Prospect Info: 2024-2025 Rangers Prospects Thread (Prospect Stats in Post #1; Updated 2/6/2025)
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noncents
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Amazing what hindsight will do. Tedenby was one of their top prospects, Larsson was “the next Lidstrom,” among others. It’s why prospect ratings don’t really mean much. But yes, they “played,” much the same way Quinn and Lav “played” Kravstov, Andersson, Kakko, Laf and others. Jones is the only one that might have some more legitimate complaints about not being played, but he’s played 73 games the last three seasons on a team with Cup aspirations and several more key players at his position in front of him. And he scored a whopping 17 points in those games as an all-offense defenseman.
I don’t disagree on Quinn, down to the hope and expectation he was a “good for the kids” coach. And yet, here we are saying how much of a moron he was. Again I say: when multiple NHL coaches do the same things with the same players, at what point is the finger no longer pointed at the “moron” coaches?
That “top ranked” farm system included absolute flameout busts in Kravstov and Andersson. Two who not only got multiple chances in NY, but also on other teams where they also couldn’t cut it. Kakko “the most NHL ready prospect,” the guy more than one “expert” had on par with or exceed Jack Hughes, the one with “no development needs” on his draft day bio, was and is “just a guy.” Oftentimes, these kids get so much hype that anything short of superstardom is then used as a cudgel against the organization and coaches that draft and play them - and more often than not, they just aren’t that good.
And correction: You are right: Robertson was 20, not 19. Sorry.
I mean you can't see exactly where Dvorsky receives the puck but to me that's looks like a hand pass.
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I don't know that the rules say ANY handoff from the goalie is a "hand pass." Before the rule was changed to allow players to hand pass in their own D zone, goalies were already immune from being penalized for it.
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Because if that happens in a game it's blown dead for a hand pass (Since Dvorský received the puck after it entered the neutral zone)
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WAAAAAAA!!!
If that isn't a hand pass, can the goalie throw the puck down the ice like that for a ENG?
We root for the Rangers. Jonathan Quick will resign for another year, Garand will get traded, and then the following year, the Rangers trade a 1st to acquire a backup goalie.
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Yeah the Rangers won't want to risk having Garand be better than Igo next year so they'll go with another blue eyed backup with no future here.
I mean they were developing Talbot, Johnson, Stajcer, Zaba, etc. to back up Lundqvist and only moved on from Talbot when they thought his value was peaking and he was an impending UFA. Then they brought in Raanta for cheap when he was only 26. Subsequently they tried to develop Halverson and Skapski and those guys, but they weren't good or suffered from injuries. So they signed a young Georgiev and developed him. They only moved him out when it became clear he wanted an opportunity to start, which he really wasn't going to get here.
I mean if there's one position you really can't criticize the Rangers for failing to develop and give opportunity to, seems like goalie is it. Not sure where you all are coming up with this weird narrative.
I mean if there's one position you really can't criticize the Rangers for failing to develop and give opportunity to, seems like goalie is it. Not sure where you all are coming up with this weird narrative.
They've made some arguable questionable decisions RE goal from an asset management standpoint (drafting them way too high, buying out Hank, "platooning" Shesterkin and Georgiev for way longer than the latter merited, signing Shesterkin to the extension (depending on who you ask)), but you'd be pretty dumb to argue they don't develop them correctly.
BC vs New Hampshire @ 7
Laba & CC play Emery & NoDak @ 8
Laba & CC play Emery & NoDak @ 8
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Only able to watch the last few minutes, but Gabe with a shorty to tie the game near the end of the period. 1-1 going into the third
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noncents
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From what I can recall he always seems to do very well - like 60%+. Makes me want to comb through the rest of his games to see if that holds up.
Edit: Just checked. It is as good as it seemed. He's played 21 games this season and missed about 6 games total. He has a good 10 games at 60-70% win rate, another 6 or 7 at or around 50%, and about 5 or 6 sub-50%.
He's also taking a lot of CC's FOs every game. He's usually either #1 or #2 for total FOs so it's not like he's just going 3/5. Usually takes about 18ish and will win about 13ish on those bigger games, 10-11 otherwise.
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Cant wait until the Rangers make him play wing, like they done with Rempe, Edstrom, BMB, Korczak (when he was in Hartford) who got moved to the wing.
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I think it's been mentioned before but the reason why a lot of kids are put into the center position is because they are the best player or just about on their teams. As a kid advances from one level to the next though the challenges get harder and harder once you've gotten to a top European or CHL or college team. There's another leap when a player hits the pros and just because you were a top player on your youth club or college team does not mean you're going to be a top player on your AHL team and not everyone is going to be playing center.
It could be argued that more important for a talented young forward at the pro level than the position is being in the top 6. I don't worry all that much about whether Laba is going to be a center after he signs with Hartford. There are responsibilities that go with playing center at the pro level that are overwhelming for a lot of players who have been playing at lower levels. For me it's wait and see. The Rangers are not as weak as some seem to assume as far as centers go. Miller and Trocheck are two of the best face-off guys in the NHL. They are experienced and know how to play that position in a 200' way. Carrick is very good at it for a 4th liner.
Guys like Rempe and Edstrom would probably not be in the NHL if the Rangers had them exclusively as centers. Ask either if they'd rather be in Hartford playing center or in New York playing wing and I'm pretty sure most could guess their answer. Even on the question of ice time. Would you rather play 16 minutes a night for the Pack or 8/9 for the Rangers? and I think an educated guess would be they'd rather be with the Rangers. BMB is a rookie pro getting his feet wet. This year for him is educational. Korczak never had it---was always a real reach to make the NHL and is too much a perimeter player (at least as of now) to be an effective AHL player. Skills? Sure......but not tuff enough. It happens.
Agree with everything you said. I have no idea if this kid is a c at the nhl level or not, but even if he either comes in or plays his career on the wing…it’s not like he can’t take faceoffs. If that type if win % translated, he’ll be the guy at the dot. It’s incredibly common around the nhl for a wing to take some amount of draws based on matchup, zone, or side of the ice. You see mika and jt switching off, kreider used to take certain drops for mika, kakko or laf took some for chytil…and probably woulda been better off with any of the dmen before him too…
As you said, many players grow up playing c because they’re the best player and it maximizes their impact on the full sheet. They’ve all taken faceoffs. If, hypothetically, you had a guy who could only give you effective mins at wing but was a consistent 55+ at the dot…trust me…he will be taking faceoffs. If rempe could win 60% of faceoffs you’d still have a better chance of filling a basket with water than seeing him play c because it’d be a catastrophe…but he’d be taking a ton of faceoffs.
And no, they will not simply start him at wing and never provide a chance to take a faceoff. They are not oblivious to his college numbers…it will absolutely be something they look at.
eco's bones
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Kid coming out of the CHL or college is still a developing player. There's a lot of pressure on C's especially on a good team. That player has to cover more ice. To some degree he's the defensive quarterback in the defensive zone. Mistakes he makes tend to be more glaring. A winger basically has a smaller area to cover---battling for pucks along boards, keeping an eye on his point man and anything else he does is just helping out.
Then there's the face-off stuff and centers tend to be a little more on the breaking out of the d zone with the puck than wingers and more play distributors. You look at the Rangers forwards and the C's tend to get a bit more average ice time than the W's. For the Rangers Trocheck gets the most forward ice time. He's their most trusted forward. Zibanejad use to be.....less so now. Miller is going to get a lot of trust.
A team that figures on vying for a playoff spot is only got so much time and patience for a young prospect learning all that fly and that's a reason why guy's who have played a lot of center in lesser leagues end up on the wing.
