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Jesus Navas said:
Now I am not at your command and subject to you.

I posted you my opinion concerning the responsibility of the NHL in the failure of international competitions.

It remains to be seen if this 2024 World Cup will exist. 4 years ago at the same stadium, the NHL had also promised a 2020 World Cup to compensate for the last Olympic Games. It has not happened. That's all.

You can't force me to submit to your point of view so let it go.
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I am saying to show some proof of your claims that NHL players are regularly intimidated into not going to the IIHF world championship or continue looking like a liar. You've only chosen the latter thus far. I also highly doubt that Perron regularly goes on to some podcast to discuss NHL teams barring healthy and available players from going to the IIHF world championship, but I would be happy to listen to a specific segment that does discuss that.
 
JackSlater said:
I am saying to show some proof of your claims that NHL players are regularly intimidated into not going to the IIHF world championship or continue looking like a liar. You've only chosen the latter thus far. I also highly doubt that Perron regularly goes on to some podcast to discuss NHL teams barring healthy and available players from going to the IIHF world championship, but I would be happy to listen to a specific segment that does discuss that.
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Perron appears 10 times a year on On Jase and he's not the only one. The news is full of players who can't play for their federation because the NHL franchise has other plans for that player. I quoted Filip Mesar. Do you think this player had a say ?
 
Jesus Navas said:
Perron appears 10 times a year on On Jase and he's not the only one. The news is full of players who can't play for their federation because the NHL franchise has other plans for that player. I quoted Filip Mesar. Do you think this player had a say ?
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You cited the tragedy of Mesar several times. A one off situation in a summer WJC that was never held at that time before and possibly never will again. Now again for almost the tenth time, show actual evidence to support your claim that players are "intimidated" by NHL teams into not going to the IIHF world championship regularly. Not unsubstantiated references to a David Perron podcast or citing Mesar possibly not being allowed to go to the WJC in 2022. Prove your claim rather than continuing with fiction and lies.
 
JackSlater said:
You cited the tragedy of Mesar several times. A one off situation in a summer WJC that was never held at that time before and possibly never will again. Now again for almost the tenth time, show actual evidence to support your claim that players are "intimidated" by NHL teams into not going to the IIHF world championship regularly. Not unsubstantiated references to a David Perron podcast or citing Mesar possibly not being allowed to go to the WJC in 2022. Prove your claim rather than continuing with fiction and lies.
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Lots of names and situations were mentioned.

When an entire world championship and an entire Olympic tournament are deserted by NHL players since 10 years, there is a problem.

I don't think players are excited about not being able to play for their country and prefer having to play 82 regular season games every year. It's just that the NHL imposes its financial empire on hockey, but things could work differently with a more altruistic vision.

It is also not friendly for the federations working to develop talent. I think the NHL should respect the work of other institutions that work to develop hockey more.

It's my opinion. I don't have to submit to your orders.
 
ANYWAY. b4 the mods remove this whole mess lol.

I'm really looking forward to a properly organized World Cup of Hockey. 2014 was long ago, I was just starting high school ffs. Been way too long without some sort of best on best hockey competition. I hope the NHL and IIHF can BOTH build further onto this competition and make it a recurring thing to go with the Olympics every 2 years. Providing that the world around us doesn't go batshit crazy, I think its good for hockey fans and is much better than a boring All Star weekend.
 
Smirnov2Chistov said:
Comments like these are so incredibly annoying. No matter what you think of them, Russia will be back.

Still don’t understand the whole Belarus in the Ukraine situation, but whatever
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If the war is still going on there’s a 0% chance Russia is involved. I wouldn’t be surprised if they aren’t even if the war is over due to the very high likelihood of war crime trials going on.
 
Jesus Navas said:
Random podcasts featuring former NHL players.

Players obey the NHL format because the NHL pays their salary. But that doesn't mean they're happy with everything that's going on.

The NHL generates more revenue because the North American economy dominates the world. The day China dominates, things will change and it will quickly show in Sport. Hockey will not escape this. Especially since tomorrow's hockey elite will be mainly European.
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Wow. Lots wrong here.

When it comes to the podcasts we were discussing whether the current NHL schedule is popular. Comments from former players do not represent a consensus of the hockey markets opinion.

The NHLPA represents the players and it does not OBEY the NHL. Their relationship can be adversarial at times but at best it is a partnership. When they want things, like Olympic participation, they can get it. Its a matter of prioritisation and the players clearly have not prioritised the World Championships.

Europe and Russia, prior to the Ukraine invasion at least, have a similar sized GDP as North America and a larger population. NA fans support hockey in greater numbers and at a higher level. Both in TV and live revenue. That is why NA hockey is dominant.

