with this absurd childlike behavior on the bench!

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

If indeed it comes to light there is something nefarious with the officiating I bet the narrative is that the officials are victims... not paid enough, surrounded by so much opulence, inferiority complexes, ptsd, depression from fan and player anger, confusion from league directives... “We had no choice. They drove us to it!”

The response in probably more like:

Hey...it's a living...

 

[JHS]

Or the refs could just call it as they see it.

They do but hockey is filled with 100’s of judgement calls a game. Human nature kicks in and the close call goes the other way if you’ve been treated like garbage by the coach.

Defend Quinn all you want but the results speak for themselves— his team never gets the benefit of the doubt and he has no one to blame but himself!

 

[NCRanger]

The calls on Lindgren are indefensible and EVERY coach in the NHL would have been screaming about it.

 

[BreadKick]

Just now had a chance to see the game.

The master gave a masterclass for all the youth. First, with nice result of 0-6 he showed that EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE in game of hockey. And then finally made a mistake to lose the game as just to say that there is no gods on the ice...

I really cant imagine how big impact can have such a player for the young kids. In few years they will contend for the cup. And honestly I dont care if the Master will still be in his prime - his job will be already done.

Today I thought that he will end in the HOF and possibly will see his jersey on the rafts. I am happy to witness his game each time.

 

[JHS]

The calls on Lindgren are indefensible and EVERY coach in the NHL would have been screaming about it.

Sure I agree but it’s how he went about doing it that is the problem. There was no need for him to publicly embarrass the referee. That’s never going to work and has lasting impacts beyond just that game. Send the captain over to wait outside the ref crease and ask for an explanation. That’s literally how good coaches handle this since about the Bantam level. Why Quinn feels like he needs to throw a tantrum and act like a brat, to me is reflective of the massive ego and the “ I’m always right” philosophy we see in so many other ways. Refs don’t have to deal with that and it showed when Walsh shooed away Kreider and would not even explain the call. He clearly felt he was shown 0 respect and was not about to show Quinn any. In all honesty, good for Walsh and maybe Quinn will learn his lesson after last night.

 

[egelband]

Posted this in the Quinn thread but I think it applies here as well—

Last night vs the Oilers is yet another example of how Quinn directly cost this team points. Besides several mistakes( taking a timeout rather than changing goalies when down 3-0 in the first) his own behavior behind the bench, acting like a petulant 3 year old after he did not get some calls and mocking the referee which resulted in the Oilers getting the 6th goal is just pathetic. Quinn just does not get it, this is the NHL, not D1 college. Show the officials some respect and maybe they will start showing him some. The same 40 something guys referee every game he will be involved in for however long he remains in the NHL( increasingly looking like a short time) and maybe he should consider his own behavior. Last night he embarrassed himself going after Ian Walsh whose officiated in the league for over 15 years and worked the playoffs several years. Quinn looked like a fool and allowed his bench to fall apart.

No one could have predicted the third period comeback at the time but he’s got to stop with this absurd childlike behavior on the bench!

Quinn is not the only coach to ride the refs and I doubt he’s the worst.

 

[egelband]

The calls on Lindgren are indefensible and EVERY coach in the NHL would have been screaming about it.

In my opinion, last night - six to one power play discrep - was a special case. Beyond the annoying (at-best) Score Management, I think there was something personal in this game. Be it something heavy like gambling, or simply hometown/fan bias and sticking it to Quinn.

 

[The S5]

Sure I agree but it’s how he went about doing it that is the problem. There was no need for him to publicly embarrass the referee. That’s never going to work and has lasting impacts beyond just that game. Send the captain over to wait outside the ref crease and ask for an explanation. That’s literally how good coaches handle this since about the Bantam level. Why Quinn feels like he needs to throw a tantrum and act like a brat, to me is reflective of the massive ego and the “ I’m always right” philosophy we see in so many other ways. Refs don’t have to deal with that and it showed when Walsh shooed away Kreider and would not even explain the call. He clearly felt he was shown 0 respect and was not about to show Quinn any. In all honesty, good for Walsh and maybe Quinn will learn his lesson after last night.

The game isn't about the refs. They are there to do their job, no more. If a coach is going at them too hard, all they need to do is skate over, give him a warning and if he persists, give him a bench minor.
If they let their perception of a coach bleed over into what calls they make on the ice, they have no business refereeing at the NHL level. I don't want to hear any bullshit about human nature. Do your job. You are supposed to be the best of the best, act like it.

 

[TominNC]

Sure I agree but it’s how he went about doing it that is the problem. There was no need for him to publicly embarrass the referee. That’s never going to work and has lasting impacts beyond just that game. Send the captain over to wait outside the ref crease and ask for an explanation. That’s literally how good coaches handle this since about the Bantam level. Why Quinn feels like he needs to throw a tantrum and act like a brat, to me is reflective of the massive ego and the “ I’m always right” philosophy we see in so many other ways. Refs don’t have to deal with that and it showed when Walsh shooed away Kreider and would not even explain the call. He clearly felt he was shown 0 respect and was not about to show Quinn any. In all honesty, good for Walsh and maybe Quinn will learn his lesson after last night.

