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[Belloco]

I answered your question for you of why there would be a place for a World Cup with all the best players even when there is the IIHF world championship with a few of the best players.

The NHL allows players to go if they are not still in the playoffs. That is good enough. There is no reason for the NHL to change any part of its business to accommodate the IIHF world championship when NHL fans by and large do not even want that. There is no push from the players for that to happen as far as I have ever heard. The only push from fans and players is for Olympic participation. And the reason that there is no push to accommodate the IIHF world championship is how badly the IIHF handled its tournament for half a century. You can cry about how you wish things were different or delude yourself into thinking that this somehow involves anything approaching "ethical legitimacy" but those sentiments are a waste of time. There is no reason for the NHL to bend to the desires of the IIHF. That some other sports do it does not matter.

I do not like that the NHL was out of the 2018 Olympics. I would give the IIHF no blame at all for that, only the NHL and IOC. I also recognize that while the IIHF and IOC banned professional players for decades, it was the NHLPA and the NHL that provided the world with its first chance to see the actual best players playing each other. Even the IIHF admits this. It's too bad that the IIHF f***ed up for decades and basically ruined the reputation of its own main tournament in hockey's two biggest countries but that's what happened.

I didn't ask about it. But a statement. Creating a World Cup when there is already a World Championship makes no sense and demonstrates the NHL's willingness not to aid in the promotion of IIHF competitions by imperialism.

NHL blocks players, no debate on that. Players are regularly intimidated when they decide to play an international tournament. This is a very tough negotiation fight.

I doubt that NHL fans are really very excited at the idea of seeing only one competition per year, including an endless regular season. And then what about the more numerous hockey fans who want to see their sport not be monopolized by a single competition ?

As already said, IIHF is not at all responsible for the weakening of its tournament because 60 years ago the international federation promoted an amateur system. It's linked to the presence of a predatory private league. The proof is that in 2004 the World Championship was more successful than the World Cup. The model itself is more attractive. All hockey nations play in championships. The World Cup is just a financial concept that brings together a few nations to play a few matches.

It's exactly the same with FIBA and the NBA in Basketball. In Soccer, the best players in the world can play freely for competitions organized by 4 different federations. The NHL prevents this and it's a problem for hockey to have a league that does not agree to share the schedule and cohabit.

Little information: the Olympic tournament is organized by IIHF, not the IOC. However, you have yet another example of cooperation between two institutions. IIHF collaborates with IOC, KHL and national federations. IIHF cooperates submissively with the NHL. But the NHL is collaborating with no one, helping no one. Grows only to expand his financial empire.

 

[Albatros]

I also recognize that while the IIHF and IOC banned professional players for decades, it was the NHLPA and the NHL that provided the world with its first chance to see the actual best players playing each other. Even the IIHF admits this. It's too bad that the IIHF f***ed up for decades and basically ruined the reputation of its own main tournament in hockey's two biggest countries but that's what happened.

The first Canada Cup took place after professional players had been permitted to join the World Championships.

 

[Boonk]

The first Canada Cup took place after professional players had been permitted to join the World Championships.

1972 Summit Series was the precursor to those events, and the first Canada Cup was in 1976. The IIHF lifted the pro-player ban next year in 1977.

 

[Albatros]

1972 Summit Series was the precursor to those events, and the first Canada Cup was in 1976. The IIHF lifted the pro-player ban next year in 1977.

The IIHF enacted the so-called "open competition" policy in 1976, the 1977 World Championships were merely the first edition of that particular tournament where it applied.

 

[JackSlater]

The first Canada Cup took place after professional players had been permitted to join the World Championships.

Canada pulling out of the IIHF world championship due to the bullshit under Bunny Ahearne is what led to both events. They are connected as the IIHF endorsed the Canada Cup and began allowing professionals at the same time.

 

[Czechboy]

Everyone realizes the 70s were half a century ago, right?

Like a lot has changed since then. Blaming 2022 climate for the 70s is a bit much.

 

[JackSlater]

I didn't ask about it. But a statement. Creating a World Cup when there is already a World Championship makes no sense and demonstrates the NHL's willingness not to aid in the promotion of IIHF competitions by imperialism.

