World Cup: 2024 World Cup - rosters

[jj cale]

I'm not denying TSN's influence. But you can't market an average product to that level for decades.
Fact is the IIHF puts on a fantastic show. THe WJC are about as entertaining as you can get.

Sure TSN marketed the crap out of it, but the IIHF (the national federations) brought the goods.

But it's not really the IIHF putting on that show, at least not in Canada where it's held the majority of the time................................it's the host Canadian cities and TSN doing all the heavy lifting there, they are the ones putting the show on, tsn markets it crazy and aside from an outlier like this year the Canadian fans support it with the fannies in the seat and appetite for it, the IIHF merely sanctions the tournament and attaches their name to it.

This tournament was basically made by TSN and the Canadian fans.

 

[Silky Johnson]

The NHL is a joke. Average viewership/game was 460K last year; right below World's Funniest Animals and the Great Chocolate Showdown.
You're telling me the NHL and NHLPA are the only ones who can fix international hockey?

Our sport isn't popular enough for the NHL to sell an international tourney to a mass audience in the US. Only the Olympics can do that; and that requires a joint effort by all parties.
The OG are basically an IIHF run tournament. And the NHLPA needs to push for it, otherwise the NHL would refuse to go.

The NHL is actually a hinderance to international hockey. The NHLPA is the saving grace in North America.

I understand that you have an irrational hatred of the NHL but please don't let that get in the way of the facts.

The NHL is the 5th largest sports league in the world. Pre-pandemic it was doing very well with revenue nearly doubling between 2009-2019.

NHL league revenue 2023 | Statista

The National Hockey League (NHL) is a professional ice hockey league in North America made up of 30 franchises, with 23 located in the United States and seven in Canada.

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The Olympics had abysmal ratings in 2022 and Hockey was particularly bad, outside of the women's final. That is because without the NHL players Olympic hockey is not compelling.

If the NHL is a joke then what does that make every other league?

The NHL and NHLPA are part of the same system. It's the only place where the players are given a voice. The NHL is really good at making money (relative to hockey). That secures the best players in the world. Those players have a very strong voice in the NHLPA.

The NHL would like to have a World Cup which they control. The NHLPA wants to participate in the Olympics. It looks like going forward they could have an agreement to do both. That sounds pretty good to me.

If we get best on best Hockey every two years for a sustained period of time it will be great and likely render the World Championships useless.

I hope over time the World Cup builds to be more important than the Olympics. That is my personal bias because I think they are and have always been a corrupt & hypocritical shitshow run by arrogant sports beaurocrats. I guess only time will tell.

I am done with this argument. I'm tired of coming on these boards and seeing your constant BS regarding NA hockey. I'm not sure if it's a jealousy thing or a self-loathing thing but it's really sad and tired. Consider this a last response before I block you.

 

[Boonk]

Page 13 and maybe 10 rosters posted....

The thread will pick up more when the actual event comes by. By that time you will have many users from many nationalities bitching and chirping at each other over the games lol. Can't wait to be in here with the American fans at our throats too, those will be good games.

 

[Albatros]

The NHL is the 5th largest sports league in the world.

You'll need to choose your parameters very purposefully to get that result, in soccer alone there are easily that many leagues on a whole different level.

 

[Silky Johnson]

You'll need to choose your parameters very purposefully to get that result, in soccer alone there are easily that many leagues on a whole different level.

Not really. Its very simple. Football is a much bigger sport. Only the EPL is a larger league.

List of professional sports leagues by revenue - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Regardless. My point was that the NHL is a successful sports league. Pretty hard to look at that long list and see where the NHL sits and conclude otherwise.

 

[Albatros]

Not really. Its very simple. Football is a much bigger sport. Only the EPL is a larger league.

List of professional sports leagues by revenue - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Regardless. My point was that the NHL is a successful sports league. Pretty hard to look at that long list and see where the NHL sits and conclude otherwise.

The Champions League, La Liga, the Bundesliga, the Serie A etc. are massively bigger than the NHL, no Wikipedia revenue table can change that.

 

[Silky Johnson]

The Champions League, La Liga, the Bundesliga, the Serie A etc. are massively bigger than the NHL, no Wikipedia revenue table can change that.

Well, if you say so. I mean you make a very compelling argument...

 

[Hanji]

Not really. Its very simple. Football is a much bigger sport. Only the EPL is a larger league.

List of professional sports leagues by revenue - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Regardless. My point was that the NHL is a successful sports league. Pretty hard to look at that long list and see where the NHL sits and conclude otherwise.

You realize the NHL generates more money than top football leagues because it plays 3-4 times as many games, right?
Ironically, part of the reason for this is the NHL’s refusal to break for international competitions.

Overall the NHL ranks 15th in revenue per game; far behind EPL, Bundesliga, La Liga, Serie A, Ligue 1, etc



Nobody cares about the NHL on a game by game basis. TV ratings are abysmal.
Bettman needs to work with the IIHF. If he doesn’t, the NHL’s best v best product (everywhere outside of Canada) will continue to challenge the World Series of Darts and the National Hot Dog Eating Contest for popularity.

