Prospect Info: 33rd overall Roby Jarventie LW FIN

[Burrowsaurus]

Looking like Dorion is going to be 2 for 2 with this pick. Last year with Pinto over Kaliyev, and now Jarventie over Peterka.

Of course, it is still very early but damn if it does not make me happy.

Well it was jarventie over many many others. And kleven over many many others.

 

[TheDebater]

Well it was jarventie over many many others. And kleven over many many others.

The consensus highest ranked player left over from Round 1 I believe was Peterka, no?

 

[Stuzchuk]

No clue how someone could think 3rd liner at best when seeing him play the past month

Edit: Just saw who you were quoting, the evaluation makes sense now

the players that I would have picked before him...

J.J. Peterka, RW, Munchen (DEL)
Helge Grans, D, Malmo (SHL)
Sam Colangelo, RW, Chicago (USHL)
Ryan O’Rourke, D, Sault Ste. Marie (OHL)
Daniel Torgersson, LW, Frölunda (Sweden Jr)
Noel Gunler, RW, Lulea (SHL)
Emil Heineman, LW, Leksand (SHL)

Roby Jarventie would probably still been available at #61

 

[BondraTime]

the players that I would have picked before him...

J.J. Peterka, RW, Munchen (DEL)
Helge Grans, D, Malmo (SHL)
Sam Colangelo, RW, Chicago (USHL)
Ryan O’Rourke, D, Sault Ste. Marie (OHL)
Daniel Torgersson, LW, Frölunda (Sweden Jr)
Noel Gunler, RW, Lulea (SHL)
Emil Heineman, LW, Leksand (SHL)

Roby Jarventie would probably still been available at #61

Sure, more than fair. I wanted other guys as well. Sens scouts wouldn't have obviously, I can pretty much guarantee you he wouldn't have been there at 61, and to say he has a 3rd line upside at best is pretty absurd when looking at his game. Baffling really. I'd be very surprised if he isn't viewed as a steal by the end of the year, just watching 2 games and seeing his tools and toolbox, he looks to be a guy who should have been taken higher than 33

Look at Pinto, same stuff, different year

 

[TheDebater]

the players that I would have picked before him...



Roby Jarventie would probably still been available at #61

There is absolutely no way to know for sure, and if Ottawa does not draft him and another team does and he goes on to become a star, we will be questioning the decision forever.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

There is absolutely no way to know for sure, and if Ottawa does not draft him and another team does and he goes on to become a star, we will be questioning the decision forever.

THIS I get. Jarventie's tools show the potential to be an actual star. If they view him that way then you take that pick. It's not like they took him #5 OA or traded away a top prospect to get him. He was rated as a second round prospect and they took him there.

The upside is pretty high with this guy. Worth the gamble.

 

[Xspyrit]

Yes it's exactly what we wanted (or should of) with our top-2 round picks... guys with a lot of upside.

- 3rd OA : Stutzle : amazing upside, no brainer at that spot.
- 5th OA : Sanderson : won't be the "sexiest" pick for some but has dominant 2-way D-man upside.
- 28th OA : Greig : not a boom or bust but his ceiling is quite intriguing for a guy at that spot
- 33rd OA : Jarventie, big boom or bust prospect
- 44th OA : Kleven : another non sexy pick but could surprise a lot of people depending on development
- 61st OA : Sokolov, another big boom or bust prospect

And the other 2nd used to get Matt Murray...

Well it was jarventie over many many others. And kleven over many many others.

Well, it's 100% of the time ALWAYS the player you picked vs the rest of the field (players eligible for the draft). There is NO concensus for a BPA draft list. Every team has a very different list, particularly once you get out of the top of the draft.

It's very possible that some teams overvalue a prospect and undervalue others but this is not an exact science. It's all about projection so it's pretty normal that every team envision 17/18 y/o's future very differently.

Sure, more than fair. I wanted other guys as well. Sens scouts wouldn't have obviously, I can pretty much guarantee you he wouldn't have been there at 61, and to say he has a 3rd line upside at best is pretty absurd when looking at his game. Baffling really. I'd be very surprised if he isn't viewed as a steal by the end of the year, just watching 2 games and seeing his tools and toolbox, he looks to be a guy who should have been taken higher than 33

Look at Pinto, same stuff, different year

That's why NHL teams spend a LOT of money on a scouting department, guys paid to build a list of projected players, trying to find gems, trying to find guys that rise significantly with some development.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

the players that I would have picked before him...