If you think China will dominate the global economy any time soon you are not very well informed. China is facing a demographic crisis that the world has never seen. Recent demographic data has actually shown that it will be far worse then anyone previously imagined. Massive negative growth in China's GDP may be inevitable.

Even there was a massive change in global economics, what makes you think that hockey's elite will be mainly European? NA has more than half of the hockey participation in the world and that doesn't look like it will change any time soon.

You may have broken a record for times being wrong per word in a post.
 
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Jesus Navas said:
Lots of names and situations were mentioned.

When an entire world championship and an entire Olympic tournament are deserted by NHL players since 10 years, there is a problem.

I don't think players are excited about not being able to play for their country and prefer having to play 82 regular season games every year. It's just that the NHL imposes its financial empire on hockey, but things could work differently with a more altruistic vision.
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The NHL owners have always been in the business to make money even during the Ol Canada Cup days (when no one complained). The World Cup, like the Canada Cup, showcases international talent to expand the game of hockey. That is what you call vision.

Jesus Navas said:
It is also not friendly for the federations working to develop talent. I think the NHL should respect the work of other institutions that work to develop hockey more.
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The NHL is literally putting more emphasis on expanding the game by supporting the USHL, CHL AHL, the U20 and U18 tournaments over the years. What an awful statement by you.

Jesus Navas said:
It's my opinion. I don't have to submit to your orders.
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You have zero examples. Which you were asked for several times. So your opinion is getting destroyed.
 
Silky Johnson said:
Wow. Lots wrong here.

When it comes to the podcasts we were discussing whether the current NHL schedule is popular. Comments from former players do not represent a consensus of the hockey markets opinion.

The NHLPA represents the players and it does not OBEY the NHL. Their relationship can be adversarial at times but at best it is a partnership. When they want things, like Olympic participation, they can get it. Its a matter of prioritisation and the players clearly have not prioritised the World Championships.

Europe and Russia, prior to the Ukraine invasion at least, have a similar sized GDP as North America and a larger population. NA fans support hockey in greater numbers and at a higher level. Both in TV and live revenue. That is why NA hockey is dominant.

If you think China will dominate the global economy any time soon you are not very well informed. China is facing a demographic crisis that the world has never seen. Recent demographic data has actually shown that it will be far worse then anyone previously imagined. Massive negative growth in China's GDP may be inevitable.

Even there was a massive change in global economics, what makes you think that hockey's elite will be mainly European? NA has more than half of the hockey participation in the world and that doesn't look like it will change any time soon.

You may have broken a record for times being wrong per word in a post.
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I don't believe at all in your idea that the players have the power to decide everything that happens.

A business has been established and they submit to the decisions of their employers.

Everyone knows why there are 82 games in the regular season: only the money.

Players have had no influence on participation in the last two Olympic tournaments. The wish is obvious. And if the NHL freed up 2 weeks of competition at the IIHF, they would go to the competition like they would go to the World Cup.

NHL players probably don't prefer the World Cup to the World Championship. In practice, it's the same principle. Except that there is one which is managed by the NHL and which does not pose a problem of participation.

Regarding geopolitics, it is the Western world that is experiencing a serious demographic crisis, to such an extent that the question of the existence of Westerners in the West in 2 centuries arises. China will experience a temporary decline after the one-child policy, but the birth rate has been rising for 15 years.

What is certain is that everything has a beginning, everything has an end. The NHL will one day disappear and another league will take its place.

North America is becoming less and less dominant in hockey. In 40 years, the % of North Americans has melted like snow in the sun. This year, for the first time, there were 50% Europeans in the first round of the draft. At the end of the decade, they will probably be in the majority.

Things change. 100% Canadian hockey is long over. Never again will the Canadians be the majority in the NHL and that's fine. Hockey is for everyone.

SanDogBrewin said:
The NHL owners have always been in the business to make money even during the Ol Canada Cup days (when no one complained). The World Cup, like the Canada Cup, showcases international talent to expand the game of hockey. That is what you call vision.


The NHL is literally putting more emphasis on expanding the game by supporting the USHL, CHL AHL, the U20 and U18 tournaments over the years. What an awful statement by you.


You have zero examples. Which you were asked for several times. So your opinion is getting destroyed.
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The leagues you cite are completely subject to the NHL. It's an extension of the NHL empire.

Yes the NHL to develop hockey... on the condition that the money falls into the pockets of the league. This is the reason for the existence of the Canada Cup. Otherwise, they would concede the event to the World Championship. What sporting interest to have a World Cup when there is already a World Championship? None.

No sport other than hockey is as dominated by a private institution as hockey and that is what I denounce. The NHL aspires to rule everything and shares nothing. The other institutions have the right to exist and to make their ambitions heard. Only the KHL is independent of the NHL. Reason why the NHL wants the KHL not to be represented in EA games. It already gives an idea of NHL self-centeredness.