NHL blocks players, no debate on that. Players are regularly intimidated when they decide to play an international tournament. This is a very tough negotiation fight.

I doubt that NHL fans are really very excited at the idea of seeing only one competition per year, including an endless regular season. And then what about the more numerous hockey fans who want to see their sport not be monopolized by a single competition ?

As already said, IIHF is not at all responsible for the weakening of its tournament because 60 years ago the international federation promoted an amateur system. It's linked to the presence of a predatory private league. The proof is that in 2004 the World Championship was more successful than the World Cup. The model itself is more attractive. All hockey nations play in championships. The World Cup is just a financial concept that brings together a few nations to play a few matches.

It's exactly the same with FIBA and the NBA in Basketball. In Soccer, the best players in the world can play freely for competitions organized by 4 different federations. The NHL prevents this and it's a problem for hockey to have a league that does not agree to share the schedule and cohabit.

Little information: the Olympic tournament is organized by IIHF, not the IOC. However, you have yet another example of cooperation between two institutions. IIHF collaborates with IOC, KHL and national federations. IIHF cooperates submissively with the NHL. But the NHL is collaborating with no one, helping no one. Grows only to expand his financial empire.

I see you're mainly indulging in fiction. First off, yes you did ask about it. Multiple times. For example in this post:

There has never been an IIHF incompetence. This federation has always worked very well and it is thanks to it that hockey has diversified somewhat and that Canada no longer represents 95% of the world's elite.

Incompetence, it is on the side of the NHL which has still not found a way to have visibility. The population of hockey is more due to the EA Sports games and (when it was) the highlighting of the Olympic tournament.

IIHF championed the amateur spirit. This may shock a young person born in 2000 who has only known sportsmen or millionaire youtubers and finds it normal, but at the time, the salaries of pro players were already making a company jump that thought it was stupid to pay a hockey player more. than a teacher.

The desire to promote amateur sport was strong and I understand that. I watch Gaelic football and frankly compared to the NFL, the difference is felt.

The vederization of sportsmen was something reduced to North America at the time.

Now, I ask a very simple question: what is the sporting point of organizing a World Cup when there is already a World Championship anchored in the history of this sport? Private leagues are a problem for Sport. As already said, these things are unthinkable in sports not dominated by it.

And again in this post:

Fake.

FIFA easily obtains ten slots to organize meetings throughout the year. Clubs do not have the right to block players.

In hockey, the NHL voluntarily takes the entire calendar from August to July and players are blocked at the slightest pretext (ex : Filip Mesar has to attend camps and is n't available for his federation).

The NHL only agrees with leagues subject to it. Certainly not with the KHL either.

The payment argument does not work. In other sports too and yet no league has the right to deprive federations of access to players.

It's the federations that develop and produce the players, not the NHL.

The NHL kills international competitions. No debate on that.

I repeat my initial reflection: what is the point of organizing a World Cup when there is already a World Championship? To submit the IIHF and to monopolize the event.

The best against best tournament principle could already exist for the Olympic Games and the World Championships. So why create a World Cup?

In what other sport, a private league voluntarily deprives its players of international competitions organized by the international federation to organize its own competition ?

Reason why I boycott this competition which has no historical roots, no regularity. It's just a business competition.

I repeat : the NHL shares nothing, concedes nothing but takes everything. It's imperialism.

The NHL does not block players from the IIHF world championship. It's in the CBA. As far as players being "regularly intimidated when they decide to play an international tournament" you're going to need a source on that. But we know you won't come up with one, because you are talking fiction. The belief that you attempt to ascribe to NHL fans does not reflect any reality I have ever seen. I don't know what presumably fictional metric you are using to even compare which of the 2004 World Cup or world championship was more successful, but I can guarantee you that in the country that won both the relatively forgettable 2004 World Cup is still easily more remembered.

