GDT: #39 - 12/31/19 | RANGERS @ oilers | 9:00 - MSG, NHLN

[Shesterkybomb]

This is a bad coach. Might be good with the guys but the talent we have I’m watching. Way worse teams play with much more structure. I gotta think this is going to be Quinn’s last year. There are going to be good coaches avail DeBoer right now is out there I’d hire him today

Youngest team in the league, vets like Staal and Smith only make it worse, I wouldnt jump to judgement until the team is good. Deboer is an awful pick, I'm not saying Quinn is the best coach cus I wont know until he has a roster but I'd say Knoblauch is next in line imo.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I never complain about the refs, but last night they were bad and I'm assuming they got a call after the second period from the league because they were better in the 3rd. I dont feel there is a bias against us by the refs because this was the first really bad one I saw but those refs should be sent down, they cant ref at that level.

 

[usekakkorightquinn]

Yamamoto IMO was being show cased to Gorton last night. These teams have a trading history. Buchnevich is gone whether some like it or not. You can tell that Quinn has had it with him. Kreider is a much better player and even though he can be frustrating, I'd keep him any day over that dope Buchnevich.

 

[The S5]

These guys are far from incompetent. Just curious if you've ever officiated a high level hockey game? I don't mean that to insult you in anyway or even call into question your judgment- I just mean to see if you have any experience with the speed of the game even at that level. The highest level I've ever worked is low level junior hockey. Even the speed at that level which is probably 6 or so levels below the NHL and filled with guys who are just hoping maybe to get a shot at being a 4th liner at the NCAA level is so incredibly fast and filled with so many quick decisions that I can't even imagine how fast and tough the NHL is. I know a few guys who work the AHL and they always come back and tell stories about how incredibly fast the game is and how most of the time you are just trying to stay out of the way of the play let alone get every call correct. That league is filled with players who can't even crack an NHL lineup so that should tell you something right there.

I didn't want to go there but, no, I haven't reffed at that level but have played at a reasonably high level and have coached for many years.
Like I said, at the NHL level, I feel like these refs don't let grudges with coaches affect their calling of the game. If they did, it would affect every game they called since all coaches bitch at them at some point in time.
My biggest gripe is when refs interject themselves into the game. I don't think it happens to the extent that it does in baseball or football, but NHL refs are one of the only ones who can decide to stop making calls on clear penalties whether its at the end of game or in an effort to "level the game". Same can be said for playoff hockey when regular season rules seem to not apply.

 

[The S5]

By the way it’s time to switch Kakko and Buch. Buchy cannot do anything on that line that’s red hot. And frankly Buchy and Chytil have shown a ton of chem. Flip those two.

bring up Rykov I’m tired of watching Staal and honestly Lindgren. I think he’s at best a 6 7 dman.

A bit hasty to cast Lindgren as a 6-7 D. The kid is a rookie and has shown that he belongs. D tend to take a bit to reach their peak. Give the kid a chance.

 

[Kovalev27]

I’ve never been a big fan of Lindgren. I think he’s had some good games but mostly I’m unimpressed. Both Hajek and Rykov are better players.

 

[duhmetreE]

I’ve never been a big fan of Lindgren. I think he’s had some good games but mostly I’m unimpressed. Both Hajek and Rykov are better players.

What was that first period? woof

 

[The S5]

I’ve never been a big fan of Lindgren. I think he’s had some good games but mostly I’m unimpressed. Both Hajek and Rykov are better players.

Well, that's certainly an opinion. I like Hajek, but when he was playing he didn't show that he would be a more effective player than Lindgren. I haven't seen Rykov but he is an unknown at the NHL level. I hope he turns out better than Lindgren.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Btw these were the same refs Tortorella was furious with this past week.

 

[JHS]

Ok so you’re saying refs DO have some kind of system? Now how about a first year ref? Can DQ rip him a new one because he hasn’t “earned” whatever it is?

First year refs take a lot more crap than veteran refs do. Just the way it is.

