World Cup: 2024 World Cup - rosters

[namttebih]

Une assurance trois étoiles pour les Bleus

Afin d'anticiper les pertes financières liées à d'éventuelles blessures, les joueurs de football - et les clubs qui les emploient - souscrivent... - A la une

www.argusdelassurance.com

You can do google translation to see that it is the clubs that insure the players during international competitions.

In the case of hockey, it would only be a question of renting players for two weeks a year for a few matches. So the risk of a serious injury is very low. In Football, players are assigned 2 months a year.

I was talking about the European side. Europeans have the opportunity to see international hockey. NHL games are very rarely broadcast. I saw my first hockey game at 11 just by turning on the television. I saw my first NHL game at 31. And for that, I had to take out an NHL TV subscription. Otherwise I would still wait.

And if IIHF offers a more interesting U20 tournament that attracts, it is not thanks to TSN. This is because international competitions attract fans. TSN pays for the request.

A Sweden U20/Finland U20 1/2 Final attracts more than just a Detroit Red Wings/Colorado Avalanche regular season game.

An annual world senior championship with NHL players would be a hit.

The U20 tournament was nothing - less than nothing before 91 when TSN started hyping it.
And the IIHF's secret to a successful tournament? Have Canada host it. Again, this is because TSN marketed the wholy hell out of it. What do attendance numbers look like for the tournament when in Europe???

 

[Belloco]

The U20 tournament was nothing - less than nothing before 91 when TSN started hyping it.
And the IIHF's secret to a successful tournament? Have Canada host it. Again, this is because TSN marketed the wholy hell out of it. What do attendance numbers look like for the tournament when in Europe???

What ethnocentrism. I'll learn you something : there's more atmosphere in a German championship game than in an NHL game.

 

[jj cale]

What ethnocentrism. I'll learn you something : there's more atmosphere in a German championship game than in an NHL game.

This has nothing to do with ethnocentrism or what the atmosphere is like in a german championship game, this has to do with the tournament being popular because of TSN and Canadian fans supporting it for so long due to TSN's marketing and Canadians being big fans of hockey period. They single handedly took a product that could be marketed to an audience it could be marketed to.


Nothing about what this tournament has become was the result of the IIHF or fans in Germany. That's what he is saying, and he's right.

 

[namttebih]

What ethnocentrism. I'll learn you something : there's more atmosphere in a German championship game than in an NHL game.

Show me the numbers. What were attendance/viewership numbers before '91? I didn't say anything about atmosphere or the NHL.

You've run out of viable arguments and are creating strawman. If you have nothing of value to say, just stop.

 

[Belloco]

Show me the numbers. What were attendance/viewership numbers before '91? I didn't say anything about atmosphere or the NHL.

You've run out of viable arguments and are creating strawman. If you have nothing of value to say, just stop.

The number does not make the atmosphere. Watch Koln or Manheim play, the atmosphere is great.

Bringing international hockey to secondary European cities is good too.

The World Championships should celebrate the growing diversity of hockey. The worst thing to do would be to close in on Canada.

 

[jj cale]

The number does not make the atmosphere. Watch Koln or Manheim play, the atmosphere is great.

Bringing international hockey to secondary European cities is good too.

The World Championships should celebrate the growing diversity of hockey. The worst thing to do would be to close in on Canada.

no worries with that happening with the world championships, it's strictly a European controlled championship, they've got a strangle lock on that thing.

Does that bother you the same? It doesn't sound like it, why ?


One more thing, hockey isn't much more diverse then it was when I first started watching it almost 50 years ago, almost the exact same cast of characters that have a chance to win.

 

[SanDogBrewin]

I have already said what I had to say. Now I can also ask you to prove to me that the NHL does not seek to weaken the IIHF competitions and that the franchises leave complete freedom to its players to play with their federation. Good luck.

Anyway, I don't quite understand where you are coming from with me other than wanting to harass me until I give in that you are right.

But that will not happen because I am convinced of what I think and absolutely not convinced by your argumentation which is based only on harassment.

Stop your stupid game. I have the right to my beliefs.

You cannot prove that the NHL intimidates players into not playing at IIHF World Championships.

No one is harrasing you. Show your proof. If you don't then your beliefs have no standing.

 

[Belloco]

Show me the numbers. What were attendance/viewership numbers before '91? I didn't say anything about atmosphere or the NHL.

You've run out of viable arguments and are creating strawman. If you have nothing of value to say, just stop.

Decidedly on this site, people like to waste my time.

I have no idea where you're coming from other than being rude.

You cannot prove that the NHL intimidates players into not playing at IIHF World Championships.

No one is harrasing you. Show your proof. If you don't then your beliefs have no standing.

I already answered 1000X
Next.

 

[Belloco]

no worries with that happening with the world championships, it's strictly a European controlled championship, they've got a strangle lock on that thing.