The IIHF is indeed very responsible for weakening its competition. It organized a tournament, called it the "world championship" and then banned the best players for half a century or so. Consequently it never became a big deal in the countries where the NHL exists, which happen to be the largest hockey countries on Earth by number of players. The IIHF f***ed up and the NHL has no reason to help it fix the problem, not that there is a reasonable way to fix it. You keep talking as if the NHL has reason to "aid in the promotions of IIHF competitions" and there really is no reason. NHL fans don't want the NHL to do that, the players don't push for it at all outside of the Olympics, and the IIHF spent half a century banning NHL players. It's ridiculous to expect the NHL to do anything to help aid or promote the IIHF.

 

[ORRFForever]

...the 70s were half a century ago...

^ The most depressing post of the day. ^

It's like when friends get together and someone mentions how long it's been since we were in high school - not "half a century" but it's getting up there.

Where does the time go?

 

[Belloco]

I see you're mainly indulging in fiction. First off, yes you did ask about it. Multiple times. For example in this post:



And again in this post:



The NHL does not block players from the IIHF world championship. It's in the CBA. As far as players being "regularly intimidated when they decide to play an international tournament" you're going to need a source on that. But we know you won't come up with one, because you are talking fiction. The belief that you attempt to ascribe to NHL fans does not reflect any reality I have ever seen. I don't know what presumably fictional metric you are using to even compare which of the 2004 World Cup or world championship was more successful, but I can guarantee you that in the country that won both the relatively forgettable 2004 World Cup is still easily more remembered.

The IIHF is indeed very responsible for weakening its competition. It organized a tournament, called it the "world championship" and then banned the best players for half a century or so. Consequently it never became a big deal in the countries where the NHL exists, which happen to be the largest hockey countries on Earth by number of players. The IIHF f***ed up and the NHL has no reason to help it fix the problem, not that there is a reasonable way to fix it. You keep talking as if the NHL has reason to "aid in the promotions of IIHF competitions" and there really is no reason. NHL fans don't want the NHL to do that, the players don't push for it at all outside of the Olympics, and the IIHF spent half a century banning NHL players. It's ridiculous to expect the NHL to do anything to help aid or promote the IIHF.

I don't see how I will be in fiction, I mention an observation : a private league that crushes its sport.

NHL players are not released without the consent of the franchise. I mentioned previously the case of Filip Mesar who could not play the WJC because his frankness required him to be in the case. It's not Slafkovsky who will have the last word for his participation in the next WJC. The franchise decides. If the franchise refuses, the player cannot participate.

In fact, that's how it works and if a CBA article mentions what you say, it is simply not respected and you know it. Which is even worse.

Such a thing does not exist in sports not dominated by a private league and is specific to hockey and basketball.

I'im okay about it : there will be no collaboration and the world championships will remain weak. It's just that I think it would be better to see the NHL work with the IIHF than see the NHL deprive hockey of major international senior tournaments for 10 years. Maybe more because the existence of a 2024 World Cup is very hypothetical today.

The overwhelming majority of hockey fans would rather see this. The success of the U20 tournament nevertheless demonstrates the strong public interest in international competitions.

It's a financial imperialism logic that leads to the impasse. Not an ancestral grudge on a fact considered today as anecdotal and which involved the North American federations rather than the NHL.

Hockey federations produce all NHL players. It would not be crazy to wish for a magnanimous NHL by cooperating so that international hockey can meet 3 weeks a year with NHL players.

 

[Czechboy]

^ The most depressing post of the day. ^

It's like when friends get together and someone mentions how long it's been since we were in high school - not "half a century" but it's getting up there.

Where does the time go?

So here is another one.. that cast of friends today is older than the cast of golden girls in season 1.

 

[Boonk]

I don't see how I will be in fiction, I mention an observation : a private league that crushes its sport.

NHL players are not released without the consent of the franchise. I mentioned previously the case of Filip Mesar who could not play the WJC because his frankness required him to be in the case. It's not Slafkovsky who will have the last word for his participation in the next WJC. The franchise decides. If the franchise refuses, the player cannot participate.

In fact, that's how it works and if a CBA article mentions what you say, it is simply not respected and you know it. Which is even worse.

Such a thing does not exist in sports not dominated by a private league and is specific to hockey and basketball.