 

[Czechboy]

World Series of Darts and the National Hot Dog Eating Contest for popularity.

Read this drinking my morning coffee... well done!lol

 

[SanDogBrewin]

Une assurance trois étoiles pour les Bleus

Afin d'anticiper les pertes financières liées à d'éventuelles blessures, les joueurs de football - et les clubs qui les emploient - souscrivent... - A la une

www.argusdelassurance.com

You can do google translation to see that it is the clubs that insure the players during international competitions.

In the case of hockey, it would only be a question of renting players for two weeks a year for a few matches. So the risk of a serious injury is very low. In Football, players are assigned 2 months a year.

I was talking about the European side. Europeans have the opportunity to see international hockey. NHL games are very rarely broadcast. I saw my first hockey game at 11 just by turning on the television. I saw my first NHL game at 31. And for that, I had to take out an NHL TV subscription. Otherwise I would still wait.

And if IIHF offers a more interesting U20 tournament that attracts, it is not thanks to TSN. This is because international competitions attract fans. TSN pays for the request.

A Sweden U20/Finland U20 1/2 Final attracts more than just a Detroit Red Wings/Colorado Avalanche regular season game.

An annual world senior championship with NHL players would be a hit.

That statement made you look even worse. Advertisers are begging to get on TSN for the U20 tournament. TSN helped the U20 tournament explode in North America.

 

[SanDogBrewin]

Nothing to do with the IIHF? The WJC is about as entertaining a tournament as you can get. The national federations put on a marvelous show.

There's no way TSN could have generated such interest in Canada if the WJC was merely an average product.

It was hard work by TSN to get viewers to understand that 16-20 years olds could be entertaining. Fans didnt think it could measure up to NHL games. That hard work paid off. Now hockey fans across North America cant wait for the U20 Tournament. Tons of interest now.

 

[JAS 39 Gripen]

To put almost all junior tournaments in Canada/US will of course have a negative effect on the global growth of hockey, no one should dispute that, mainly because pretty much no regular fan can watch their countries without sacrificing ones sleep. I mean, I regularly see NA-people here complain about a regular season game that starts 8 or 9pm local time, so those same people should understand that next to no one in the rest of the world will sit up at 3-5am to watch a kids tournament.

The main reason for the WJCH being played almost every year in Canada is because they paid the IIHF 100+ million (sek) for the media rights, gaining power of the schedule etc. I've been on meeting with the IIHF and other federations where they kind of laugh at that, thankfully accepting the money.

I agree that TSN helped pushing the tournament to what it is today in NA, but it's idiotic to think that TSN media have any "power" over for example Swedish news/fans when it comes to the interest that's been building up over the last 15 years here.

 

[Belloco]

That statement made you look even worse. Advertisers are begging to get on TSN for the U20 tournament. TSN helped the U20 tournament explode in North America.

You quote a message that does not speak at all of what you say.

TSN broadcasts IIHF events so what ?

If the NHL was not broadcast by TV channels, the competition would never have taken off either.

And it's the same for all sports.

No visibility, no success. And that's precisely what I initially blamed the NHL for: through economic imperialism, the league greatly reduces the impact of international events when they are the No. 1 showcases for promoting sports in the world.

Who has access to the NHL in Africa, Latin America, Western Europe, Asia, Oceania? Less than 1% of the population.

Who has access to the Winter Olympics? Infinitely more people.

If my public service hadn't promoted the Olympic Hockey Tournament as Nagano's No. 1 event, I wouldn't be here. I wouldn't even know the NHL. And this is the case for all the other licensees in my country.

The kids were hardly able to see hockey at the last Olympic Games. The federation had to invest in the most popular youtuber with young people to promote the sport.

 

[Hanji]

But it's not really the IIHF putting on that show, at least not in Canada where it's held the majority of the time................................it's the host Canadian cities and TSN doing all the heavy lifting there, they are the ones putting the show on, tsn markets it crazy and aside from an outlier like this year the Canadian fans support it with the fannies in the seat and appetite for it, the IIHF merely sanctions the tournament and attaches their name to it.

This tournament was basically made by TSN and the Canadian fans.

Incorrect. The show occurs on the ice, which is a IIHF product.

The IIHF also does the off-ice heavy lifting. The IIHF organizes the tournament via the host federation (IIHF member). The host federation is also responsible for the initial monitary investment in exchange for a majority of the profits; granted they obtain much of this through sponsorship.

Sure TSN promotes it in Canada, and fantastically so. But do they promote it in Finland where the WJC is huge? Do they promote it in Sweden where it's huge.?
I don't believe so.

 

[jj cale]

Incorrect. The show occurs on the ice, which is a IIHF product.

The IIHF also does the off-ice heavy lifting. The IIHF organizes the tournament via the host federation (IIHF member). The host federation is also responsible for the initial monitary investment in exchange for a majority of the profits; granted they obtain much of this through sponsorship.

Sure TSN promotes it in Canada, and fantastically so. But do they promote it in Finland where the WJC is huge? Do they promote it in Sweden where it's huge.?
I don't believe so.