Sure he did. With the score what it was and no expectation of a comeback it was the perfect time for Quinn to let loose on one of these incompetents. Just like a baseball manager getting ejected, sometimes your players need to know you have their back. What the ref did this game is indefensible. I don't buy the gambling angle but the league needs to look into some of these horribly officiated games BEFORE the claims of gambling become more widespread.

 

[TominNC]

The game isn't about the refs. They are there to do their job, no more. If a coach is going at them too hard, all they need to do is skate over, give him a warning and if he persists, give him a bench minor.
If they let their perception of a coach bleed over into what calls they make on the ice, they have no business refereeing at the NHL level. I don't want to hear any bull**** about human nature. Do your job. You are supposed to be the best of the best, act like it.

Yep. Players get benched, lose ice time, get sent to minors for poor play. Coaches get fired for doing a poor job. The refs skate on. There needs to be more accountability. The league needs to show teams and the fans that there are consequences. The secretive handling of refs is BS

 

[chosen]

Just a reminder that the odds don't favor Quinn finishing his current deal, let alone getting a new one from the Rangers.

This applies to most coaches.

 

[JHS]

The game isn't about the refs. They are there to do their job, no more. If a coach is going at them too hard, all they need to do is skate over, give him a warning and if he persists, give him a bench minor.
If they let their perception of a coach bleed over into what calls they make on the ice, they have no business refereeing at the NHL level. I don't want to hear any bull**** about human nature. Do your job. You are supposed to be the best of the best, act like it.

I agree with you but you are being way to short sighted. These refs are humans and they will not respond well to Quinn’s behavior. It’s pretty obvious since most post game threads in this site are filled with guys complaining about the refs.

You are close to correct— the game is not about the refs but their job is to keep control of the game. If they allow the behavior of petulant coaches to go in checked they lose that control and lose the respect. They can’t do that.

Also, warnings at higher level hockey games are not things. I’ve been involved in too many to tell you. The way a ref handles it at high levels is he goes over and says exactly what occurred in his opinion and the coach responds either by accepting the explanation or throwing a fit. If he throws a fit the ref usually will allow it as long as it is not a personal attack or a visibly public display designed to embarrass the ref. Those are the two that are no go’s and by that level every coach knows that. I’ll warn a 10 year old coach but at the upper levels the coaches already know.

 

[chosen]

Is it possible there is an actual officiating bias against the rangers? I feel like we are transgressing beyond margins of error here

Everyone is against you or for you is never correct in sports, but lots of people think it's different for them. Wish more understood this, but I wish a lot of things about what people do and think.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

That was a follow through after a clearing attempt and therefore not a call. You guys who complain about officiating just don’t get it. Quinn complains after every call — every single one— and he does it visibly which the refs view as showing them up( I’ve officiated hockey for 22 years.). There are ways to disagree with officials and still show respect, send the captain over, call the ref over between periods at the start before the cameras are back on, during a tv timeout when the cameras are not on,etc and Quinn chooses the opposite. He shows them up and makes a scene. It’s a low class move and it’s why not a single official gives him a break. He’s developed a reputation as being a guy who shows them no respect( its obvious because this issue with the Rangers getting screwed is not isolated to one game here and there) and no he is suffering. It’s a ballsy move for a second year coach with literally no track record in the NHL to take. We can just add it to the list of Quinn failures.

Those refs are donkeys, call the game the way it should be, it isnt about them. Why should what a coach say to you hurt your feelings and alter a game? Be a professional. It used to be if the coach had a problem with the call the ref would come over and explain what happened but now the refs hide at the other side of the ice , its happening at every level and then they get their feelings hurt because someone is trying to get their point across 85 feet away from him. If they can't do their job they shouldnt be there, and their job is to make the calls on the ice, that's not what they did last night. Last night was the refs fault, they messed up the game long before Quinn said anything, so you can dump that narrative. If he says nothing then nothing changes, I'd argue he probably should have said something earlier because they finally stopped trying to steal the show and put their whistles away after the 2nd, which I'd say happened because of a call from higher ups , it's not rocket science, do the job you were hired to, leave your biases at home and call the game.
I never complain about officiating, you can look it up here but last night, those refs were really really bad.

 

[JHS]

Yep. Players get benched, lose ice time, get sent to minors for poor play. Coaches get fired for doing a poor job. The refs skate on. There needs to be more accountability. The league needs to show teams and the fans that there are consequences. The secretive handling of refs is BS

You are aware that every game these officials are evaluated and reports are written. Just like players and coaches, officials have bad games— should they be canned after one bad game? If you publically make evaluations available then those guys that are on the bottom will have even a harder time and I fail to see the point of that. As it should be, these types of critiques are handled behind closed doors!