I'im okay about it : there will be no collaboration and the world championships will remain weak. It's just that I think it would be better to see the NHL work with the IIHF than see the NHL deprive hockey of major international senior tournaments for 10 years. See more because the existence of a 2024 World Cup is very hypothetical today.

The overwhelming majority of hockey fans would rather see this. The success of the U20 tournament nevertheless demonstrates the strong public interest in international competitions.

Of course hockey fans would prefer to see the NHL work with the IIHF to promote hockey and of course the NHL has a sporting interest in promoting hockey. But it's a financial imperialism logic that leads to the impasse. Not an ancestral grudge on a fact considered today as anecdotal.

Slafkovsky and Mesar are not going to be worrying about the World Juniors if they have a chance playing full time in the NHL and making millions of dollars doing it. If they don't even make the Habs this upcoming season, they can still play in Europe or the AHL and play for Slovakia in December. In fact before COVID shut down the original World Junior tournament, AHL teams/NHL management all let their U20 eligible players participate in that tournament.

Even if the IIHF and NHL were to agree to some arrangement to host the annual World Championship tournament where the best players are available for all nations, there will still be many players from both the NHL and European leagues that would decline in favor of preparing for the upcoming regular season with their club teams. NHL teams that are out of the playoffs still have really good players of all nations that never end up going and refuse invitations, and its like that from Euro leagues as well. It is the federations who invite the NHL players, and the players choice (with the NHLs permission) if he wants to attend or not. The World Championship in 2022 is just not as prestigious as it once was, that however doesn't mean there's no merit. It's really not that deep like you think it is, and writing paragraph upon paragraph trying to look smart doesn't make you as such.

 

[Belloco]

Slafkovsky and Mesar are not going to be worrying about the World Juniors if they have a chance playing full time in the NHL and making millions of dollars doing it. If they don't even make the Habs this upcoming season, they can still play in Europe or the AHL and play for Slovakia in December. In fact before COVID shut down the original World Junior tournament, AHL teams/NHL management all let their U20 eligible players participate in that tournament.

Even if the IIHF and NHL were to agree to some arrangement to host the annual World Championship tournament where the best players are available for all nations, there will still be many players from both the NHL and European leagues that would decline in favor of preparing for the upcoming regular season with their club teams. NHL teams that are out of the playoffs still have really good players of all nations that never end up going and refuse invitations, and its like that from Euro leagues as well. The World Championship in 2022 is just not as prestigious as it once was, it's really not that deep like you think it is.

Mesar has no chance and everyone knows it. Slafkovsky, I spoke about it only for the tournament this winter. It wouldn't change anything in his bank account. Besides, financially, he may not have an interest in playing this season for the negotiation of his first lucrative contract after 3 years in the NHL, but that is another debate.

It's Montreal and NHL who has total control over the international career and this is unthinkable in other sports not dominated by private leagues. PSG have no power to influence the decisions of Mbappe, Messi or Neymar. UEFA, FIFA, COMMEBOL and LNF cooperate to share events.

Every year, the best U20s are absent because of the NHL. Jack Hughes did not play in his last two years of eligibility. And this is one example among many others. And I think he would have preferred to have the opportunity to win the championship than to play 4 NHL games among 82 others.

What happens in hockey only exists in basketball and it does not help hockey which suffers indefinitely more than basketball because the NHL is invisible next to the NBA. Hockey will not develop ideally if NHL does not cooperate with other institutions. Hockey needs a regular international showcase. Not just a 3 game tournament every 10 years.

When we want we can. In Soccer, players are happy to play with their national team when they are hardly paid.

The NHL voluntarily freezes the year-round schedule. A regular season that starts 3 weeks earlier, the removal of the all-star game break (which no one is interested in) to favor a break from the NHL for 3 weeks for an international tournament, it's not crazy. Professional teams have to concede their players much more often and much longer in other team sports.

 

[Boonk]

Mesar has no chance and everyone knows it. Slafkovsky, I spoke about it only for the tournament this winter. It wouldn't change anything in his bank account. Besides, financially, he may not have an interest in playing this season for the negotiation of his first lucrative contract after 3 years in the NHL, but that is another debate.

