World Cup: 2024 World Cup - rosters

[centipede2233]

Fair enough but, again, if I was picking the team, Kadri is a much better player.

they might both be on it. Kane has a much easier path though for reasons already stated

 

[centipede2233]

also if I’m having a conversation about Kane possible making team Canada, I’m fairly certain Holland and maybe even mcdavid has told Kane to use that as motivation to keep his head on straight

 

[ORRFForever]

also if I’m having a conversation about Kane possible making team Canada, I’m fairly certain Holland and maybe even mcdavid has told Kane to use that as motivation to keep his head on straight

Maybe. FYI - I'm not a fan of Kane.

 

[centipede2233]

Maybe. FYI - I'm not a fan of Kane.

hes a Selfish douchebag no doubt. But he can play hockey

 

[ORRFForever]

hes a Selfish douchebag no doubt. But he can play hockey

I just worry he will do something stupid at the worst possible time.

 

[centipede2233]

I just worry he will do something stupid at the worst possible time.

Yeah there is that concern like his suspension on kadri in the ECF….some people just can’t help themselves. Really don’t need to give team USA a 5 min power play in an elimination game….

 

[ORRFForever]

Yeah there is that concern like his suspension on kadri in the ECF….some people just can’t help themselves. Really don’t need to give team USA a 5 min power play in an elimination game….

Amen, brother. We need our players to never cross the line.

 

[Boonk]

World competitions are completely devalued because of the NHL. The KHL actively participates in promoting IIHF competitions, for example. If the NHL cooperated fully with the IIHF rather than seeking to crush other institutions, the world championships would have another significance.

Just the fact that the NHL organizes a World Cup under its organization demonstrates the imperialism of the NHL.

North American private leagues are killing international competition in Basket and Hockey. In team sports (Soccer, Rugby, Handball, Volleyball) there are real international competitions, organized by an international federation with the best players.

Professional hockey should be under the control of the IIHF. Not from the NHL.

Sounds like projecting from you. The IIHF chose to shoot itself in the foot over and over for 5 decades and somehow it's the NHLs fault for the IIHFs incompetence? Lol laughable. You get what you deserve, which is nothing.

 

[Belloco]

Sounds like projecting from you. The IIHF chose to shoot itself in the foot over and over for 5 decades and somehow it's the NHLs fault for the IIHFs incompetence? Lol laughable. You get what you deserve, which is nothing.

There has never been an IIHF incompetence. This federation has always worked very well and it is thanks to it that hockey has diversified somewhat and that Canada no longer represents 95% of the world's elite.

Incompetence, it is on the side of the NHL which has still not found a way to have visibility. The population of hockey is more due to the EA Sports games and (when it was) the highlighting of the Olympic tournament.

IIHF championed the amateur spirit. This may shock a young person born in 2000 who has only known sportsmen or millionaire youtubers and finds it normal, but at the time, the salaries of pro players were already making a company jump that thought it was stupid to pay a hockey player more. than a teacher.

The desire to promote amateur sport was strong and I understand that. I watch Gaelic football and frankly compared to the NFL, the difference is felt.

The vederization of sportsmen was something reduced to North America at the time.

Now, I ask a very simple question: what is the sporting point of organizing a World Cup when there is already a World Championship anchored in the history of this sport? Private leagues are a problem for Sport. As already said, these things are unthinkable in sports not dominated by it.

 

[ORRFForever]

That's 4 paragraphs of a whole lot of nothing. Honestly not surprised. You stay mad while the best players play in this league. They've been here long before the IIHF was ever relevant on any stage, and your Europeans that you boast about are coming here too. The NHL owes absolutely nothing to either the IIHF or IOC and your Eurocentrist view on sports won't change that. The NHL allows its players to attend IIHF events annually at their own individual discretion, and even compensates European clubs with millions of dollars for the players they draft and sign from there, while the IIHF couldn't even be bothered to let professionals from North America to participate in their tournaments for 5 decades. That's their own fault and your opinions do not change that, because that's all they are. Just plain ignorance on your part.

Don't even bother responding, it's clear that you have nothing of value to contribute to the original discussion of the thread and your only intention is to complain and whine about the NHL ruining your day lmfao. Keep crying about it.

He's entitled to his opinion. Quit blasting the guy because you disagree.