It's imperialism. Hockey is for everyone.
 
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I can't find a roster for Finland from the Hockey Writers.

Perhaps someone else can find it. Maybe it hasn't come out yet.
 
Jesus Navas said:
Lots of names and situations were mentioned.

When an entire world championship and an entire Olympic tournament are deserted by NHL players since 10 years, there is a problem.

I don't think players are excited about not being able to play for their country and prefer having to play 82 regular season games every year. It's just that the NHL imposes its financial empire on hockey, but things could work differently with a more altruistic vision.

It is also not friendly for the federations working to develop talent. I think the NHL should respect the work of other institutions that work to develop hockey more.

It's my opinion. I don't have to submit to your orders.
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It's definitely just your opinion, as you've made it very clear that you don't have any evidence to actually support your wild claims like the NHL intimidating eligible players to keep them out of the IIHF world championship. Instead of making wild claims you could have actually cited the evidence that does exist that the NHL tried to use the 2016 World Cup as a way out of the Olympics, as Daly said as much to TSN, but the fiction regarding the IIHF world championship is going nowhere.
 
JackSlater said:
It's definitely just your opinion, as you've made it very clear that you don't have any evidence to actually support your wild claims like the NHL intimidating eligible players to keep them out of the IIHF world championship. Instead of making wild claims you could have actually cited the evidence that does exist that the NHL tried to use the 2016 World Cup as a way out of the Olympics, as Daly said as much to TSN, but the fiction regarding the IIHF world championship is going nowhere.
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it's definitely a rich comedy routine that doesn't live in the realities of this world. Again, deepest respect for your patience for his/her gobbledygook.
 
JackSlater said:
It's definitely just your opinion, as you've made it very clear that you don't have any evidence to actually support your wild claims like the NHL intimidating eligible players to keep them out of the IIHF world championship. Instead of making wild claims you could have actually cited the evidence that does exist that the NHL tried to use the 2016 World Cup as a way out of the Olympics, as Daly said as much to TSN, but the fiction regarding the IIHF world championship is going nowhere.
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Don't be heavy. The proof I have advanced : there has been no international competition bringing together NHL players since the 2014 Olympic Games and rather than collaborating with IIHF to involve players in the World Championship, the NHL prefers to create a World Cup once every 10 years. None of this exists in any other sport and makes no sporting sense. It's just imperialist economic logic.
 
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Jesus Navas said:
Don't be heavy. The proof I have advanced : there has been no international competition bringing together NHL players since the 2014 Olympic Games and rather than collaborating with IIHF to involve players in the World Championship, the NHL prefers to create a World Cup once every 10 years. None of this exists in any other sport and makes no sporting sense. It's just imperialist economic logic.
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I want the proof for your claim that the NHL blocks eligible players from playing in the IIHF world championship through intimidation, and regularly. Names of players and some evidence that it happened. The proof that the NHL hasn't been in the Olympics since 2014 is already widely known, and we all know that the NHL wants out of the Olympics because the NHL has been open about that. The players, and maybe to a lesser extent the fans, are the only reason that it remains on the table. No one has disputed that in many years.

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it's definitely a rich comedy routine that doesn't live in the realities of this world. Again, deepest respect for your patience for his/her gobbledygook.
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It's sort of bizarre. Asking questions and then claiming never to have asked, making wild claims and then refusing to back them up while claiming that you did, changing claims as the days go by but refusing to read any of the actual evidence that is put forward. My patience has pretty much run out though and my pity to anyone bothering to read this crap.
 
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I want the proof for your claim that the NHL blocks eligible players from playing in the IIHF world championship through intimidation, and regularly. Names of players and some evidence that it happened. The proof that the NHL hasn't been in the Olympics since 2014 is already widely known, and we all know that the NHL wants out of the Olympics because the NHL has been open about that. The players, and maybe to a lesser extent the fans, are the only reason that it remains on the table. No one has disputed that in many years.


It's sort of bizarre. Asking questions and then claiming never to have asked, making wild claims and then refusing to back them up while claiming that you did, changing claims as the days go by but refusing to read any of the actual evidence that is put forward. My patience has pretty much run out though and my pity to anyone bothering to read this crap.
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I have already said what I had to say. Now I can also ask you to prove to me that the NHL does not seek to weaken the IIHF competitions and that the franchises leave complete freedom to its players to play with their federation. Good luck.

Anyway, I don't quite understand where you are coming from with me other than wanting to harass me until I give in that you are right.

But that will not happen because I am convinced of what I think and absolutely not convinced by your argumentation which is based only on harassment.

Stop your stupid game. I have the right to my beliefs.
 