It's Montreal who has total control over the international career and this is unthinkable in other sports not dominated by private leagues.

PSG have no power to influence the decisions of Mbappe, Messi or Neymar. UEFA, FIFA, COMMEBOL and LNF cooperate to share events.

Every year, the best U20s are absent because of the NHL. Jack Hughes did not play in his last two years of eligibility. And this is one example among many others. And I think he would have preferred to have the opportunity to win the championship than to play 4 NHL games among 82 others.

What happens in hockey only exists in basketball and it does not help hockey which suffers indefinitely more than basketball because the NHL is invisible next to the NBA.

Hockey will not develop ideally if NHL does not cooperate with other institutions. When we want we can. In Soccer, players are happy to play with their national team when they are hardly paid.

The NHL voluntarily freezes the year-round schedule. A regular season that starts 3 weeks earlier, the removal of the all-star game break (which no one is interested in) to favor a break from the NHL for 3 weeks for an international tournament, it's not crazy.

Professional teams have to concede their players much more often and much longer in other team sports.

You completely ignore that hockey does not have the same structure and financial revenue that those other sports have and generate. They are not the same in any aspect and stop trying to compare them. It is not a good argument.

The best U20s that are in the NHL full time are there for a reason. They are not going to stop their professional hockey season in the best hockey league in the world that is paying them over a million dollars starting wage to play in a junior tournament lmfao. There have also been several cases of U20 players that ARE with their NHL clubs being loaned to that tournament. The NHL is not going to appease to the IIHF, no matter how hard you whine and cry about it. At the end of the day, the best players are playing in this league. For a league that seems so terrible and imperialistic in your POV its quite odd how good hockey players from around the world still try to make it here. The best players will be playing at this World Cup tournament, of which the NHL seems to be collaborating with the IIHF anyways, so all you've really done is just come into this thread and made yourself look like a fool consistently. Don't watch the tournament and just f***ing ignore the NHL product if you're that salty and upset about it. Simple really.

 

[Belloco]

You completely ignore that hockey does not have the same structure and financial revenue that those other sports have and generate. They are not the same in any aspect and stop trying to compare them. It is not a good argument.

The best U20s that are in the NHL full time are there for a reason. They are not going to stop their professional hockey season in the best hockey league in the world that is paying them over a million dollars starting wage to play in a junior tournament lmfao. There have also been several cases of U20 players that ARE with their NHL clubs being loaned to that tournament. The NHL is not going to appease to the IIHF, no matter how hard you whine and cry about it. At the end of the day, the best players are playing in this league. For a league that seems so terrible and imperialistic in your POV its quite odd how good hockey players still try to make it here. The best players will be playing at this World Cup tournament, of which the NHL seems to be collaborating with the IIHF anyways, so all you've really done is just come into this thread and made yourself look like a fool consistently. Don't watch the tournament and just f***ing ignore the NHL product if you're that salty about it. Simple really.

I can also compare Hockey with Volley where there is currently a world championship with the best players released by their clubs.

It's not a question of money. It is a question of cultural imperialism. In other sports, federations have priority over clubs.

Which is a minimum because it is the federations that produce NHL players. No work from the side of the Slovak federation and no Slafkovsky, nor Mesar.

I cry for the absence of NHL players in international hockey competitions. But you get excited about a competition that probably won't exist.

The 2024 World Cup will be at worst as existent as the 2020 World Cup, at best as anecdotal as the 2016 World Cup.

 

[Boonk]

I can also compare Hockey with Volley where there is currently a world championship with the best players released by their clubs.

It's not a question of money. It is a question of cultural imperialism. In other sports, federations have priority over clubs.

Which is a minimum because it is the federations that produce NHL players. No work from the side of the Slovak federation and no Slafkovsky, nor Mesar.

I cry for the absence of NHL players in international hockey competitions. But you get excited about a competition that probably won't exist.

Those international federations from those sports also probably didn't prevent professional club players from participating in their international tournaments for 5 decades.

It wasn't a good attempt on your part.