 

[ORRFForever]

To Canadian Fans :

Which players under the age of 22, that no one is considering, do you think could join the team?

 

[Mathieukferland]

To Canadian Fans :

Which players under the age of 22, that no one is considering, do you think could join the team?

If they have big years I think guys like Seth Jarvis and Bowen Byram (who I think is close anyway) could make the jump, very impressed by their play in the playoffs

 

[Gold Standard]

To Canadian Fans :

Which players under the age of 22, that no one is considering, do you think could join the team?

There are only 3 in my humble opinion.
1. Power
2. Drysdale
3. Byram

In that order.

 

[ORRFForever]

I wish we had a better perspective on Byram's health issue.

 

[namttebih]

World competitions are completely devalued because of the NHL. The KHL actively participates in promoting IIHF competitions, for example. If the NHL cooperated fully with the IIHF rather than seeking to crush other institutions, the world championships would have another significance.

Just the fact that the NHL organizes a World Cup under its organization demonstrates the imperialism of the NHL.

North American private leagues are killing international competition in Basket and Hockey. In team sports (Soccer, Rugby, Handball, Volleyball) there are real international competitions, organized by an international federation with the best players.

Professional hockey should be under the control of the IIHF. Not from the NHL.

This is utter garbage.

Does FIFA run the World Cup at the hight of play for EPL or Liega?

The NHL organizes the World Cup for a true best on best tourney - however flawed at a time when all of the best players from around the world are available.

The NHL respects contracts signed in the K, SEL etc, so I'm not sure how you justify the claims that it attempts to "crush" all other leagues. Additionally, the NHL is a corporation who's business is to make money off of the game.

If the IIHF should be controlling PROFESIONAL players, then how much are they paying them. It is their profession. They are payed to play. The NHL PAYS them to play - not the IIHF.

 

[Belloco]

This is utter garbage.

Does FIFA run the World Cup at the hight of play for EPL or Liega?

The NHL organizes the World Cup for a true best on best tourney - however flawed at a time when all of the best players from around the world are available.

The NHL respects contracts signed in the K, SEL etc, so I'm not sure how you justify the claims that it attempts to "crush" all other leagues. Additionally, the NHL is a corporation who's business is to make money off of the game.

If the IIHF should be controlling PROFESIONAL players, then how much are they paying them. It is their profession. They are payed to play. The NHL PAYS them to play - not the IIHF.

Fake.

FIFA easily obtains ten slots to organize meetings throughout the year. Clubs do not have the right to block players.

In hockey, the NHL voluntarily takes the entire calendar from August to July and players are blocked at the slightest pretext (ex : Filip Mesar has to attend camps and is n't available for his federation).

The NHL only agrees with leagues subject to it. Certainly not with the KHL either.

The payment argument does not work. In other sports too and yet no league has the right to deprive federations of access to players.

It's the federations that develop and produce the players, not the NHL.

The NHL kills international competitions. No debate on that.

I repeat my initial reflection: what is the point of organizing a World Cup when there is already a World Championship? To submit the IIHF and to monopolize the event.

The best against best tournament principle could already exist for the Olympic Games and the World Championships. So why create a World Cup?

In what other sport, a private league voluntarily deprives its players of international competitions organized by the international federation to organize its own competition ?

Reason why I boycott this competition which has no historical roots, no regularity. It's just a business competition.

I repeat : the NHL shares nothing, concedes nothing but takes everything. It's imperialism.

 

[JackSlater]

Fake.

FIFA easily obtains ten slots to organize meetings throughout the year. Clubs do not have the right to block players.

In hockey, the NHL voluntarily takes the entire calendar from August to July and players are blocked at the slightest pretext (ex : Filip Mesar has to attend camps and is n't available for his federation).

The NHL only agrees with leagues subject to it. Certainly not with the KHL either.

The payment argument does not work. In other sports too and yet no league has the right to deprive federations of access to players.

It's the federations that develop and produce the players, not the NHL.

The NHL kills international competitions. No debate on that.

I repeat my initial reflection: what is the point of organizing a World Cup when there is already a World Championship? To submit the IIHF and to monopolize the event.

The best against best tournament principle could already exist for the Olympic Games and the World Championships. So why create a World Cup?

In what other sport, a private league voluntarily deprives its players of international competitions organized by the international federation to organize its own competition ?

