World Cup: 2024 World Cup - rosters

[JackSlater]

Look, you're the type of guy who would ask for proof that your wife is cheating on you, I show you a picture of her with a man holding her by the hip in the street you would say: it's not proof.

The facts speak for themselves. I've already told you that athletes have explained how difficult negotiations are with franchises.

It is obvious that the NHL franchises do not want their active players to play elsewhere during the year and that at the head of the NHL institution, there is no desire to share international hockey.

These are the facts. Not a fiction. Ultimately, if there is a fiction in history, it is this 2024 World Cup. I've wasted too much time with you. You have nothing else to say than to harass me by asking me for proofs which will in any case be challenged by your bad faith.

There is no negotiation. Players who are healthy and not actively playing in the playoffs are allowed to go to the IIHF world championship as per the CBA.

Now enough lying. Provide specific names of players who were not allowed to go to the IIHF world championship when eligible and an article or recording where they actually say it. Again you said that this is a regular occurrence so you should be able to find actual evidence rather than plugging your ears and mindlessly claiming it repeatedly.

What players specifically and in what years?

 

[namttebih]

Hope friggin’ not.

Why not? The US was allowed to play from 03-11 while occupying Iraq

 

[Boonk]

Tony Parker is an NBA player and irrelevant. Provide an actual clip of David Perron discussing it or an article in which David Perron talks about not being able to play in the IIHF world championship while healthy due to his NHL team.

Otherwise, provide actual names of players who were held out of the IIHF world championship when eligible and back up your claim with some evidence rather than the fiction you've been spouting.

Sooo I actually wasted my time and searched up this Perron thing he keeps parroting about. He accepted an invitation to the tournament in 2014 but pulled out due to a recurring hip injury that flared up, he played through it and finished the regular season with the Oilers, but didn't speak to the medical staff about it. That's it, so that should put that to bed lol

 

[namttebih]

Tony Parker is an NBA player and irrelevant. Provide an actual clip of David Perron discussing it or an article in which David Perron talks about not being able to play in the IIHF world championship while healthy due to his NHL team.

Otherwise, provide actual names of players who were held out of the IIHF world championship when eligible and back up your claim with some evidence rather than the fiction you've been spouting.

The hilariously ironic thing is that the owners would absolutely love to be able to tell the guys that they can't go. Who wants to lend out their multi million dollar assets, uninsured for free?

The fact that they still do and must allow, puts to bed any of the nonsense that the Jesus poster is spewing.

 

[jfc64]

It's not a bad roster, there are just very few BIG names.

Like Barkov , Aho and Heiskanen?

 

[nbwingsfan]

Like Barkov , Aho and Heiskanen?

Now compare that to Canada or USA…

 

[jonlin]

Now compare that to Canada or USA…

I`m confident we will have a good team that will be able to compete against anyone. The strenght in Team Finland is defensive play. Barkov, Aho, Hintz, Granlund, Teräväinen etc. are all good 200ft players. We cant play run-n-gun against Canada or USA, because we would lose. Special teams will always be the most important thing in best-on-best tournaments.

 

[nbwingsfan]

I`m confident we will have a good team that will be able to compete against anyone. The strenght in Team Finland is defensive play. Barkov, Aho, Hintz, Granlund, Teräväinen etc. are all good 200ft players. We cant play run-n-gun against Canada or USA, because we would lose. Special teams will always be the most important thing in best-on-best tournaments.

Canada goaltending is what might kill them. If Binnington actually starts I’m betting the mortgage against them

 

[jonlin]

Canada goaltending is what might kill them. If Binnington actually starts I’m betting the mortgage against them

Our biggest problem is on defense. I like our goalies and our Top9. But on D - only Heiskanen and Lindell are on par with other teams D:s. Our forwards will have to back-check a lot.

 

[Hanji]

Why should it be?

It should be under control of the people who can put together the best tournaments. NHLPA and NHL are those people. At least this group represents the best players who actually play in these games...

On what planet has the NHL/NHLPA shown the current ability to produce an interesting best on best? It’s been a quarter century since an NHL administered tourney has been of any significance.

Perhaps you missed the TV ratings of the last few World Cups?

The IIHF has proven it can run a more popular tourney in Canada alone with the WJC.


Relatively speaking nobody cares about the NHL in the states. The NHL cannot generate wide interest, in and of itself, for an international tourney. Not gonna happen.
It needs to piggyback on the olympics, which means the NHL needs to work with the IIHF

 

[Belloco]

The hilariously ironic thing is that the owners would absolutely love to be able to tell the guys that they can't go. Who wants to lend out their multi million dollar assets, uninsured for free?

The fact that they still do and must allow, puts to bed any of the nonsense that the Jesus poster is spewing.

Football clubs do. And yet they pay their players more.

PSG do it 10 times a year with Mbappe, Neymar and Messi. If PSG can do it, so can an NHL franchise. It's just a question of will and sportsmanship.

Same thing in Rugby where players are systematically released for the World Cup, the 6 Nations Tournament and the 4 Nations. The clubs are aware that it is the federations that train the players. It's a matter of accountability. Something totally absent in NHL culture. But I think I've already had it 10 times too.