Does that bother you the same? It doesn't sound like it, why ?


One more thing, hockey isn't much more diverse then it was when I first started watching it almost 50 years ago, almost the exact same cast of characters that have a chance to win.

IIHF slogan :
Partnership for progres
Fairplay and respect

I leave you to reflect on the values promoted by the competition. IIHF even gives away lots of free matches on youtube.

The league represents hockey in its entire diversity and helps to accentuate diversity.

 

[jj cale]

Well that does that I guess, not much else to say in that regard.

Jesus nava has it all figured out and the game is in good hands with him, they just have to do exactly as he wants


May as well get back to possible roster projection.

IIHF slogan :
Partnership for progres
Fairplay and respect

I leave you to reflect on the values promoted by the competition. IIHF even gives away lots of free matches on youtube.

The league represents hockey in its entire diversity and helps to accentuate diversity.

I don't care what their slogans are, who cares? what I do care about is reality, and what you have been saying isn't reality.

 

[namttebih]

The number does not make the atmosphere. Watch Koln or Manheim play, the atmosphere is great.

Bringing international hockey to secondary European cities is good too.

The World Championships should celebrate the growing diversity of hockey. The worst thing to do would be to close in on Canada.

This is something that you literally just posted:

"This is because international competitions attract fans. TSN pays for the request."

I was responding to this. You're the one who changed the subject and started talking about German hockey.

 

[Belloco]

This is something that you literally just posted:

"This is because international competitions attract fans. TSN pays for the request."

I was responding to this. You're the one who changed the subject and started talking about German hockey.

So you made a discovery : people watch more a tournament on TV if it is broadcast on TV.

I fell in love with this sport when it was broadcast on public service during the Nagano Olympics.

Reason why the NHL must leave its players for the Olympics and if possible the IIHF competitions ; more visibility in the World. Volleyball and handball develop like that.

In Western Europe, probably less than 1% of under-15s have seen a hockey game in their lifetime. And if the statistic is wrong, it's not much more.

 

[Albatros]

Volleyball is a major global sport mostly because it's simple and inexpensive to play, hockey will never be no matter what.

 

[Hanji]

NHL & NHLPA are the only ones who can fix international hockey. They represent the the best players in the world and without them it is doomed. They screwed up 2016 & 2018. Let's hope they get 2024 & 2026 correct and repeating.

IIHF had nothing to do with the financial success of the U20 in Canada. That was 100% TSN, Canada's love of Hockey and the Christmas break.

Hockey is doing just fine in the US. Its the 5th most successful league in the world. Pre pandemic revenues were increasing year over year consistently.

It looks like we may be lucky enough to have a best on best every two years. Olympics and World Cup. Success will come with consistency for the World Cup.

The NHL is a joke. Average viewership/game was 460K last year; right below World's Funniest Animals and the Great Chocolate Showdown.
You're telling me the NHL and NHLPA are the only ones who can fix international hockey?

Our sport isn't popular enough for the NHL to sell an international tourney to a mass audience in the US. Only the Olympics can do that; and that requires a joint effort by all parties.
The OG are basically an IIHF run tournament. And the NHLPA needs to push for it, otherwise the NHL would refuse to go.

The NHL is actually a hinderance to international hockey. The NHLPA is the saving grace in North America.

 

[jj cale]

So you made a discovery : people watch more a tournament on TV if it is broadcast on TV.

I fell in love with this sport when it was broadcast on public service during the Nagano Olympics.

Reason why the NHL must leave its players for the Olympics and if possible the IIHF competitions ; more visibility in the World. Volleyball and handball develop like that.

In Western Europe, probably less than 1% of under-15s have seen a hockey game in their lifetime. And if the statistic is wrong, it's not much more.

Whose fault is that? plenty of chances to catch high level hockey every year with the WHC, lot easier to get around in Western europe then North America too with it's much smaller geographical size, great rail service too. If they have never seen a hockey game in their life it's because they haven't wanted to or have not wanted to enough. And also, with or without NHL players in the olympics, the sport hasn't gone anywhere, they can see it on T.V every 4 years like you with Nagano.

Perhaps the problem lies with European nations, they prefer other sports?

But that's not the NHL, Canada's or the U.S problem, we already have our market. That's why we have a lot of pull with the best league in the world with the best players..

But if europeans prefer football I have no issue with it, it's a free society.

 

[jj cale]

The NHL is a joke. Average viewership/game was 460K last year; right below World's Funniest Animals and the Great Chocolate Showdown.
You're telling me the NHL and NHLPA are the only ones who can fix international hockey?

Our sport isn't popular enough for the NHL to sell an international tourney to a mass audience in the US. Only the Olympics can do that; and that requires a joint effort by all parties.
The OG are basically an IIHF run tournament. And the NHLPA needs to push for it, otherwise the NHL would refuse to go.