 

[kovazub94]

Did you hear in early parts of the game Joe mentioned that Oilers had 5 total penalties in 4 games prior to last night? What about their opponents in those games? Now add last night. How’s that even possible unless there’s a mandate?

 

[JHS]

I didn't want to go there but, no, I haven't reffed at that level but have played at a reasonably high level and have coached for many years.
Like I said, at the NHL level, I feel like these refs don't let grudges with coaches affect their calling of the game. If they did, it would affect every game they called since all coaches ***** at them at some point in time.
My biggest gripe is when refs interject themselves into the game. I don't think it happens to the extent that it does in baseball or football, but NHL refs are one of the only ones who can decide to stop making calls on clear penalties whether its at the end of game or in an effort to "level the game". Same can be said for playoff hockey when regular season rules seem to not apply.

Yup totally agree and that’s why it is in the best interest of NHL coaches to pick their battles and not bitch and moan over every single call. I’m positive the officials don’t hold grudges but I’m also confident that the officials won’t give a disrespectful coach the benefit of the doubt especially when that coach has 0 track record.

 

[TominNC]

What is benefit of a doubt? If they’re calling this real time and with all the speed we hear about then their calls should be a reaction to seeing something with no time to think about coaches. Unless like the Lindgren one where 99% of the time it’s an automatic two each the ref had time to think, I’m going to screw Quinn. Well if that’s the case the ref should face repercussions.

 

[JHS]

What is benefit of a doubt? If they’re calling this real time and with all the speed we hear about then their calls should be a reaction to seeing something with no time to think about coaches. Unless like the Lindgren one where 99% of the time it’s an automatic two each the ref had time to think, I’m going to screw Quinn. Well if that’s the case the ref should face repercussions.

This is getting old at this point. If a coach has a reputation as being a complainer or has created a problem with a ref in the past, the ref won’t give the guy a break or his player the benefit of the doubt. Meaning ref sees the Ranger guy give a cross check and a jab he says to himself, “ I’ve got both on that play and only one against the Oilers.” Since Lindgren technically committed 2 penalties the ref enforces both where as he may not enforce both if he feels better respected by the coach. He won’t face repercussions because he did not make any mistake— it’s not like Lindgren actually did not commit the two penalties, he did but one was incredibly soft. If you don’t think that goes on you are kidding yourself.( you pretty much said it does in your own reply.). Quinn fights with the refs and he will continue to lose every single one of these fights.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

This is getting old at this point. If a coach has a reputation as being a complainer or has created a problem with a ref in the past, the ref won’t give the guy a break or his player the benefit of the doubt. Meaning ref sees the Ranger guy give a cross check and a jab he says to himself, “ I’ve got both on that play and only one against the Oilers.” Since Lindgren technically committed 2 penalties the ref enforces both where as he may not enforce both if he feels better respected by the coach. He won’t face repercussions because he did not make any mistake— it’s not like Lindgren actually did not commit the two penalties, he did but one was incredibly soft. If you don’t think that goes on you are kidding yourself.( you pretty much said it does in your own reply.). Quinn fights with the refs and he will continue to lose every single one of these fights.

No he won't, the refs are replaceable and the job is in high demand, if they arent calling the game the way the NHL outlines they wont be doing games anymore. If the league has a problem with Quinn spouting off to the refs they will deal with it, it's not up to some guy with small man syndrome to do that. The problem with refs is they feel they have some power finally because they have a whistle but if they continue to mess up like these guys did in Columbus and like they did last night they will be doing games in the AHL until they lose the attitude. Referees are supposed to call the game unbiased, by the rules and according to the way the NHL outlines it, it's no place to carry a grudge from game to game. Its unprofessional and I'm almost positive they were told at the end of the 2nd to smarten up. Quinn did the right thing to call them out on their inability to call the game. They are being paid well to do a good job and that's not what they did last night and its embarrassing to the NHL.