 

[chosen]

I know there are some who post here who refuse to acknowledge it.

It seems every four to five games that someone is saying that it was the worst officiating they’ve ever seen.

At the risk of being called “conspiratorial”, I do believe there’s a bias against the Rangers. The officiating can’t be this bad and one sided randomly. It’s getting to where the games are so unenjoyable.

It’s not just penalties. There are at least two or three icing calls a game that aren’t. A pass was deflected or it was made across the red line. I don’t know if it is because of legal gambling, Quinn, or what, but I’m pissed off about it.

If you believe all of that and you continue to watch and care, it's pretty bizarre behavior. I wonder if any professional wrestling fans believe that the sport is out to get their guy.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

You are aware that every game these officials are evaluated and reports are written. Just like players and coaches, officials have bad games— should they be canned after one bad game? If you publically make evaluations available then those guys that are on the bottom will have even a harder time and I fail to see the point of that. As it should be, these types of critiques are handled behind closed doors!

If they let biases creep in like you said the did with regards to Quinn, then yes they should probably be sent to the AHL until they lose that attitude.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Everyone is against you or for you is never correct in sports, but lots of people think it's different for them. Wish more understood this, but I wish a lot of things about what people do and think.

"I beg to differ because I most certainly hate the New York Rangers."

 

[JHS]

Those refs are donkeys, call the game the way it should be, it isnt about them. Why should what a coach say to you hurt your feelings and alter a game? Be a professional. It used to be if the coach had a problem with the call the ref would come over and explain what happened but now the refs hide at the other side of the ice , its happening at every level and then they get their feelings hurt because someone is trying to get their point across 85 feet away from him. If they can't do their job they shouldnt be there, and their job is to make the calls on the ice, that's not what they did last night. Last night was the refs fault, they messed up the game long before Quinn said anything, so you can dump that narrative. If he says nothing then nothing changes, I'd argue he probably should have said something earlier because they finally stopped trying to steal the show and put their whistles away after the 2nd, which I'd say happened because of a call from higher ups , it's not rocket science, do the job you were hired to, leave your biases at home and call the game.
I never complain about officiating, you can look it up here but last night, those refs were really really bad.

Again, I agree that the refs had a bad game but Quinn is also a professional and he did not act that way.

Why would the ref skate over to a bench that is screaming at him? That’s only going to make it worse. If he’s called over quietly than he will go. They don’t “hide” they are taught to stay away and allow the coach to calm down before going over.

I know my take is not popular here and it’s easy to get mad at the refs but please consider what I’m trying to get across.

 

[chosen]

I actually think the refs are betting on the games.

No doubt they’re throwing bets down in between periods on in game lines.

And they always bet against the Rangers?

If you're going to fix a game, why wait until between periods?

No wonder this country is drowning in conspiracy theories.

 

[JHS]

If they let biases creep in like you said the did with regards to Quinn, then yes they should probably be sent to the AHL until they lose that attitude.

But every ref seems to have this issue with the Rangers. The only common thread here is Quinn.

 

[eco's bones]

That was a follow through after a clearing attempt and therefore not a call. You guys who complain about officiating just don’t get it. Quinn complains after every call — every single one— and he does it visibly which the refs view as showing them up( I’ve officiated hockey for 22 years.). There are ways to disagree with officials and still show respect, send the captain over, call the ref over between periods at the start before the cameras are back on, during a tv timeout when the cameras are not on,etc and Quinn chooses the opposite. He shows them up and makes a scene. It’s a low class move and it’s why not a single official gives him a break. He’s developed a reputation as being a guy who shows them no respect( its obvious because this issue with the Rangers getting screwed is not isolated to one game here and there) and no he is suffering. It’s a ballsy move for a second year coach with literally no track record in the NHL to take. We can just add it to the list of Quinn failures.

Until now anyway I haven't run into anyone who has ever really sat down to watch a game and rooted for the refs to win. If I get the point of your message though it's that the on ice officials around the league are more interested in trying to tame Quinn than they are doing their own f***ing jobs......which they are well paid to do with some semblance of fairness by the way. And the reason they should put their feelings aside is that it's not just the players who are privileged to play in the league but they are privileged as well to officiate and they owe a good job not just to the league and the teams that play in the league but also to the fans whom without the league wouldn't even exist. So if you're suggesting the idea that it's okay for the on ice officials to take out their anger and feelings on a coach who has gotten under the skin---I'm telling you it's not and you wouldn't have that standard for the off ice officials either. By the way they do their jobs better.

 

[haohmaru]

The calls on Lindgren are indefensible and EVERY coach in the NHL would have been screaming about it.

Except Tortorella. His head would've literally Scanners-style exploded on the bench.

That extra two was brutal for a scrum involving two players. I don't blame Quinn at all for losing his cool there.