Miro4Norris said:
Yeah they don't have more than 6 star players but 3rd line isn't concern for me because somehow Granlund is always elite when he plays for Finland, Kakko and Lundell should have development and they're all very good defensively so I feel like they can shut down anyone. 4th isn't good but they won't play much. Old Montreal line Lehky-Kotka-Armia can play 10 minutes a night. If Lehkonen plays like last season and especially in playoffs, he's one of the best defensive wingers.

Scoring will rely strongly on top2 lines (or maybe they put stars on three lines?) and d looks bad after Miro and Lindell but i can't see coach Jalonen's team Finland without good defense no matter who the names are.


Finland have had good success with much worse teams, actually I think Finland have never had better team than they will have on WC24.
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Team Sweden might be quite good, too. A comparison between swedish and finnish NHL players below:

Forwards: (31-14 Sweden)
  • Aleksander Barkov (C) Florida Panthers 67 39 49 88 1.31 18 36
  • Mikko Rantanen (W/C) Colorado Avalanche 75 36 56 92 1.23 56 35
  • Filip Forsberg (W/C) Nashville Predators 69 42 42 84 1.22 22 12
  • Gabriel Landeskog (LW/RW) Colorado Avalanche 51 30 29 59 1.16 78 27
  • Sebastian Aho (C/LW) Carolina Hurricanes 79 37 44 81 1.03 38 18
  • Elias Lindholm (C) Calgary Flames 82 42 40 82 1.00 22 61
  • Mika Zibanejad (C) New York Rangers 81 29 52 81 1.00 12 30
  • Patrik Laine (LW/RW) Columbus Blue Jackets 56 26 30 56 1.00 24 -7
  • William Nylander (RW) Toronto Maple Leafs 81 34 46 80 0.99 16 -9
  • Jesper Bratt (LW/RW) New Jersey Devils 76 26 47 73 0.96 16 0
  • Roope Hintz (C/LW) Dallas Stars 80 37 35 72 0.90 28 15
  • Elias Pettersson (C/W) Vancouver Canucks 80 32 36 68 0.85 12 1
  • Teuvo Teräväinen (W/C) Carolina Hurricanes 77 22 43 65 0.84 24 22
  • Mikael Granlund (C) Nashville Predators 80 11 53 64 0.80 33 -9
  • André Burakovsky (LW/RW) Colorado Avalanche 80 22 39 61 0.76 18 12
  • Viktor Arvidsson (LW/RW) Los Angeles Kings 66 20 29 49 0.74 22 1
  • Lucas Raymond (RW) Detroit Red Wings 82 23 34 57 0.70 16 -32
  • Adrian Kempe (C/W) Los Angeles Kings 78 35 19 54 0.69 46 -2
  • Victor Olofsson (LW/RW) Buffalo Sabres 72 20 29 49 0.68 6 -16
  • Anton Lundell (C) Florida Panthers 65 18 26 44 0.68 18 33
  • Artturi Lehkonen (LW) totals 74 19 19 38 0.51 22 1
  • Nicklas Bäckström (C) Washington Capitals 47 6 25 31 0.66 12 -8
  • Gustav Nyquist (C/W) Columbus Blue Jackets 82 18 35 53 0.65 26 -12
  • Joel Eriksson Ek (C) Minnesota Wild 77 26 23 49 0.64 28 16
  • Rickard Rakell (W/C) totals 70 20 21 41 0.59 12 0
  • Fabian Zetterlund (LW) New Jersey Devils 14 3 5 8 0.57 0 5
  • Erik Haula (LW/C) Boston Bruins 78 18 26 44 0.56 47 19
  • Jesse Puljujärvi (RW) Edmonton Oilers 65 14 22 36 0.55 20 22
  • William Karlsson (C) Vegas Golden Knights 67 12 23 35 0.52 10 3
  • Andreas Johnsson (LW/RW) New Jersey Devils 71 13 22 35 0.49 30 4
  • Johan Larsson (C/LW) totals 43 7 14 21 0.49 32 -4
  • Mikael Backlund (C) Calgary Flames 82 12 27 39 0.48 30 16
  • Alexander Wennberg (C) Seattle Kraken 80 11 26 37 0.46 28 -26
  • Calle Järnkrok (C/W) totals 66 12 18 30 0.45 6 -14
  • Victor Rask (C/LW) totals 47 9 12 21 0.45 2 4
  • Pierre Engvall (LW/RW) Toronto Maple Leafs 78 15 20 35 0.45 30 13
  • Jesperi Kotkaniemi (C/LW) Carolina Hurricanes 66 12 17 29 0.44 37 3
  • William Eklund (C/LW) San Jose Sharks 9 0 4 4 0.44 2 -3
  • Patric Hörnqvist (RW) Florida Panthers 65 11 17 28 0.43 19 -5
  • Marcus Johansson (C/LW) totals 69 9 20 29 0.42 4 -26
  • Jesper Fast (RW) Carolina Hurricanes 82 14 20 34 0.42 4 24
  • Kaapo Kakko (RW) New York Rangers 43 7 11 18 0.42 10 9
  • Kasperi Kapanen (RW/LW) Pittsburgh Penguins 79 11 21 32 0.41 16 2
  • Jesper Boqvist (C/LW) New Jersey Devils 56 10 13 23 0.41 10 -9
  • Jakob Silfverberg (RW/LW) Anaheim Ducks 53 5 16 21 0.40 30 -3

