OT: 2024 Washington Commanders thread: change we can believe in!

[kicksavedave]

Who am I? Drake Maye or Josh Allen? lol

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Its obviously Allen. The point is made and never really argued otherwise. If Maye pans out, he's a lot like Allen. If. Key point, if he pans out. There's been lots of QBs who have similar concerns who don't pan out.

I think the bottom line is, either JD or DM could be an All Pro level QB if they are successful making the jump in the NFL. Or both could bust. Predicting who will pan out and who will bust is simply stupid, none of us know, the NFL GMs don't even know. We can all have our opinions and we can all have our stylistic preferences, no harm in that. But none of us know who is more likely to become like their NFL comparisons, and who is more likely to bust out. We just can't predict this.

If we take Maye, I'll become his biggest fan. I'd prefer they take JD.

 

[kicksavedave]

Interestingly, Josh Allen's career completion percentage is 63.2, which is the lowest among Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Herbert, Purdy and Trevor Lawrence. 5+ points behind Mahomes and Burrow's. He also trails Dak, Cousins, Tua, Goff and Hurts. So yeah, Josh Allen isn't the most accurate among the top NFL QBs right now.

 

[Holtbyisms]

Who am I Patrick Mahomes or Drake Maye?

 

[kicksavedave]

Who am I Patrick Mahomes or Drake Maye?

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This one is actually Mitch Trubiski

 

[Roric]

15 more days and it feels like an eternity

 

[Bananas]

Sounds like a taller, more talented version of Sam Howell or Rex "f*** it, Im going deep" Grossman

Lots of pressure = cant read pre snap
bad throws from pressure = cant read post snap, doesnt know where his release or hot route is .. or doesnt even know he should be looking to quick ball the play to begin with

I personally hope we dont draft Maye .. but im an idiot as well

His OC changed and their scheme this year was trash. The previous year with a slightly better supporting cast and a better OC he was god like. It’s still Maye imo.

 

[Ajax1995]

Sounds like a taller, more talented version of Sam Howell or Rex "f*** it, Im going deep" Grossman

Lots of pressure = cant read pre snap
bad throws from pressure = cant read post snap, doesnt know where his release or hot route is .. or doesnt even know he should be looking to quick ball the play to begin with

Yeah but did you see the report on Daniels after his 3rd year of college? Literally undraftable. Maybe had a chance as an UDFA but not as a QB.

Maye is light years past where Daniels was at the same point in his development cycle. Am I expecting him to improve on the same trajectory Daniels did? Nope but I am expecting him to improve significantly and end up the better player by a reasonable amount.

But who the f*** knows…?

 

[EroCaps]

Yeah but did you see the report on Daniels after his 3rd year of college? Literally undraftable. Maybe had a chance as an UDFA but not as a QB.

Maye is light years past where Daniels was at the same point in his development cycle. Am I expecting him to improve on the same trajectory Daniels did? Nope but I am expecting him to improve significantly and end up the better player by a reasonable amount.

But who the f*** knows…?

Passing on Maye will be a fireable mistake.

 

[kicksavedave]

Passing on Maye will be a fireable mistake.

Utter nonsense.

 

[ynotcaps]

Passing on Maye will be a fireable mistake.

Tell Kurt Warner.

 

[Jags]

Finally, he also makes poor decisions, trying to be aggressive when its not there, and it leads to poor mechanics/bad accuracy, or just wild throws into coverage that he shouldn't have made at all. Also talks about how he gets pressured a lot which leads to bad decisions, but does occasionally beat the pressure with a big time throw.

Isn't some of this situational though? JD and Maye both had to produce a shitload of points each game to even have chances to win because of dodgy D play. Maye had the added disadvantage of a weaker supporting cast. So these guys had to be more aggressive, take risks versus increased coverage, and similar versus pressure. It's a "bad decision" when it doesn't work out but "Wow" when it does.

In other words, JD probably would have had similar struggles in a similar situation at a similar point in his development. You weren't seeing most of these issues (at least not in concerning or chronic ways) from Maye in 2022 when the circumstances were more favorable.

This isn't to say that there aren't issues, but these are the same concerns evaluators have with every QB that slings it in college.

 

[Holtbyisms]

Tell Kurt Warner.