They organize the tournament, great. but as we have both said................Canada does the promoting here and the initial monetary investment, in other words, our ticket buying is what carries the day here, not anything the IIHF does. As for them being responsible for the popularity of the tournament over there, I don't buy them getting the big credit for that. My guess is it became popular indirectly because of how popular the tournament became here and they piggybacked off that in their promotions to the public there( or far more likely in my estimation, their own national medias did), and once the public caught on and won the thing or were in the gold medal games..............it took off, interest naturally grew. But without them knowing what a huge tournament it was over here, it never would have caught on, that's my guess, you need momentum and it would never have gotten momentum without it having some buzz, and that came here first of course. If that tournament hadn't gained some incredible traction here first, would the IIHF have even promoted that in those countries to begin with ?

I'm really skeptical of IIHF promotion validity because they do next to nothing to promote the WHC either here or in the U.S, I mean, nothing. Which leads me to another question, just how much of that promotion in Finland and Sweden has actually been done by the IIHF, and how much has been the result of their own hockey federations and their media? My guess it is it is their media and hockey federations, big time................................same as here.

Let's maybe ask some fans from over there.

 

[Wings4Life]

It appears we are getting a best on best in 2024.

Sadly, won't be a best on best most likely.

We haven't had one of those since 2014.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Without Russia, it's kinda hard to take it seriously.

 

[Silky Johnson]

Without Russia, it's kinda hard to take it seriously.

I find it hard to take russia seriously.

 

[Mathieukferland]

NHL considering World Cup play-in for 2024

The NHL is considering a play-in tournament for the 2024 World Cup of Hockey that would be held directly before the February event, NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly told ESPN.

www.espn.com

This article seems to make it say they’re not completely ruling out Russian player involvement (credit rabid ranger)

 

[Gold Standard]

I find it hard to take russia seriously.

pretty much this. They are falling hard and fast down the irrelevant hole. and they don't seem to want to stop falling.

 

[Lartsaman]

Well things are going into the point that the russians return. So lets make a roster projection for them;

Panarin - Kuznetsov - Kucherov
Kaprizov - Malkin - Nichushkin
Ovechkin - Namestnikov - Svechnikov
Buchnevich - Barbashyov - Guryanov
Tarasenko, Morozov (I added young Ivan Morozov, hes a good prospect and Russia lacks centers)

Sergachev - Zub
Provorov - Orlov
Romanov - Zaitsev
Gavrikov - Samorukov

Vasilevsky - Shestyorkin - Sorokin

Between Sorokin and Bobrovsky I had to think a loooong time but ended up
on Sorokin.

I hope those guys play at the North American group with Canada and USA. The can have their triple super series and destroy the poor qualifier team.

 

[Czechboy]

Well things are going into the point that the russians return. So lets make a roster projection for them;

Panarin - Kuznetsov - Kucherov
Kaprizov - Malkin - Nichushkin
Ovechkin - Namestnikov - Svechnikov
Buchnevich - Barbashyov - Guryanov
Tarasenko, Morozov (I added young Ivan Morozov, hes a good guy and Russia lacks centers)

Sergachev - Zub
Provorov - Orlov
Romanov - Zaitsev
Gavrikov - Samorukov

Vasilevsky - Shestyorkin - Sorokin

Between Sorokin and Bobrovsky I had to think a loooong time but ended
putting Sorokin.

I Hope those guys play at the North American group with Canada and USA. The can have their triple super series and hammer on qualified team,

Best goalie trio IMO

Much improved D from previous tourneys

Weak C depth... Not 100 kuzy could play (or the rest of the team)

Needs Michkov! I think he will hit the scene like Laine did!

 

[Lartsaman]

Best goalie trio IMO

Much improved D from previous tourneys

Weak C depth... Not 100 kuzy could play (or the rest of the team)

Needs Michkov! I think he will hit the scene like Laine did!

If I remember correctly, Kuzys ban was supposed to end by 2023. If so, he will definitely play. Also it would be cool to see Michkov but I think they have enough quality wingers so Michkov won´t probably make it. His time will come in 2026 IF Russia plays.

 

[Gold Standard]

Best goalie trio IMO

Much improved D from previous tourneys

Weak C depth... Not 100 kuzy could play (or the rest of the team)

Needs Michkov! I think he will hit the scene like Laine did!

You always grossly over-estimate that team.

One center who is 36 years old. (good grief) D corp is not much approved at all. I don't think they've improved their D at all. and lousy coaches.

They got a couple of good goalies and a few wingers. That's good enough for a 4th. or 5th place finish. Most likely outcome. They would play for a bronze medal and most likely lose it.

The team that Canada rolled over in Vancouver 12 years ago was a better team than what they got today. Lucky for them they've been banned.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

World Cup of Hockey to me has no meaning. like if Canada wins I'll likely never celebrate even remotely close to how they do when Soccer wins their World Cup.
the real prize is the Stanley Cup this means nothing just be cool to see All Star teams. but Team North America and Team Europe give me a break