It would not be foolish to copy what is being done in the sports that sell better because ice hockey cannot be said to have a great exposure in the world.

The current European hockey has been developed by international competitions and national leagues. Not by NHL subscriptions on the internet.

If the public wants to see nationals of new European countries and Asians in hockey while waiting for players from Latin America, Africa... this requires a better exploitation of international competitions with the participation of all. Without international hockey, the majority of Europeans on the site would not be here.

In France, Spain, Italy, Great Britain nobody will see the World Cup while the World Championships are broadcast on public channels, so easily accessible.

 

[JackSlater]

Sooo I actually wasted my time and searched up this Perron thing he keeps parroting about. He accepted an invitation to the tournament in 2014 but pulled out due to a recurring hip injury that flared up, he played through it and finished the regular season with the Oilers, but didn't speak to the medical staff about it. That's it, so that should put that to bed lol

Ah yes, so he did not actually meet the criteria laid out by the CBA. Colour me shocked! You're brave to have waded into that quagmire.

The hilariously ironic thing is that the owners would absolutely love to be able to tell the guys that they can't go. Who wants to lend out their multi million dollar assets, uninsured for free?

The fact that they still do and must allow, puts to bed any of the nonsense that the Jesus poster is spewing.

I agree, no doubt they would love to have players exclusively involved in competitions run by the NHL or none at all. But that isn't the way it is, as laid out in the CBA, which makes the whole discussion so bizarre.

 

[Belloco]

Sooo I actually wasted my time and searched up this Perron thing he keeps parroting about. He accepted an invitation to the tournament in 2014 but pulled out due to a recurring hip injury that flared up, he played through it and finished the regular season with the Oilers, but didn't speak to the medical staff about it. That's it, so that should put that to bed lol

It was a more general analysis of Perron who spoke of the difficulties that NHL players had to participate in international competitions. It was also debated that day with the regular speakers of the On Jase podcast (including Guy Boucher), the relevance of shifting the world championships to September or during the winter but that the NHL would not accept to maintain its monopoly. and would prefer to establish a World Cup like in 2016. They insisted that hockey needed visibility in the world to increase its diversity.

 

[namttebih]

Football clubs do. And yet they pay their players more.

PSG do it 10 times a year with Mbappe, Neymar and Messi. If PSG can do it, so can an NHL franchise. It's just a question of will and sportsmanship.

Same thing in Rugby where players are systematically released for the World Cup, the 6 Nations Tournament and the 4 Nations. The clubs are aware that it is the federations that train the players. It's a matter of accountability. Something totally absent in NHL culture. But I think I've already had it 10 times too.

It would not be foolish to copy what is being done in the sports that sell better because ice hockey cannot be said to have a great exposure in the world.

The current European hockey has been developed by international competitions and national leagues. Not by NHL subscriptions on the internet.

If the public wants to see nationals of new European countries and Asians in hockey while waiting for players from Latin America, Africa... this requires a better exploitation of international competitions with the participation of all. Without international hockey, the majority of Europeans on the site would not be here.

In France, Spain, Italy, Great Britain nobody will see the World Cup while the World Championships are broadcast on public channels, so easily accessible.

You're missing the point. They do lend their players out, uninsured, for free - despite not wanting to. If you think for a second that football clubs or handball clubs or volleyball clubs worldwide truly want to lend their players out risking injury, fatigue and inconvenience to schedule you're wrong. They do it because they have to. Just like NHL players. The rare example that you've found where players are pressured to play are the outliers.

On what planet has the NHL/NHLPA shown the current ability to produce an interesting best on best? It’s been a quarter century since an NHL administered tourney has been of any significance.

Perhaps you missed the TV ratings of the last few World Cups?

The IIHF has proven it can run a more popular tourney in Canada alone with the WJC.


Relatively speaking nobody cares about the NHL in the states. The NHL cannot generate wide interest, in and of itself, for an international tourney. Not gonna happen.
It needs to piggyback on the olympics, which means the NHL needs to work with the IIHF

The IIHF has made the WJC a success? Please, TSN has created a cult- like following for the tournament in Canada.

 

[Belloco]

You're missing the point. They do lend their players out, uninsured, for free - despite not wanting to. If you think for a second that football clubs or handball clubs or volleyball clubs worldwide truly want to lend their players out risking injury, fatigue and inconvenience to schedule you're wrong. They do it because they have to. Just like NHL players. The rare example that you've found where players are pressured to play are the outliers.


The IIHF has made the WJC a success? Please, TSN has created a cult- like following for the tournament in Canada.

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You can do google translation to see that it is the clubs that insure the players during international competitions.

In the case of hockey, it would only be a question of renting players for two weeks a year for a few matches. So the risk of a serious injury is very low. In Football, players are assigned 2 months a year.

I was talking about the European side. Europeans have the opportunity to see international hockey. NHL games are very rarely broadcast. I saw my first hockey game at 11 just by turning on the television. I saw my first NHL game at 31. And for that, I had to take out an NHL TV subscription. Otherwise I would still wait.