The same Kurt Warner who as recently as February said it's nearly impossible to scout college quarterbacks. Now suddenly he's the guy to believe when he fits the narrative! Lol

Ex-Giant Kurt Warner: ‘Nearly impossible’ to scout college quarterbacks

Ex-New York Giants QB and Pro Football Hall of Famer, Kurt Warner, says it's "nearly impossible" to accurately scout college quarterbacks.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[ynotcaps]

The same Kurt Warner who as recently as February said it's nearly impossible to scout college quarterbacks. Now suddenly he's the guy to believe when he fits the narrative! Lol

Ex-Giant Kurt Warner: ‘Nearly impossible’ to scout college quarterbacks

Ex-New York Giants QB and Pro Football Hall of Famer, Kurt Warner, says it's "nearly impossible" to accurately scout college quarterbacks.

sports.yahoo.com

Fair point. So tell Louis Riddick. and Chris Simms. and Chase Daniel... and so on... (I know -- none of them are as valid sources as Ero, though...)

 

[EroCaps]

Tell Kurt Warner.

These guys get this shit epically wrong all the time.

Even Warner says he doesn’t really know.

People are overthinking Maye. He plays for a horrible team. Daniels is a sucker pick.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Passing on Maye will be a fireable mistake.

Adam has a pretty big contract….

Fair point. So tell Louis Riddick. and Chris Simms. and Chase Daniel... and so on... (I know -- none of them are as valid sources as Ero, though...)

Apparently nobody knows anything but Ero and a few others who are sold 100%! I wish I was as convinced..sigh…but I’m expecting them to F it up either way honestly lol….too many years of being burned as a fan….

I must admit, it seems possible JD could come in and play fantastic right away immediately boosting his team to a playoff team, AND DM could be just as good for a team in 3 years.

 

[ynotcaps]

These guys get this shit epically wrong all the time.

Even Warner says he doesn’t really know.

People are overthinking Maye. He plays for a horrible team. Daniels is a sucker pick.

Tell everybody but Kurt Warner...

 

[kicksavedave]

These guys get this shit epically wrong all the time.

Even Warner says he doesn’t really know.

People are overthinking Maye. He plays for a horrible team. Daniels is a sucker pick.

If the pros, including a hall of fame QB, get it wrong all the time, why should any of us believe you're the one who gets it right?

 

[EroCaps]

If the pros, including a hall of fame QB, get it wrong all the time, why should any of us believe you're the one who gets it right?

Uh a lot of other scouts and pros agree with me, chief.

I’m not the only guy on the planet who prefers Maye. Most did up until like 5 minutes ago.

 

[ynotcaps]

Uh a lot of other scouts and pros agree with me, chief.

I’m not the only guy on the planet who prefers Maye. Most did up until like 5 minutes ago.

It's not the preference -- it's the "Daniels is a bust."

I prefer Daniels -- by a lot -- but I'm not sitting here saying "Maye WILL bust" and "Fire the GM if he drafts Maye." Because -- in your own words -- if the experts can't be certain, neither can you. Oops, I meant, neither can I.

 

[Roric]

Schefter doubling down on Daniels today. Unlike some here, I do think Schefter likely has some small nugget on this. I doubt he's just spit balling.



I've heard enough to believe there is at least a fighting chance that its Daniels and that this FO doesn't agree with the people here who think choosing him is a comical joke. Schefter, Breer, Keim are heavyweights. And while none of them are reporting that's who they are choosing, they are all converging on Daniels as to the team's leaning. Plenty of others have said similar things but those three are the ones I care about and take seriously.

 

[Cush]

 

[Roric]

What would it take for Minnesota to trade up to #2?

11, 23, and Jefferson?

More?

I have a feeling Minny wants Maye big time. I want Daniels but would be totally fine with this approach as well, and trade back up for mccarthy. Would do away with this incessant maye vs. daniels war, a plus in my book

We'd come out of day 1 with JJ, Jefferson for him to throw too, and presumably a young tackle (hopefully Mims) with 23. Nice foundation, nice haul.

 

[Roric]

duplicate

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

“The signs”…….

Hmmm…that would suggest a dinner out where he needs to impress….

 

[Cush]

The NFL draft's best at 90 different traits and skills: Where the 2024 class's top prospects stand out

Best arm? Most explosive ball carrier? Top ball hawk? Most disruptive defender? We hand out superlatives for this year's draft class.

www.espn.com

Among QBs, Jayden Ranks the best in the following

Most Accurate
Field Vision
Decision Making
Passing Mechanics
Scrambler

Maye:
Drive Thrower
Designed Rusher

JJ:
Pocket Mobility