 

[Oilers in NS]

Doesn't look like anyone can shut down your top two. But those plus/minuses were shocking. Draisaitl has 61 pts and yet has a goal differential of -18? Alright he has 26 pts on the PP but still.... a minus 18? Me saying it should be a high scoring game, doesn't mean it will be a blowout. More like a shootout. It all comes down to how well we contain those two. Good thing Smith isn't starting in net. He kills us everytime. We can't deal with his puck handling.

u called it pretty good I must say. It was definitely a shoot out

 

[JHS]

No he won't, the refs are replaceable and the job is in high demand, if they arent calling the game the way the NHL outlines they wont be doing games anymore. If the league has a problem with Quinn spouting off to the refs they will deal with it, it's not up to some guy with small man syndrome to do that. The problem with refs is they feel they have some power finally because they have a whistle but if they continue to mess up like these guys did in Columbus and like they did last night they will be doing games in the AHL until they lose the attitude. Referees are supposed to call the game unbiased, by the rules and according to the way the NHL outlines it, it's no place to carry a grudge from game to game. Its unprofessional and I'm almost positive they were told at the end of the 2nd to smarten up. Quinn did the right thing to call them out on their inability to call the game. They are being paid well to do a good job and that's not what they did last night and its embarrassing to the NHL.

Refs are not on two way contracts. Once they get promoted to full time NHL status they stay there. The NHL has fired less than 5 refs in over 20 years and most that have left retire. The officials are also a sort of union that can fight any termination( it’s part of the reason they are ok with the evaluation process.) Sorry to let facts get in the way of the “ these refs are terrible and Quinn should be allowed to act a fool over it” narrative.

You guys can’t get it— the ref did call it by the book— if he’s called to task by the NHL he simply says “well it’s the jab and cross check that I see there and I felt I had to clamp down at that point.” Done end of discussion, but that’s assuming the NHL would even call him which they won’t. I’d guarantee you no one called them after the second. Again, once the coach is benched the next time he acts up the ref goes straight to a game misconduct. It’s in the rule book— but again sorry to let facts stand in the way of a real good conspiracy hoax.

You guys who defend Quinn are a riot to me. If you are honestly happy with this teams performance I can’t wait to witness the euphoria on display here once the team actually is playing well with a real NHL coach at the helm.

 

[TominNC]

No he won't, the refs are replaceable and the job is in high demand, if they arent calling the game the way the NHL outlines they wont be doing games anymore. If the league has a problem with Quinn spouting off to the refs they will deal with it, it's not up to some guy with small man syndrome to do that. The problem with refs is they feel they have some power finally because they have a whistle but if they continue to mess up like these guys did in Columbus and like they did last night they will be doing games in the AHL until they lose the attitude. Referees are supposed to call the game unbiased, by the rules and according to the way the NHL outlines it, it's no place to carry a grudge from game to game. Its unprofessional and I'm almost positive they were told at the end of the 2nd to smarten up. Quinn did the right thing to call them out on their inability to call the game. They are being paid well to do a good job and that's not what they did last night and its embarrassing to the NHL.

Thank you.

 

[TominNC]

Refs are not on two way contracts. Once they get promoted to full time NHL status they stay there. The NHL has fired less than 5 refs in over 20 years and most that have left retire. The officials are also a sort of union that can fight any termination( it’s part of the reason they are ok with the evaluation process.) Sorry to let facts get in the way of the “ these refs are terrible and Quinn should be allowed to act a fool over it” narrative.

You guys can’t get it— the ref did call it by the book— if he’s called to task by the NHL he simply says “well it’s the jab and cross check that I see there and I felt I had to clamp down at that point.” Done end of discussion, but that’s assuming the NHL would even call him which they won’t. I’d guarantee you no one called them after the second. Again, once the coach is benched the next time he acts up the ref goes straight to a game misconduct. It’s in the rule book— but again sorry to let facts stand in the way of a real good conspiracy hoax.

You guys who defend Quinn are a riot to me. If you are honestly happy with this teams performance I can’t wait to witness the euphoria on display here once the team actually is playing well with a real NHL coach at the helm.

And there’s the problem. Same thing MLB has had with some of the older umps. Players can be penalized, coaches get fired, but the poor refs go on.