Defensemen: (32-15 Team Sweden)
  • Victor Hedman Tampa Bay Lightning 82 20 65 85 1.04 36 26
  • Erik Karlsson San Jose Sharks 50 10 25 35 0.70 14 -14
  • Rasmus Dahlin Buffalo Sabres 80 13 40 53 0.66 68 -22
  • John Klingberg Dallas Stars 74 6 41 47 0.64 34 -28
  • Rasmus Andersson Calgary Flames 82 4 46 50 0.61 28 30
  • Gustav Forsling Florida Panthers 71 10 27 37 0.52 18 41
  • Miro Heiskanen Dallas Stars 70 5 31 36 0.51 24 3
  • Alexander Edler Los Angeles Kings 41 3 16 19 0.46 34 18
  • Sami Niku Montréal Canadiens 13 0 6 6 0.46 2 3
  • Oliver Kylington Calgary Flames 73 9 22 31 0.43 14 34
  • Adam Boqvist Columbus Blue Jackets 52 11 11 22 0.42 12 -11
  • Ville Heinola Winnipeg Jets 12 0 5 5 0.42 10 -2
  • Jonas Brodin Minnesota Wild 73 5 25 30 0.41 18 9
  • Mattias Ekholm Nashville Predators 76 6 25 31 0.41 44 14
  • Calle Rosén St. Louis Blues 18 2 5 7 0.39 4 -2
  • Hampus Lindholm totals 71 5 22 27 0.38 46 10
  • Timothy Liljegren Toronto Maple Leafs 61 5 18 23 0.38 14 15
  • Oliver Ekman Larsson Vancouver Canucks 79 5 24 29 0.37 52 5
  • Esa Lindell Dallas Stars 76 4 21 25 0.33 12 4
  • Sebastian Aho New York Islanders 36 2 10 12 0.33 10 -6
  • Henri Jokiharju Buffalo Sabres 60 3 16 19 0.32 20 -8
  • Rasmus Sandin Toronto Maple Leafs 51 5 11 16 0.31 4 9
  • Lassi Thomson Ottawa Senators 16 0 5 5 0.31 2 -8
  • Anton Strålman Arizona Coyotes 74 8 15 23 0.31 12 -16
  • Adam Larsson Seattle Kraken 82 8 17 25 0.31 55 -23
  • Erik Gustafsson Chicago Blackhawks 59 3 15 18 0.31 14 -4
  • Marcus Pettersson Pittsburgh Penguins 72 2 17 19 0.26 38 8
  • Erik Brännström Ottawa Senators 53 0 14 14 0.26 30 -17
  • Rasmus Ristolainen Philadelphia Flyers 66 2 14 16 0.24 38 -9
  • Niko Mikkola St. Louis Blues 54 3 10 13 0.24 55 -6
  • Robin Salo New York Islanders 21 1 4 5 0.24 4 -6
  • Gabriel Carlsson Columbus Blue Jackets 38 2 7 9 0.24 10 6
  • Lucas Carlsson Florida Panthers 40 3 6 9 0.23 10 3
  • Juuso Välimäki Calgary Flames 9 0 2 2 0.22 10 0
  • Urho Vaakanainen totals 29 0 6 6 0.21 10 -5
  • Gustav Lindström Detroit Red Wings 63 1 12 13 0.21 22 -12
  • Nils Lundkvist New York Rangers 25 1 3 4 0.16 0 4
  • Jani Hakanpää Dallas Stars 80 4 8 12 0.15 43 1
  • William Lagesson totals 33 0 5 5 0.15 13 3
  • Robert Hägg totals 64 1 8 9 0.14 35 -9
  • Philip Broberg Edmonton Oilers 23 1 2 3 0.13 8 -8
  • Olli Määttä Los Angeles Kings 66 1 7 8 0.12 10 17
  • Tobias Björnfot Los Angeles Kings 70 0 8 8 0.11 6 -12
  • Patrik Nemeth New York Rangers 63 2 5 7 0.11 28 -9
  • Markus Nutivaara Florida Panthers 1 0 1 1 1.00 0 0
  • Olli Juolevi totals 18 0 0 0 0.00 6 -1
  • Victor Söderström Arizona Coyotes 16 0 0 0 0.00 6 -7