Reason why I boycott this competition which has no historical roots, no regularity. It's just a business competition.

I repeat : the NHL shares nothing, concedes nothing but takes everything. It's imperialism.

The IIHF world championship fails in what it should be and always has, and that is due first and foremost to the IIHF and its decades of stupidity. The World Cup has the potential to avoid the issue of most of the best players not showing up year after year. You could suggest that the Olympic tournament makes the World Cup unnecessary, but the world championship is not in the same ballpark.

Even the IIHF doesn't back your ridiculous stance. It cited the creation of the Canada Cup as the sixth biggest hockey story of the 20th century and how it "opened up the hockey world" and called the tournament "the first truly international tournament featuring “best on best” from the best countries in the world." But then again, what is that in the face of the tragedy of Filip Mesar having to attend camp for his job?

 

[KingAlfie11]

I hope that Russian players are allowed to participate because how can it be a best on best without Russia? It would be a little hypocritical of the NHL to prevent Russia from playing in the WC while letting them play in the NHL.

 

[Gold Standard]

I hope that Russian players are allowed to participate because how can it be a best on best without Russia? It would be a little hypocritical of the NHL to prevent Russia from playing in the WC while letting them play in the NHL.

you simply don't understand the concept of best on best. It simply in reference to those countries who are participating in any specific tournament. If players are all free from their contractual obligations and available to play, then that by definition constitutes a best on best tournament. Whether or not Russia is included/excluded, kicked to the curb for justifiable reasons, is irrelevant. wholly irrelevant.

As long as the IIHF ban on Russia/Belarus, then the NHL has to uphold the ban.

 

[Belloco]

The IIHF world championship fails in what it should be and always has, and that is due first and foremost to the IIHF and its decades of stupidity. The World Cup has the potential to avoid the issue of most of the best players not showing up year after year. You could suggest that the Olympic tournament makes the World Cup unnecessary, but the world championship is not in the same ballpark.

Even the IIHF doesn't back your ridiculous stance. It cited the creation of the Canada Cup as the sixth biggest hockey story of the 20th century and how it "opened up the hockey world" and called the tournament "the first truly international tournament featuring “best on best” from the best countries in the world." But then again, what is that in the face of the tragedy of Filip Mesar having to attend camp for his job?

Who is blocking players ? The NHL. Who is the only championship to play massively after April ? The NHL.

Is IIHF failing to bring together players who play in Europe and even in KHL ? No.

The World Cup only has the potential to work because it is the NHL that frees up its players to organize its own competition. This is proof of the bad faith of the NHL and the desire not to cooperate with other hockey institutions.

If the NHL proposes to the IIHF to organize the world championships in September in order to showcase the competition, IIHF probably accepts. IIHF is completely subject to NHL. And this submission is not due to sporting or ethical legitimacy but strictly financial. There is also this possibility of starting the NHL season at the same time as the other championships (1 month earlier) and of encouraging the NHL to get involved with the IIHF and therefore this sport. A ridiculous idea in your eyes I imagine.

I don't understand your obsession with defending a system that has deprived hockey of major international tournaments for almost 10 years. As 1000X already said, in sports not crushed by a private North American league, these problems do not exist. There is cooperation and sharing between the different institutions.

If FIBA fails to organize major international events, it is because the NBA prevents it. Same thing in hockey. In Soccer, Rugby, Handball, Volley = no problem. If there were a dominant private North American league in these sports, international competitions would be greatly weakened.

It's very unfortunate for a hockey that is diversifying. The slogan NHL is hockey is for everyone. But in fact it's clearly hockey is for NHL. Diversity is brought about by the international federations.

 

[karhukissa]

True, true, they always come together somehow. I agree to some extent, but to say that Kakko & co can shut down “anyone” in a tournament that includes McDavid and MacKinnon are a bit of a stretch

Yeah they can't, because this is just a fantasy gm at this point. People build their all-star teams and then forget that it's not a 82 game season but a short tournament. Luckily this tournament is played on the ice and not in a simulation.

In one game Finland can beat Canada even easily, just like Sweden or USA can if they have everything well together. Good goalie is the most important thing (check), elite top players (check) and very well organised structure (check).

If these teams would play 5 times against each other or 4, Canada would win easily. But they have to focus only to win one game, all top teams have enough quality to achieve that. That's why every top team has legit chance to win.