 

[Belloco]

Those international federations from those sports also probably didn't prevent professional club players from participating in their international tournaments for 5 decades.

It wasn't a good attempt on your part.

Little information, IIHF collaborated with NHL for the 2016 World Cup. So hey, I really don't understand this excitement against me because I say that World Championship and World Cup should only be one competition organized annually with the collaboration of the NHL around the IIHF competition.

Currently, IIHF gave its rights to the NHL to represent its brand image in the EA NHL universe, promoting the propaganda of junior and female hockey.

The NHL can do a little favor for the IIHF and hockey in general. A favor that is a given in sport (Soccer, Rugby, Volley, Handball, Cycling, Tennis, etc...).

 

[Boonk]

Little information, IIHF collaborated with NHL for the 2016 World Cup. So hey, I really don't understand this excitement against me because I say that World Championship and World Cup should only be one competition organized annually with the collaboration of the NHL around the IIHF competition.

Currently, IIHF gave its rights to the NHL to represent its brand image in the EA NHL universe, promoting the propaganda of junior and female hockey.

The NHL can do a little favor for the IIHF and hockey in general. A favor that is a given in sport in general (Soccer, Rugby, Volley, Handball, Cycling, Tennis, etc...).

Welp. Good thing its already been told to you a million times, but luckily the NHL allows its players the choice to attend the IIHF World Championship they host! It only took 5 decades for the IIHF to allow the NHLers there in the first place. Perhaps it is not that the NHL prevents the players from going, but rather that the players themselves just don't want to, who would've thought huh?

You keep telling yourself whatever, you're still not right

 

[Belloco]

Welp. Good thing its already been told to you a million times, but luckily the NHL allows its players the choice to attend the IIHF World Championship they host! It only took 5 decades for the IIHF to allow the NHLers there in the first place. Perhaps it is not that the NHL prevents the players from going, but rather that the players themselves just don't want to, who would've thought huh?

You keep telling yourself whatever, you're still not right

Yes, like at the last two Olympic Games. And probably the next.

Czech (or others) players who prefer to play an endless season uniquely with the Nashville Predators rather than for their national team, we believe it...

All the players will tell you, representing your country is something strong. Stronger than for a contract club.

 

[JackSlater]

I don't see how I will be in fiction, I mention an observation : a private league that crushes its sport.

NHL players are not released without the consent of the franchise. I mentioned previously the case of Filip Mesar who could not play the WJC because his frankness required him to be in the case. It's not Slafkovsky who will have the last word for his participation in the next WJC. The franchise decides. If the franchise refuses, the player cannot participate.

In fact, that's how it works and if a CBA article mentions what you say, it is simply not respected and you know it. Which is even worse.

Such a thing does not exist in sports not dominated by a private league and is specific to hockey and basketball.

I'im okay about it : there will be no collaboration and the world championships will remain weak. It's just that I think it would be better to see the NHL work with the IIHF than see the NHL deprive hockey of major international senior tournaments for 10 years. Maybe more because the existence of a 2024 World Cup is very hypothetical today.

The overwhelming majority of hockey fans would rather see this. The success of the U20 tournament nevertheless demonstrates the strong public interest in international competitions.

It's a financial imperialism logic that leads to the impasse. Not an ancestral grudge on a fact considered today as anecdotal and which involved the North American federations rather than the NHL.

Hockey federations produce all NHL players. It would not be crazy to wish for a magnanimous NHL by cooperating so that international hockey can meet 3 weeks a year with NHL players.

Again you're talking about fiction. You did ask that question and I did answer it. As for your claim about the CBA, go read it. IIHF world championship participation is explicitly discussed and no, despite your ridiculous claim it is not something that "is simply not respected". It is a legal document and the NHLPA would go ballistic if the NHL blocked a healthy player from playing in the IIHF world championship. Go to article 24 of the CBA.

Collective Bargaining Agreement

And again, since you suggested that players are prevented or "intimidated" from playing regularly, I want those examples. This is the second time I am asking you to justify your claim. Not your fictional accounts and assumptions but actual examples of healthy players being denied the chance to play in the IIHF world championship with regularity. The true tragedy of Mesar not going to the one off summer WJC camp is noted, but I want the examples of healthy available players being denied the chance to go to the IIHF world championship.