Goalies:
  • Jacob Markström Calgary Flames 63 2.22 .922 37 15 9 9 3696 1617
  • Ville Husso St. Louis Blues 40 2.56 .919 25 7 6 2 2341 1136
  • Juuse Saros Nashville Predators 67 2.64 .918 38 25 3 4 3931 1934
  • Linus Ullmark Boston Bruins 41 2.45 .917 26 10 2 1 2330 1045
  • Anton Forsberg Ottawa Senators 46 2.82 .917 22 17 4 1 2571 1336
  • Antti Raanta Carolina Hurricanes 28 2.45 .912 15 5 4 2 1517 644
  • Kaapo Kähkönen Edmonton Oilers 36 2.87 .912 14 14 4 0 1946 963
  • Robin Lehner Vegas Golden Knights 44 2.83 .907 23 17 2 1 2547 1168
  • Mikko Koskinen Edmonton Oilers 45 3.10 .903 27 12 4 1 2629 1261
 
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Team Sweden might be quite good, too. A comparison between swedish and finnish NHL players below:

Forwards: (31-14 Sweden)
  • Aleksander Barkov (C) Florida Panthers 67 39 49 88 1.31 18 36
  • Mikko Rantanen (W/C) Colorado Avalanche 75 36 56 92 1.23 56 35
  • Filip Forsberg (W/C) Nashville Predators 69 42 42 84 1.22 22 12
  • Gabriel Landeskog (LW/RW) Colorado Avalanche 51 30 29 59 1.16 78 27
  • Sebastian Aho (C/LW) Carolina Hurricanes 79 37 44 81 1.03 38 18
  • Elias Lindholm (C) Calgary Flames 82 42 40 82 1.00 22 61
  • Mika Zibanejad (C) New York Rangers 81 29 52 81 1.00 12 30
  • Patrik Laine (LW/RW) Columbus Blue Jackets 56 26 30 56 1.00 24 -7
  • William Nylander (RW) Toronto Maple Leafs 81 34 46 80 0.99 16 -9
  • Jesper Bratt (LW/RW) New Jersey Devils 76 26 47 73 0.96 16 0
  • Roope Hintz (C/LW) Dallas Stars 80 37 35 72 0.90 28 15
  • Elias Pettersson (C/W) Vancouver Canucks 80 32 36 68 0.85 12 1
  • Teuvo Teräväinen (W/C) Carolina Hurricanes 77 22 43 65 0.84 24 22
  • Mikael Granlund (C) Nashville Predators 80 11 53 64 0.80 33 -9
  • André Burakovsky (LW/RW) Colorado Avalanche 80 22 39 61 0.76 18 12
  • Viktor Arvidsson (LW/RW) Los Angeles Kings 66 20 29 49 0.74 22 1
  • Lucas Raymond (RW) Detroit Red Wings 82 23 34 57 0.70 16 -32
  • Adrian Kempe (C/W) Los Angeles Kings 78 35 19 54 0.69 46 -2
  • Victor Olofsson (LW/RW) Buffalo Sabres 72 20 29 49 0.68 6 -16
  • Anton Lundell (C) Florida Panthers 65 18 26 44 0.68 18 33
  • Artturi Lehkonen (LW) totals 74 19 19 38 0.51 22 1
  • Nicklas Bäckström (C) Washington Capitals 47 6 25 31 0.66 12 -8
  • Gustav Nyquist (C/W) Columbus Blue Jackets 82 18 35 53 0.65 26 -12
  • Joel Eriksson Ek (C) Minnesota Wild 77 26 23 49 0.64 28 16
  • Rickard Rakell (W/C) totals 70 20 21 41 0.59 12 0
  • Fabian Zetterlund (LW) New Jersey Devils 14 3 5 8 0.57 0 5
  • Erik Haula (LW/C) Boston Bruins 78 18 26 44 0.56 47 19
  • Jesse Puljujärvi (RW) Edmonton Oilers 65 14 22 36 0.55 20 22
  • William Karlsson (C) Vegas Golden Knights 67 12 23 35 0.52 10 3
  • Andreas Johnsson (LW/RW) New Jersey Devils 71 13 22 35 0.49 30 4
  • Johan Larsson (C/LW) totals 43 7 14 21 0.49 32 -4
  • Mikael Backlund (C) Calgary Flames 82 12 27 39 0.48 30 16
  • Alexander Wennberg (C) Seattle Kraken 80 11 26 37 0.46 28 -26
  • Calle Järnkrok (C/W) totals 66 12 18 30 0.45 6 -14
  • Victor Rask (C/LW) totals 47 9 12 21 0.45 2 4
  • Pierre Engvall (LW/RW) Toronto Maple Leafs 78 15 20 35 0.45 30 13
  • Jesperi Kotkaniemi (C/LW) Carolina Hurricanes 66 12 17 29 0.44 37 3
  • William Eklund (C/LW) San Jose Sharks 9 0 4 4 0.44 2 -3
  • Patric Hörnqvist (RW) Florida Panthers 65 11 17 28 0.43 19 -5
  • Marcus Johansson (C/LW) totals 69 9 20 29 0.42 4 -26
  • Jesper Fast (RW) Carolina Hurricanes 82 14 20 34 0.42 4 24
  • Kaapo Kakko (RW) New York Rangers 43 7 11 18 0.42 10 9
  • Kasperi Kapanen (RW/LW) Pittsburgh Penguins 79 11 21 32 0.41 16 2
  • Jesper Boqvist (C/LW) New Jersey Devils 56 10 13 23 0.41 10 -9
  • Jakob Silfverberg (RW/LW) Anaheim Ducks 53 5 16 21 0.40 30 -3