As the other poster said, let the league take care of Quinn, ref do your damn job.

 

[JHS]

And there’s the problem. Same thing MLB has had with some of the older umps. Players can be penalized, coaches get fired, but the poor refs go on.

As the other poster said, let the league take care of Quinn, ref do your damn job.

well most people have started complaining about the NHL officiating more in recent years and that’s after a slew of veteran linesmen and Refs retired. Again not defending the officiating last night( it was horrible) but trying to provide some insight into why certain calls are made.

 

[TominNC]

I think we've all seen enough games to know what's going on. Still doesn't make it right. I go back to 1970's hockey when you never got a call in Montreal on Saturday night. And refs were even more intimidated by home crowds.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Refs are not on two way contracts. Once they get promoted to full time NHL status they stay there. The NHL has fired less than 5 refs in over 20 years and most that have left retire. The officials are also a sort of union that can fight any termination( it’s part of the reason they are ok with the evaluation process.) Sorry to let facts get in the way of the “ these refs are terrible and Quinn should be allowed to act a fool over it” narrative.

You guys can’t get it— the ref did call it by the book— if he’s called to task by the NHL he simply says “well it’s the jab and cross check that I see there and I felt I had to clamp down at that point.” Done end of discussion, but that’s assuming the NHL would even call him which they won’t. I’d guarantee you no one called them after the second. Again, once the coach is benched the next time he acts up the ref goes straight to a game misconduct. It’s in the rule book— but again sorry to let facts stand in the way of a real good conspiracy hoax.

You guys who defend Quinn are a riot to me. If you are honestly happy with this teams performance I can’t wait to witness the euphoria on display here once the team actually is playing well with a real NHL coach at the helm.

What about the penalty on Strome where we had control of the puck for like 5 seconds while the ref had his hand up, then the call comes and its us in the box? The sportsnet announcers were confused beyond belief as to what was going on.
Also, you yourself said the refs were looking at Quinn....they arent supposed to, they are supposed to leave their biases at home. If they are doing that they will be called to task for it.
I get it, you were a minor hockey ref, if you were looking out for coaches it's probably why you never went further. The nhl refs are supposed to be professionals, this isnt junior b hockey.

 

[JHS]

What about the penalty on Strome where we had control of the puck for like 5 seconds while the ref had his hand up, then the call comes and its us in the box? The sportsnet announcers were confused beyond belief as to what was going on.
Also, you yourself said the refs were looking at Quinn....they arent supposed to, they are supposed to leave their biases at home. If they are doing that they will be called to task for it.
I get it, you were a minor hockey ref, if you were looking out for coaches it's probably why you never went further. The nhl refs are supposed to be professionals, this isnt junior b hockey.

I agree that whole Strome situation was a mess but there were actually two calls on the play one by each ref. Just to clarify I am still a ref.

I never said the refs had it out for Quinn. What I said was Quinn looks to fight the refs every single call and I’m certain has developed a reputation amongst the refs that is not working favorably for him. He has forgotten that his job his to put his team in a position to win games and not fight with the officials. He’s consistently failed to do that over his tenure as coach.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I agree that whole Strome situation was a mess but there were actually two calls on the play one by each ref. Just to clarify I am still a ref.

I never said the refs had it out for Quinn. What I said was Quinn looks to fight the refs every single call and I’m certain has developed a reputation amongst the refs that is not working favorably for him. He has forgotten that his job his to put his team in a position to win games and not fight with the officials. He’s consistently failed to do that over his tenure as coach.

The refs did a terrible job, has nothing to do with Quinn. I personally think he waited too long to blast them last night. These are the same two idiots that messed up the Columbus game that Torts got fined for.

 

[TominNC]

Quinn got the shaft as a rookie last year and this year he's not taking their sh*t any longer. And I disagree that he looks to fight every call. He looks at the replay and says something when it's one of the all too common garbage calls. Like the Strome nonsense last night. I actually would get frustrated with him last year when they got jobbed and he stood there quiet, taking his rookie medicine.