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Player Discussion: 2024 Vezina Winner Connor Hellebuyck

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The big problem for the Jets, is that the team has absolutely no replacement for Hellebuyck. It's a shame that Comrie and Berdin did not pan out. Holm is 24, and has never played a game in the NHL. We would likely have to trade for a mediocre goalie like Steve Mason again, and that did not turn out well in 2017.
 
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DRW204 said:
yup.
i just don't see them moving helle. this team had been desperate for strong goaltending and they got it. they'll keep him for the year, do their best to make a run, & then hope he signs.

does helle want to compete for a cup? is he chasing $ at this point? is he ok with being on basically a middling NHL team? :dunno:. all factor into his decision.

but if you keep helle, you're probably going for it right? so the move would be to retain 1-2 of your top-6Cs since there's 0 surefire replacements internally, or obtain via FA or trade.

FA market looks pretty thin.... we've been basically an average team w/ schefiele-pld down the middle the last 3 years. how much would we improve if we replace one of them with these guys below (no idea what the trade market is for top-Cs). or Lowry as a top-6C :dunno:

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I'd like to know what kind of return we'd be looking at if we dealt helle this summer before I feel comfortable saying we shouldn't trade him. I'd also want to know what kind of chances we have of re-signing him

Seems to me that both him and schief oughtta know already which way they're leaning and ideally extensions worked out in advance of July 1 when they can be formally signed. If not, I think at the very least chevy would have to explore the trade market for both

Based on our market, we can't afford to walk players to UFA. From an asset management perspective, I think we'd need to get something for them
 
Jets4Life said:
The big problem for the Jets, is that the team has absolutely no replacement for Hellebuyck. It's a shame that Comrie and Berdin did not pan out. Holm is 24, and has never played a game in the NHL. We would likely have to trade for a mediocre goalie like Steve Mason again, and that did not turn out well in 2017.
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Yep. Helle must be in the top 3 of his generation overall. Not going to replace him as easily as a player like 55 even.

Dominic DV looks good, but is likely years away still.

You either develop goalies or get lucky trading for them.
 
Buffdog said:
I'd like to know what kind of return we'd be looking at if we dealt helle this summer before I feel comfortable saying we shouldn't trade him. I'd also want to know what kind of chances we have of re-signing him

Seems to me that both him and schief oughtta know already which way they're leaning and ideally extensions worked out in advance of July 1 when they can be formally signed. If not, I think at the very least chevy would have to explore the trade market for both

Based on our market, we can't afford to walk players to UFA. From an asset management perspective, I think we'd need to get something for them
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not sure what to expect for a return. elite goalies seldom get dealt. then factor in he will be 30 years old and a pending UFA. i think it'll be your standard mid-to-late 1st (i don't think rebuild-type teams will trade for a 30 year old goalie with 1 year remaining), a prospect of mid-to-late 1st pedigree and perhaps an average level roster player. no idea.

for sure they will explore the trade market. they'd be stupid not to. however, if not dealt, it wouldn't be the first time they went into the year with key personnel in their pending UFA seasons. actually, trading them a year early to UFA id label as the minority of how the team usually has done things. Trouba was a year early, but then you look at numerous others who they went into the season in their final year under contract prior to UFA.

there's always the TDL that they can deal them if they do not sign long-term & you go into the year with them (ie: Ladd and Copp). but if you're in the PO mix at that time, doubtful you sell.
 
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DRW204 said:
not sure what to expect for a return. elite goalies seldom get dealt. then factor in he will be 30 years old and a pending UFA. i think it'll be your standard mid-to-late 1st (i don't think rebuild-type teams will trade for a 30 year old goalie with 1 year remaining), a prospect of mid-to-late 1st pedigree and perhaps an average level roster player. no idea.

for sure they will explore the trade market. they'd be stupid not to. however, if not dealt, it wouldn't be the first time they went into the year with key personnel in their pending UFA seasons. actually, trading them a year early to UFA id label as the minority of how the team usually has done things. Trouba was a year early, but then you look at numerous others who they went into the season in their final year under contract prior to UFA.
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I think it at least partly comes down to a discussion with the agent if we can land on a number Helly will sign or he is gone as a UFA no matter what. If the possibility exists he will sign you go into the season hoping things work out.
 