Defensemen: (32-15 Team Sweden)
  • Victor Hedman Tampa Bay Lightning 82 20 65 85 1.04 36 26
  • Erik Karlsson San Jose Sharks 50 10 25 35 0.70 14 -14
  • Rasmus Dahlin Buffalo Sabres 80 13 40 53 0.66 68 -22
  • John Klingberg Dallas Stars 74 6 41 47 0.64 34 -28
  • Rasmus Andersson Calgary Flames 82 4 46 50 0.61 28 30
  • Gustav Forsling Florida Panthers 71 10 27 37 0.52 18 41
  • Miro Heiskanen Dallas Stars 70 5 31 36 0.51 24 3
  • Alexander Edler Los Angeles Kings 41 3 16 19 0.46 34 18
  • Sami Niku Montréal Canadiens 13 0 6 6 0.46 2 3
  • Oliver Kylington Calgary Flames 73 9 22 31 0.43 14 34
  • Adam Boqvist Columbus Blue Jackets 52 11 11 22 0.42 12 -11
  • Ville Heinola Winnipeg Jets 12 0 5 5 0.42 10 -2
  • Jonas Brodin Minnesota Wild 73 5 25 30 0.41 18 9
  • Mattias Ekholm Nashville Predators 76 6 25 31 0.41 44 14
  • Calle Rosén St. Louis Blues 18 2 5 7 0.39 4 -2
  • Hampus Lindholm totals 71 5 22 27 0.38 46 10
  • Timothy Liljegren Toronto Maple Leafs 61 5 18 23 0.38 14 15
  • Oliver Ekman Larsson Vancouver Canucks 79 5 24 29 0.37 52 5
  • Esa Lindell Dallas Stars 76 4 21 25 0.33 12 4
  • Sebastian Aho New York Islanders 36 2 10 12 0.33 10 -6
  • Henri Jokiharju Buffalo Sabres 60 3 16 19 0.32 20 -8
  • Rasmus Sandin Toronto Maple Leafs 51 5 11 16 0.31 4 9
  • Lassi Thomson Ottawa Senators 16 0 5 5 0.31 2 -8
  • Anton Strålman Arizona Coyotes 74 8 15 23 0.31 12 -16
  • Adam Larsson Seattle Kraken 82 8 17 25 0.31 55 -23
  • Erik Gustafsson Chicago Blackhawks 59 3 15 18 0.31 14 -4
  • Marcus Pettersson Pittsburgh Penguins 72 2 17 19 0.26 38 8
  • Erik Brännström Ottawa Senators 53 0 14 14 0.26 30 -17
  • Rasmus Ristolainen Philadelphia Flyers 66 2 14 16 0.24 38 -9
  • Niko Mikkola St. Louis Blues 54 3 10 13 0.24 55 -6
  • Robin Salo New York Islanders 21 1 4 5 0.24 4 -6
  • Gabriel Carlsson Columbus Blue Jackets 38 2 7 9 0.24 10 6
  • Lucas Carlsson Florida Panthers 40 3 6 9 0.23 10 3
  • Juuso Välimäki Calgary Flames 9 0 2 2 0.22 10 0
  • Urho Vaakanainen totals 29 0 6 6 0.21 10 -5
  • Gustav Lindström Detroit Red Wings 63 1 12 13 0.21 22 -12
  • Nils Lundkvist New York Rangers 25 1 3 4 0.16 0 4
  • Jani Hakanpää Dallas Stars 80 4 8 12 0.15 43 1
  • William Lagesson totals 33 0 5 5 0.15 13 3
  • Robert Hägg totals 64 1 8 9 0.14 35 -9
  • Philip Broberg Edmonton Oilers 23 1 2 3 0.13 8 -8
  • Olli Määttä Los Angeles Kings 66 1 7 8 0.12 10 17
  • Tobias Björnfot Los Angeles Kings 70 0 8 8 0.11 6 -12
  • Patrik Nemeth New York Rangers 63 2 5 7 0.11 28 -9
  • Markus Nutivaara Florida Panthers 1 0 1 1 1.00 0 0
  • Olli Juolevi totals 18 0 0 0 0.00 6 -1
  • Victor Söderström Arizona Coyotes 16 0 0 0 0.00 6 -7