J.J. Peterka, RW, Munchen (DEL)
Helge Grans, D, Malmo (SHL)
Sam Colangelo, RW, Chicago (USHL)
Ryan O’Rourke, D, Sault Ste. Marie (OHL)
Daniel Torgersson, LW, Frölunda (Sweden Jr)
Noel Gunler, RW, Lulea (SHL)
Emil Heineman, LW, Leksand (SHL)

Roby Jarventie would probably still been available at #61

That seems highly unlikely a guy going 33 would be available at 61. Probably not even close.

 

[h2]

Yes it's exactly what we wanted (or should of) with our top-2 round picks... guys with a lot of upside.

- 3rd OA : Stutzle : amazing upside, no brainer at that spot.
- 5th OA : Sanderson : won't be the "sexiest" pick for some but has dominant 2-way D-man upside.
- 28th OA : Greig : not a boom or bust but his ceiling is quite intriguing for a guy at that spot
- 33rd OA : Jarventie, big boom or bust prospect
- 44th OA : Kleven : another non sexy pick but could surprise a lot of people depending on development
- 61st OA : Sokolov, another big boom or bust prospect

And the other 2nd used to get Matt Murray...



Well, it's 100% of the time ALWAYS the player you picked vs the rest of the field (players eligible for the draft). There is NO concensus for a BPA draft list. Every team has a very different list, particularly once you get out of the top of the draft.

It's very possible that some teams overvalue a prospect and undervalue others but this is not an exact science. It's all about projection so it's pretty normal that every team envision 17/18 y/o's future very differently.



That's why NHL teams spend a LOT of money on a scouting department, guys paid to build a list of projected players, trying to find gems, trying to find guys that rise significantly with some development.

I've learned to ignore Sens fan rage regarding picks after the Tkachuk over Zadina selection. The amount of crow fans here have to eat is amusing to me. Why people gets so invested over public rankings is beyond me. Year after year it's shown that prospects drop for a reason. Rarely does it work out.

There was adequate boom or bust selections in the first two rounds IMO, which is where a vast majority of our draft capital was held anyway. I don't really care that an unknown Finnish goalie was picked in the 3rd round. The chances of picking a player in that round are small anyway, not worth fussing over.

 

[R2010]

Sure, more than fair. I wanted other guys as well. Sens scouts wouldn't have obviously, I can pretty much guarantee you he wouldn't have been there at 61, and to say he has a 3rd line upside at best is pretty absurd when looking at his game. Baffling really. I'd be very surprised if he isn't viewed as a steal by the end of the year, just watching 2 games and seeing his tools and toolbox, he looks to be a guy who should have been taken higher than 33

Look at Pinto, same stuff, different year

Yeah considering where he was ranked on Bob's list people thinking he was going to randomly drop is pretty asinine

 

[Xspyrit]

I've learned to ignore Sens fan rage regarding picks after the Tkachuk over Zadina selection. The amount of crow fans here have to eat is amusing to me. Why people gets so invested over public rankings is beyond me. Year after year it's shown that prospects drop for a reason. Rarely does it work out.

There was adequate boom or bust selections in the first two rounds IMO, which is where a vast majority of our draft capital was held anyway. I don't really care that an unknown Finnish goalie was picked in the 3rd round. The chances of picking a player in that round are small anyway, not worth fussing over.

I think we have all been guilty of believing too much in our own opinions and convictions before. Some seem to do it much more than others though.

Personally, I have learned in life not to rely on my opinions but to always look for objective information to support my claims. It's also something that is crucial in college. They're not necessarily looking for your opinion but more for what has been acknowledged as a fact on a particular subject. What you learn is how to develop a valid argumentation with the right methodology, fact support, etc.

We all have preferences and it's perfectly normal, but to cry/complain like crazy on Tkachuk over Zadina selection only has the potential to make you look like a fool eventually. Some people learn, some people never do.