 

[centipede2233]

I hope that Russian players are allowed to participate because how can it be a best on best without Russia? It would be a little hypocritical of the NHL to prevent Russia from playing in the WC while letting them play in the NHL.

As much as I’m anti Russia competing in olympics, for the World Cup I would like to see Russia partake. Just makes the tournament more interesting. And would sell more tickets to. Should be interesting to see who the starting goalie will be…

Russia’s and USA‘s top 3 goalies each are better then Canada’s #1 choice (whoever that is).

 

[JackSlater]

Who is blocking players ? The NHL. Who is the only championship to play massively after April ? The NHL.

Is IIHF failing to bring together players who play in Europe and even in KHL ? No.

The World Cup only has the potential to work because it is the NHL that frees up its players to organize its own competition. This is proof of the bad faith of the NHL and the desire not to cooperate with other hockey institutions.

If the NHL proposes to the IIHF to organize the world championships in September in order to showcase the competition, IIHF probably accepts. IIHF is completely subject to NHL. And this submission is not due to sporting or ethical legitimacy but strictly financial. There is also this possibility of starting the NHL season at the same time as the other championships (1 month earlier) and of encouraging the NHL to get involved with the IIHF and therefore this sport. A ridiculous idea in your eyes I imagine.

I don't understand your obsession with defending a system that has deprived hockey of major international tournaments for almost 10 years. As 1000X already said, in sports not crushed by a private North American league, these problems do not exist. There is cooperation and sharing between the different institutions.

If FIBA fails to organize major international events, it is because the NBA prevents it. Same thing in hockey. In Soccer, Rugby, Handball, Volley = no problem. If there were a dominant private North American league in these sports, international competitions would be greatly weakened.

It's very unfortunate for a hockey that is diversifying. The slogan NHL is hockey is for everyone. But in fact it's clearly hockey is for NHL. Diversity is brought about by the international federations.

I answered your question for you of why there would be a place for a World Cup with all the best players even when there is the IIHF world championship with a few of the best players.

The NHL allows players to go if they are not still in the playoffs. That is good enough. There is no reason for the NHL to change any part of its business to accommodate the IIHF world championship when NHL fans by and large do not even want that. There is no push from the players for that to happen as far as I have ever heard. The only push from fans and players is for Olympic participation. And the reason that there is no push to accommodate the IIHF world championship is how badly the IIHF handled its tournament for half a century. You can cry about how you wish things were different or delude yourself into thinking that this somehow involves anything approaching "ethical legitimacy" but those sentiments are a waste of time. There is no reason for the NHL to bend to the desires of the IIHF. That some other sports do it does not matter.

I do not like that the NHL was out of the 2018 Olympics. I would give the IIHF no blame at all for that, only the NHL and IOC. I also recognize that while the IIHF and IOC banned professional players for decades, it was the NHLPA and the NHL that provided the world with its first chance to see the actual best players playing each other. Even the IIHF admits this. It's too bad that the IIHF f***ed up for decades and basically ruined the reputation of its own main tournament in hockey's two biggest countries but that's what happened.

 

[Gold Standard]

As much as I’m anti Russia competing in olympics, for the World Cup I would like to see Russia partake. Just makes the tournament more interesting. And would sell more tickets to. Should be interesting to see who the starting goalie will be…

Russia’s and USA‘s top 3 goalies each are better then Canada’s #1 choice (whoever that is).

LOL at goalie fascination. So, Kuemper vs Vasilevskiy then?. How did that work out for Andrei at last year's SCF with a better coach, better centers and a competent d-corp in front of him? better than anything the Russians can dress up as pretend contender. The truth is, if Russia were to be included in a WCoH they would be the 5th. ranked team behind Canada, USA, Finland and Sweden. And falling fast.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

LOL at goalie fascination. So, Kuemper vs Vasilevskiy then?. How did that work out for Andrei at last year's SCF with a better coach, better centers and a competent d-corp in front of him? better than anything the Russians can dress up as pretend contender. The truth is, if Russia were to be included in a WCoH they would be the 5th. ranked team behind Canada, USA, Finland and Sweden. And falling fast.

Vasilevskiy and Shesterkin are arguably the two best goalies at the moment. I don't think Canada is a big favorite in that match.