Goalies:
  • Jacob Markström Calgary Flames 63 2.22 .922 37 15 9 9 3696 1617
  • Ville Husso St. Louis Blues 40 2.56 .919 25 7 6 2 2341 1136
  • Juuse Saros Nashville Predators 67 2.64 .918 38 25 3 4 3931 1934
  • Linus Ullmark Boston Bruins 41 2.45 .917 26 10 2 1 2330 1045
  • Anton Forsberg Ottawa Senators 46 2.82 .917 22 17 4 1 2571 1336
  • Antti Raanta Carolina Hurricanes 28 2.45 .912 15 5 4 2 1517 644
  • Kaapo Kähkönen Edmonton Oilers 36 2.87 .912 14 14 4 0 1946 963
  • Robin Lehner Vegas Golden Knights 44 2.83 .907 23 17 2 1 2547 1168
  • Mikko Koskinen Edmonton Oilers 45 3.10 .903 27 12 4 1 2629 1261
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It's not a bad roster, there are just very few BIG names.
 
Jesus Navas said:
I have already said what I had to say. Now I can also ask you to prove to me that the NHL does not seek to weaken the IIHF competitions and that the franchises leave complete freedom to its players to play with their federation. Good luck.

Anyway, I don't quite understand where you are coming from with me other than wanting to harass me until I give in that you are right.

But that will not happen because I am convinced of what I think and absolutely not convinced by your argumentation which is based only on harassment.

Stop your stupid game. I have the right to my beliefs.
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It is almost impossible to prove a negative, such as that "the NHL does not seek to weaken the IIHF competitions..." which is why the onus is on someone to prove a claim. I have already shown you that the NHL allows available players to participate in the IIHF world championships as per the CBA that I posted and you seemingly didn't read. I can also provide a quote from Daly that conveys how the NHL did plan to use the World Cup in lieu of Olympic participation. It is your ridiculous claims about the IIHF world championship that are totally unsubstantiated.

I am asking you repeatedly to provide proof of your fictional claims. You keep refusing, and it's obvious why - you don't have proof. You made a lot of poor assumptions and refuse to even defend them. Which is fine, if you want to endlessly prove that you are talking out of your ass about fiction then mission accomplished. No one denies that you have your beliefs, it is that your beliefs are ridiculous in many of your posts and you are totally unable to defend them.

So again - instead of repeating your right to have your belief, try actually defending it. Provide names and evidence of players who were eligible to play in the IIHF world championship and were "intimidated" by their NHL team into not going. You claimed that this happens regularly so there must be many examples... unless you are completely making it up, as it seems so far.
 
JackSlater said:
It is almost impossible to prove a negative, such as that "the NHL does not seek to weaken the IIHF competitions..." which is why the onus is on someone to prove a claim. I have already shown you that the NHL allows available players to participate in the IIHF world championships as per the CBA that I posted and you seemingly didn't read. I can also provide a quote from Daly that conveys how the NHL did plan to use the World Cup in lieu of Olympic participation. It is your ridiculous claims about the IIHF world championship that are totally unsubstantiated.

I am asking you repeatedly to provide proof of your fictional claims. You keep refusing, and it's obvious why - you don't have proof. You made a lot of poor assumptions and refuse to even defend them. Which is fine, if you want to endlessly prove that you are talking out of your ass about fiction then mission accomplished. No one denies that you have your beliefs, it is that your beliefs are ridiculous in many of your posts and you are totally unable to defend them.

So again - instead of repeating your right to have your belief, try actually defending it. Provide names and evidence of players who were eligible to play in the IIHF world championship and were "intimidated" by their NHL team into not going. You claimed that this happens regularly so there must be many examples... unless you are completely making it up, as it seems so far.
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Look, you're the type of guy who would ask for proof that your wife is cheating on you, I show you a picture of her with a man holding her by the hip in the street you would say: it's not proof.

The facts speak for themselves. I've already told you that athletes have explained how difficult negotiations are with franchises.

It is obvious that the NHL franchises do not want their active players to play elsewhere during the year and that at the head of the NHL institution, there is no desire to share international hockey.

These are the facts. Not a fiction. Ultimately, if there is a fiction in history, it is this 2024 World Cup. I've wasted too much time with you. You have nothing else to say than to harass me by asking me for proofs which will in any case be challenged by your bad faith.
 
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