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DRW204 said:
not sure what to expect for a return. elite goalies seldom get dealt. then factor in he will be 30 years old and a pending UFA. i think it'll be your standard mid-to-late 1st (i don't think rebuild-type teams will trade for a 30 year old goalie with 1 year remaining), a prospect of mid-to-late 1st pedigree and perhaps an average level roster player. no idea.

for sure they will explore the trade market. they'd be stupid not to. however, if not dealt, it wouldn't be the first time they went into the year with key personnel in their pending UFA seasons. actually, trading them a year early to UFA id label as the minority of how the team usually has done things. Trouba was a year early, but then you look at numerous others who they went into the season in their final year under contract prior to UFA.

there's always the TDL that they can deal them if they do not sign long-term & you go into the year with them (ie: Ladd and Copp). but if you're in the PO mix at that time, doubtful you sell.
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I think you'd have to hope that a team with a closing window who think that goaltending is the missing piece like Toronto or Edmonton would overpay. I think it's possible that a scenario like that exists
 
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I think you'd have to hope that a team with a closing window who think that goaltending is the missing piece like Toronto or Edmonton would overpay. I think it's possible that a scenario like that exists
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yay late 1sts!
 
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yay late 1sts!
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You ask for the one the year after and hope it's more of a mid 1st rounder after that teams window is somewhat closed

It's better than letting him walk for nothing. Maybe you use that 1st rounder to trade for a guy with term
 
I will miss this guy when he is gone one day. I am hoping we have a good run this playoffs (I know it would be against the flow of recent play) for Helle’s sake.
 
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If Helle starts to play lights out for the remainder of the season, like he did last night, the Jets will definitely be in the playoffs. Hopefully he plays in Vezina form in the playoffs. We may even win a round.
 
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hadn't looked in a while

all strengths
sv% 6th in the league
GA vs xGA 4th from NST, and 4th via MoneyPuck

i had him and Sorokin flip-flopping for 2nd in Vezina for most of the first half of the year. However, think with Helle's 2nd half Sorokin has pulled ahead a bit (3rd in sv%, 1st and 3rd in GA vs xGA). i think Ullmark will ultimately end up as the winner though.
 
inspired by a post from another thread.... this is team sv% vs shots-allowed at all strengths. includes both helle and rittich but majority is helle. did a 5-game average from game-5 onward.

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or if you're an xGA follower....blue above orange is v good. same thing - did a 5-game average from game-5 onward.

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DRW204 said:
yup.
i just don't see them moving helle. this team had been desperate for strong goaltending and they got it. they'll keep him for the year, do their best to make a run, & then hope he signs.

does helle want to compete for a cup? is he chasing $ at this point? is he ok with being on basically a middling NHL team? :dunno:. all factor into his decision.

but if you keep helle, you're probably going for it right? so the move would be to retain 1-2 of your top-6Cs since there's 0 surefire replacements internally, or obtain via FA or trade.

FA market looks pretty thin.... we've been basically an average team w/ schefiele-pld down the middle the last 3 years. how much would we improve if we replace one of them with these guys below (no idea what the trade market is for top-Cs). or Lowry as a top-6C :dunno:

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I agree. Even Helle says he won’t sign, I think they’ll keep him to the end and hope against hope that they can change his mind.
 
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I agree. Even Helle says he won’t sign, I think they’ll keep him to the end and hope against hope that they can change his mind.
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yup which is why i do not believe they will kick off the rebuild next season. helle on this team has you around the PO bubble.
 
DRW204 said:
yup which is why i do not believe they will kick off the rebuild next season. helle on this team has you around the PO bubble.
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Not having Helle will instantly make the Jets bottom feeders for at least 3 seasons. We can always overpay for an inferior starter on the open market, but that kind of defeats the purpose of trading away Helle in the first place.
 
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So what do you see the plan as?
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well if they have helle on the roster, he's good enough to keep them around a bubble PO team. things can certainly change, however going off what dreger said recently there's no appetite to rebuild either.

this team longed for good goaltending for years, they have Helle under contract they will try and compete and hopefully make a run to entice him in staying.

if they're out of it around the TDL, then i can see him being moved for sure (ie: like other pending UFAs such as Ladd, Copp). Same w/ Scheifele and Wheeler. however, i do not foresee them trading all of the players in the off-season. and it's not like they have commonly just sold their UFA-1s. for instance '15-'16 they went in with both Buff & Ladd. 1 stayed, 1 refused a contract and got dealt at the TDL. could play out like that if they're out of the POs at the 24TDL.
 
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