Player Discussion: 2024 Vezina Winner Connor Hellebuyck
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Helly has not been bad....but he has not stood on his head and stolen games for us...and that is what I expect from a Vez caliber goalie who is going to ask for a big raise next year
Jets4Life
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I'm not sure why Hellebuyck has always had an issue with the Golden Knights. He has been pedestrian all series.
Potrzebie
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Steve Mason was the other goalie in 17-18. Helle stole his starter job that season. Mason came in to game 3 in Minnesota when Helle was getting shelled and got pulled. He responded with a couple of shutouts.
TEH FIRST NOEL
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much obliged for the verification. in that case, 2018... when the jets played vegas in the western conference finals
Hellebuyck career playoff stats:
2.54 GAA .918 save %
Hellebuyck career regular season stats:
2.66 GAA .916 save %
These past two days, it seems like I am having to correct so many bad takes. Guys, pick up your game. This is getting ridiculous.
about the same as Jack Campbell and Robert Luongo. Rather underwhelming. Certainly not worth much more than his current cap hit.
I was retorting someone’s take that he’s a great regular season goalie but not so much in the playoffs, but the basic stats actually say otherwise.
I wasn’t commenting on his cap hit and if it is worth it based on his performance. Did you want to discuss that instead?
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tbcwpg
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I don't think he's been bad at all but he's needed to be better, and goal at key times have killed us.
That third goal crushed us in game 4.
It's not really fair to Hellebuyck, but we've needed him to be great, not good.
i do think he's been over-played a bit. the workload i think eventually catches up-to you. he gives the team the best chance to win though. I don't think this year they could've played Rittich a whole ton especially in the 2nd half. he doesn't instill any confidence imo.
your post had me thinking though..... based off his career, when has Helle performed his worst in SV%? so looking at every 1st game he's played of the season, 2nd game etc. and tallying up his shots-faced/GA and average SV% for each game through his career.
if it was a real work-load problem. id think toward the end of the year would be at his worst..... but it seems like around middle of the year is when the SV% is consistently lower than his career-average. lots of things could factor into this of course. it actually seems like he plays at his best toward the end of the year.
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White Out 902
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were these guys literally in isolation from the entire world during the Canadian-Division Covid year? the EDM series he had a 950 sv% through 4-game + 3 OTs. & was the reason we won.
i don't think he was great against VGK in 17-18 as well as this year, MTL, or CGY in the play-ins. i don't remember STL series as much but he had a 0.913.
since 17-18 he has a 0.918 sv% in the POs. of course 1 or 2 games can influence this heavy however since that time frame of goalies with 10+ starts (essentially 2 series worth) that ranks 15th/28.
3.21 GAA and an .895 Sv% so far this series.
2.23 and .931 in 2021.
3.04 and .904 in the weird arse play-ins.
This year is closer to those play-ins in dipping below his careers of 2.54 and .918.
He ain't necessarily Hellesaving the team this year against Vegas but the team also ain't saving Helle.
It's tough to judge a goalie's true talent without a huge sample. Based on Hellebuyck's overall sample, he's a very consistent, elite goalie.
But goalies also go through streaks - hot and cold. And Hellebuyck has been on a bit of a cold one since January.
Currently he's one of the worst goalies in these playoffs.
Out of 16 playoff starters, he's 15th in SV%, 15th in GSAA/60 at even strength. At all strengths he's 13th in both SV% and GSAA/60. He's been good on the PK though: 5th in SV% and GSAA/60...
But goalies also go through streaks - hot and cold. And Hellebuyck has been on a bit of a cold one since January.
Currently he's one of the worst goalies in these playoffs.
Out of 16 playoff starters, he's 15th in SV%, 15th in GSAA/60 at even strength. At all strengths he's 13th in both SV% and GSAA/60. He's been good on the PK though: 5th in SV% and GSAA/60...
The thing is we need him to play really well to have any chance. He's not been great. But hey thats the way it goes better support and more rest wouldn't hurt.
Like Hellebuyck said after the last game, and he's right if you watch the goals that were scored on him, a couple of those goals were "lucky" in the sense that they got deflected off of skates, etc. That's why you really can't drawing all of these statistical analysis after four games. Goaltenders getting the bad bounces will have bad stats, goalies getting those lucky bounces will have great stats.
Jets4Life
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lol...you were saying the exact same thing in 2019-20, during Hellebuyck's Vezina Trophy season, after a few games that he was average that year.
Jets4Life
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What on Earth do you expect from him? 0.975% and be Ken Dryden circa 1971?
It's like some people have a hard-on for bashing Hellebuyck. BTW, if the Jets don't offer Hellebuyck a raise when his contract expires, there will be 31 teams that will, and in many case, will over him north of $9.5 million/year over multiple seasons.
White Out 902
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no no, the correct answer is, and feel free to fact check me cuz I'm using rough numbers, 904.
tbcwpg
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He's had to be better in this series. It's not quite fair that the only reason this team can win even another game here is through Hellebuyck heroics, but with the injuries and the lack of production of the other big names on the team, he does have to be at what he normally is through out the season.
That said, I find the criticism that he's letting the team down because he's not dragging the team into the next round on his own to be pretty funny.
As a side note, I'm sure the data exists, but I'd love to see how many high danger chances he faces compared to other goalies. He is consistently in the top 5 for goals saved above expected, so I'd have to imagine it's a lot more than most.
That said, I find the criticism that he's letting the team down because he's not dragging the team into the next round on his own to be pretty funny.
As a side note, I'm sure the data exists, but I'd love to see how many high danger chances he faces compared to other goalies. He is consistently in the top 5 for goals saved above expected, so I'd have to imagine it's a lot more than most.
cbcwpg
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In the playoffs... Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick
This is 5 on 5
Helly's HDSV% is 0.667 which is the worst of all playoff goalies
For comparison:
Oettinger ( who a lot of pundits think is just a beast these playoffs ) HDSV% is 0.760 ( 4th worst )