When you look at a re-draft, it's never even close to what actually happened, or to what somebody's favorite source ranking was. Again, it's not an exact science and there is no concensus to follow. Teams try to hit homeruns on every pick (aka getting NHL players with varying degrees of good). They are definitely looking to do that with that Finnish goalie as well (with maybe not a lot of people who had him on their radar). Only time will tell if they were right or wrong.

 

[Que]

Well schucks - that’s surprising. I still trust our scouts over Jokke but dang it. From all I’ve read he’s been very good and not floating about picking up pity points.

 

[Bileur]

If Jokke was as good at scouting as he seems to think he is he’d be in the HOF as a builder already.

Going in with a hard, condescending take on Jarventie’s production doesn’t make him look like an objective analyst, he looks like someone getting defensive to justify his take.

 

[MatchesMalone]

I think we have all been guilty of believing too much in our own opinions and convictions before. Some seem to do it much more than others though.

Personally, I have learned in life not to rely on my opinions but to always look for objective information to support my claims. It's also something that is crucial in college. They're not necessarily looking for your opinion but more for what has been acknowledged as a fact on a particular subject. What you learn is how to develop a valid argumentation with the right methodology, fact support, etc.

We all have preferences and it's perfectly normal, but to cry/complain like crazy on Tkachuk over Zadina selection only has the potential to make you look like a fool eventually. Some people learn, some people never do.

When you look at a re-draft, it's never even close to what actually happened, or to what somebody's favorite source ranking was. Again, it's not an exact science and there is no concensus to follow. Teams try to hit homeruns on every pick (aka getting NHL players with varying degrees of good). They are definitely looking to do that with that Finnish goalie as well (with maybe not a lot of people who saw him on their radar). Only time will tell if they were right or wrong.

I agree completely with H2 here. The problem isn't with believing your own convictions or not, its with how you form those convictions. For those who watched a given player a lot and form an opinion contrary to the popular belief, I say stick to your guns and f*** what people think. I've said Mukhamadullin was a top 20 pick since the WJAC last fall, and many smart people told me it was a ridiculous opinion. But I know what I saw.

The problem is with people who haven't scouted the players closely and who form strong convictions based solely on media draft rankings.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

If Jokke was as good at scouting as he seems to think he is he’d be in the HOF as a builder already.

Going in with a hard, condescending take on Jarventie’s production doesn’t make him look like an objective analyst, he looks like someone getting defensive to justify his take.

He seems like a total dick.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

Well schucks - that’s surprising. I still trust our scouts over Jokke but dang it. From all I’ve read he’s been very good and not floating about picking up pity points.

He’s looked good even if he didn’t have points. Points aren’t expected for such young players

 

[Burrowsaurus]

He’s looked good even if he didn’t have points. Points aren’t expected for such young players

Has he looked good? Haven’t watched him at all this year except the clips of his secondary assists. I need to find a way to stream these games.

 

[MatchesMalone]

He seems like a total dick.

Big time. And a small sample size is one thing, but it's also the most current data.

 

[BondraTime]

Not a fan of any of the Dobber evaluators

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

Has he looked good? Haven’t watched him at all this year except the clips of his secondary assists. I need to find a way to stream these games.

I’ve only seen game clips. Looks like he belongs with his size, skating and shot. To say I’m an expert on his play would be wrong, but I don’t think the stat sheet is important for him in a men’s league

 

[MatchesMalone]

Has he looked good? Haven’t watched him at all this year except the clips of his secondary assists. I need to find a way to stream these games.

Liiga is the trickiest league to scout. The streaming site I use has SHL, KHL, VHL, and almost every league you can imagine. But streaming rights to Liiga were purchased by some paid European sports streaming service, and they've made damn sure Liiga games aren't easy to watch for free.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Liiga is the trickiest league to scout. The streaming site I use has SHL, KHL, VHL, and almost every league you can imagine. But streaming rights to Liiga were purchased by some paid European sports streaming service, and they've made damn sure Liiga games aren't easy to watch for free.

How much is said streaming site

 

[Frank8]

Not a fan of any of the Dobber evaluators

Best in the business and it's not close.

 

[BondraTime]

Best in the business and it's not close.

In your opinion, sure, perfectly fine. Not close in mine, one I don’t put any weight in.

 

[Frank8]

How much is said streaming site

Telia TV