The NHL is actually a hinderance to international hockey. The NHLPA is the saving grace in North America.

you make a legitimate point but the only time they have had mass audiences for it with the olympics so far is for games involving the U.S in that tournament ( not sure what viewership was for in gold medal games not involving the U.S) but it hasn't translated into major viewership for the game itself there the moment the olympics end.


How many cracks will they need I wonder? It would appear it's largely a patriotic thing for the U,S and once that is done and over with they go back to the sports they most love and grow up with, we all know what they are.

 

[Hanji]

This has nothing to do with ethnocentrism or what the atmosphere is like in a german championship game, this has to do with the tournament being popular because of TSN and Canadian fans supporting it for so long due to TSN's marketing and Canadians being big fans of hockey period. They single handedly took a product that could be marketed to an audience it could be marketed to.


Nothing about what this tournament has become was the result of the IIHF or fans in Germany. That's what he is saying, and he's right.

Nothing to do with the IIHF? The WJC is about as entertaining a tournament as you can get. The national federations put on a marvelous show.

There's no way TSN could have generated such interest in Canada if the WJC was merely an average product.

 

[jj cale]

Nothing to do with the IIHF? The WJC is about as entertaining a tournament as you can get. The national federations put on a marvelous show.

There's no way TSN could have generated such interest in Canada if the WJC was merely an average product.

In making tt as big as it became? no, that was Canada and TSN, it takes nothing to attach your name to it.


But they didn't make it what is has become, no way, cmon!!

They hold a scheduled tournament and the IIHF name is on it, but they didn't build it. They sure as hell didn't do it here I can tell you that.

 

[Hanji]

you make a legitimate point but the only time they have had mass audiences for it with the olympics so far is for games involving the U.S in that tournament ( not sure what viewership was for in gold medal games not involving the U.S) but it hasn't translated into major viewership for the game itself there the moment the olympics end.


How many cracks will they need I wonder? It would appear it's largely a patriotic thing for the U,S and once that is done and over with they go back to the sports they most love and grow up with, we all know what they are.

I agree. But my point is in regards to the health of the international game, not the NHL.

As long as we have best-on-best Olympics, people will watch en masse. The country will remember and cherish extraordinary moments (just like we do for other Olympic sports nobody would watch otherwise).
It's patriotism, it's collectivity, it's an event.

The world Cup? I dunno, maybe on a good day it can rival the popularity of National Spelling Bee?

 

[Hanji]

In making tt as big as it became? no, that was Canada and TSN, it takes nothing to attach your name to it.


But they didn't make it what is has become, no way, cmon!!

They hold a scheduled tournament and the IIHF name is on it, but they didn't build it. They sure as hell didn't do it here I can tell you that.

I'm not denying TSN's influence. But you can't market an average product to that level for decades.
Fact is the IIHF puts on a fantastic show. THe WJC are about as entertaining as you can get.

Sure TSN marketed the crap out of it, but the IIHF (the national federations) brought the goods.

 

[Boonk]

What ethnocentrism. I'll learn you something : there's more atmosphere in a German championship game than in an NHL game.

Literally no one cares about this argument. You've had none and you still have none. Enjoy this L.

 

[Belloco]

Literally no one cares about this argument. You've had none and you still have none. Enjoy this L.

Still need to follow the discussion. Someone said that U20 tournaments only worked if they were organized in Canada.

The argument of atmospheres in the rinks of certain European leagues made it possible to argue that a U20 tournament can be successful elsewhere than in Canada.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

It's pathetic that the only time Connor McDavid has been able to play at the highest international level has been on the U-23 team in the 2016 World Cup of Hockey

Thank Bettman et al for that.

 

[Czechboy]

Page 13 and maybe 10 rosters posted....

 

[jj cale]

I agree. But my point is in regards to the health of the international game, not the NHL.

As long as we have best-on-best Olympics, people will watch en masse. The country will remember and cherish extraordinary moments (just like we do for other Olympic sports nobody would watch otherwise).
It's patriotism, it's collectivity, it's an event.

The world Cup? I dunno, maybe on a good day it can rival the popularity of National Spelling Bee?

People will watch en masse but I thought the point of all this arguing was about growing the game and which is the best way to do it? The olympics haven't done it, it's just had people watching en masse for 2 weeks.

The NHL has probably done far more for growing the game then them with expansion into non traditional markets, just take one Auston Matthews, he will most likely end his career as the best American player ever and he's from .............................Arizona of all places, who could have guessed that even10 years ago?

I legit laughed at the national spelling bee crack because it's so true.

Page 13 and maybe 10 rosters posted....

When it comes to best on best events, you know how it goes on blanket threads here, the rosters seem to be the least thing talked about.

Normally need to go for the country thread for that.