And if IIHF offers a more interesting U20 tournament that attracts, it is not thanks to TSN. This is because international competitions attract fans. TSN pays for the request.

A Sweden U20/Finland U20 1/2 Final attracts more than just a Detroit Red Wings/Colorado Avalanche regular season game.

An annual world senior championship with NHL players would be a hit.

 

[JAS 39 Gripen]

You're missing the point. They do lend their players out, uninsured, for free - despite not wanting to. If you think for a second that football clubs or handball clubs or volleyball clubs worldwide truly want to lend their players out risking injury, fatigue and inconvenience to schedule you're wrong. They do it because they have to. Just like NHL players. The rare example that you've found where players are pressured to play are the outliers.


The IIHF has made the WJC a success? Please, TSN has created a cult- like following for the tournament in Canada.

Thats actually not true at all. Football is a waaaaay bigger sport than ice hockey, and teams and their owners are happy to showcase their players on the international stage since it raises their players value, their teams brand awareness and so on. The thing with American sports leagues is that it seems like "content is king", meaning as many games as possible to get as much revenue as possible. I mean, 82 game season + playoffs? Really? Football leagues don't need to do that, hence there's way more international windows in their calendars.

 

[Czechboy]

Slovenský svaz bez státní podpory? Kvůli nominaci hokejistů z KHL je to možný scénář

It's in Czech but google translate to English is fairly accurate. Lots of blowback to the Slovak's saying they would use their KHL players while Finns, France, Czechs and Swedes will not.

 

[Mathieukferland]

Canada goaltending is what might kill them. If Binnington actually starts I’m betting the mortgage against them

I mean he carried a team to a cup so it’s not like they’re throwing an AHLer in there but I would rather have stronger options to choose from for sure

 

[nbwingsfan]

I mean he carried a team to a cup so it’s not like they’re throwing an AHLer in there but I would rather have stronger options to choose from for sure

Going on 4 years ago now and since then lost his starting gig to Husso

 

[um]

Slovenský svaz bez státní podpory? Kvůli nominaci hokejistů z KHL je to možný scénář

It's in Czech but google translate to English is fairly accurate. Lots of blowback to the Slovak's saying they would use their KHL players while Finns, France, Czechs and Swedes will not.

Can't blame them, there's not that many Slovakian NHLers to choose from.

 

[CRhockey]

You have waaaay to many old players

They won’t be able to keep up with the Americans

Cirrelli is up for Selke, 2 time Stanley cup champ and not way too old. Point is also one of the best , big game player, kills penalties, was up for Conn Smyth on second cup, aslo not way too old. Both are on the team in 2024. Canadas forwards are as good or better than anyone else. Goaltending is the weak link but forwards stack up as the best.

 

[CRhockey]

February 2024 is only a year-and-a-half away though. A few established veterans may no longer be up to snuff for this level of competition (I'm thinking Bergeron, probably Tavares, maybe Stamkos, maybe Doughty), but the bulk of the remainder of the roster should be at, or slightly past, their peaks. McDavid-MacKinnon-Crosby down the middle is unmatched (even if Crosby is at an advanced age, he can play a somewhat diminished 2-way role), guys like Huberdeau, Marner, Point should be playing at a very high-level, Makar-Toews will remain the best defensive pairing on the planet, and some of the older veterans like Pietrangelo, Marchand and O'Reilly will be complemented by fresh blood like Kyrou, Dubois, and Byram.

The only reason to bet against this team, imo, is their goaltending. But I trust that the management team and coaching staff will select a roster of forwards and D that mitigates any deficiencies in that area.

sounds about right. good breakdown of the team. goaltending is the concerning the issue.

 

[Silky Johnson]

On what planet has the NHL/NHLPA shown the current ability to produce an interesting best on best? It’s been a quarter century since an NHL administered tourney has been of any significance.

Perhaps you missed the TV ratings of the last few World Cups?

The IIHF has proven it can run a more popular tourney in Canada alone with the WJC.


Relatively speaking nobody cares about the NHL in the states. The NHL cannot generate wide interest, in and of itself, for an international tourney. Not gonna happen.
It needs to piggyback on the olympics, which means the NHL needs to work with the IIHF

NHL & NHLPA are the only ones who can fix international hockey. They represent the the best players in the world and without them it is doomed. They screwed up 2016 & 2018. Let's hope they get 2024 & 2026 correct and repeating.

IIHF had nothing to do with the financial success of the U20 in Canada. That was 100% TSN, Canada's love of Hockey and the Christmas break.

Hockey is doing just fine in the US. Its the 5th most successful league in the world. Pre pandemic revenues were increasing year over year consistently.

It looks like we may be lucky enough to have a best on best every two years. Olympics and World Cup. Success will come with consistency for the World Cup.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Russia is out I would assume?

 

[Czechboy]

Can't blame them, there's not that many Slovakian NHLers to choose from.

It was the Slovaks with the biggest blowback towards the decision.