It's fine that you would like all NHLers to participate in the world championship. There are clear reasons why that is never going to happen. The expectation that the NHL would significantly change its business just to accommodate the IIHF is not reasonable.

 

[Czechboy]

Again you're talking about fiction. You did ask that question and I did answer it. As for your claim about the CBA, go read it. IIHF world championship participation is explicitly discussed and no, despite your ridiculous claim it is not something that "is simply not respected". It is a legal document and the NHLPA would go ballistic if the NHL blocked a healthy player from playing in the IIHF world championship. Go to article 24 of the CBA.

Collective Bargaining Agreement

And again, since you suggested that players are prevented or "intimidated" from playing regularly, I want those examples. This is the second time I am asking you to justify your claim. Not your fictional accounts and assumptions but actual examples of healthy players being denied the chance to play in the IIHF world championship with regularity. The true tragedy of Mesar not going to the one off summer WJC camp is noted, but I want the examples of healthy available players being denied the chance to go to the IIHF world championship.

It's fine that you would like all NHLers to participate in the world championship. There are clear reasons why that is never going to happen. The expectation that the NHL would significantly change its business just to accommodate the IIHF is not reasonable.

Dimitri Jaskin! He wanted to join Czech team this world's... Arizona blocked him.

 

[ORRFForever]

So here is another one.. that cast of friends today is older than the cast of golden girls in season 1.

Good Lord. That is nuts.

 

[JackSlater]

Dimitri Jaskin! He wanted to join Czech team this world's... Arizona blocked him.

I'll take your word for it for now and await the other many instances of this regular occurrence.

 

[Belloco]

Again you're talking about fiction. You did ask that question and I did answer it. As for your claim about the CBA, go read it. IIHF world championship participation is explicitly discussed and no, despite your ridiculous claim it is not something that "is simply not respected". It is a legal document and the NHLPA would go ballistic if the NHL blocked a healthy player from playing in the IIHF world championship. Go to article 24 of the CBA.

Collective Bargaining Agreement

And again, since you suggested that players are prevented or "intimidated" from playing regularly, I want those examples. This is the second time I am asking you to justify your claim. Not your fictional accounts and assumptions but actual examples of healthy players being denied the chance to play in the IIHF world championship with regularity. The true tragedy of Mesar not going to the one off summer WJC camp is noted, but I want the examples of healthy available players being denied the chance to go to the IIHF world championship.

It's fine that you would like all NHLers to participate in the world championship. There are clear reasons why that is never going to happen. The expectation that the NHL would significantly change its business just to accommodate the IIHF is not reasonable.

Discussed...so players are not automatically freed as I say.

And in general, NHL franchises rarely back down. In fact, only prospects and deep players are allowed to go there. In addition, the world championships take place during the playoffs. IIHF had to postpone the competition for two months to be able to exist.

One example among hundreds of others, the first one i took : the Sedin brothers. In 18 years in Vancouver, they have only been able to participate twice : the first during their rookie season, the second in 2013, during the half-season. When they played for Modo, they were systematically released. Yet the Sedin brothers were very motivated to play with Sweden and join the Triple Gold Club.

For the Olympic tournaments, we can also see that it is very complicated to obtain the release of NHL players.

No international competition bringing together all NHL players for 1 decade. Blame the NHL system.

There are obvious reasons that prevent this : the imperialism of the NHL which wants to crush hockey with all its weight to the detriment of other institutions.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

Will Russia be able to compete? It’s not an IOC event

Hope friggin’ not.

 

[Albatros]

Canada pulling out of the IIHF world championship due to the bullshit under Bunny Ahearne is what led to both events. They are connected as the IIHF endorsed the Canada Cup and began allowing professionals at the same time.

Ahearne didn't really have a chance, hockey's position as an Olympic sport was non-negotiable and Brundage wasn't ready to accept any professional involvement. The only thing he realistically could have done differently is oppose the 1969 compromise to start with, but I wouldn't fault him for trying.