When did Vladdy say that?He don't care, like he said, "someone will pay me".
When did Vladdy say that?He don't care, like he said, "someone will pay me".
I said it earlier but the plan should be to move all the salary you can at the deadline and reload whatever you can in the off season. I think they’ll spend their way back as quickly as they can. It would be incredible if they could somehow unload Springer at the deadline. No idea who would be that dumb but one can dream lol. I think we look to restock the cupboards a little this year and try again next. If they can’t sing Jano by July they need to trade him and i hate the thought of him not being a Jay. Same for Kikuchi. We can always they and bring him back at seasons end. But he’s at that age where it’s real risky. I’d look to move Gausman as well and I’d even listen on Romano. Apparently the O’s have lots of interest in him and they have a loaded farmBut man, we have decent young assets. We don’t have to go down to 90 to 100 losses again. Do not want. A new GM, who is relatively smart, should retool this relatively quickly. No way we have to suffer through more seasons like from 2017 to 2020. F that.
There isn't a gap between these two teams, there's a chasm. Orioles are a well-built team, all that we should have been but the they had competent management.Unless the Jays are getting Soto and Christian Walker in the offseason, or a near equivalent (unlikely) we need a full rebuild. We're not close to Baltimore right now.
Shouldn't have to look far with Click currently VPBut man, we have decent young assets. We don’t have to go down to 90 to 100 losses again. Do not want. A new GM, who is relatively smart, should retool this relatively quickly. No way we have to suffer through more seasons like from 2017 to 2020. F that.
I said it earlier but the plan should be to move all the salary you can at the deadline and reload whatever you can in the off season. I think they’ll spend their way back as quickly as they can. It would be incredible if they could somehow unload Springer at the deadline. No idea who would be that dumb but one can dream lol. I think we look to restock the cupboards a little this year and try again next. If they can’t sing Jano by July they need to trade him and i hate the thought of him not being a Jay. Same for Kikuchi. We can always they and bring him back at seasons end. But he’s at that age where it’s real risky. I’d look to move Gausman as well and I’d even listen on Romano. Apparently the O’s have lots of interest in him and they have a loaded farm
That’s kind of how I feel to. I feel the same with Gausman. This season he’s tailing off and I don’t want to watch it continue like Springer for two more years. I think we’d get some pretty solid prospects back for both. I really like Romano but I think it’s the right more and he’s coming near the end of his arb years toI'd be selling the hell out of Romano.
He's a 31 y/o closer and his velo is down, and his peripherals were already going the wrong way last year. If you can get a good prospect for him, sell.
That’s kind of how I feel to. I feel the same with Gausman. This season he’s tailing off and I don’t want to watch it continue like Springer for two more years. I think we’d get some pretty solid prospects back for both. I really like Romano but I think it’s the right more and he’s coming near the end of his arb years to
This is why banking on the pitching to replicate the excellent season last year was a disaster waiting to happen. It's also why you'd like to see the team capitalize on overachieving opportunities such as last year because who knows when such success would be realized again. Couple the downward trend of the pitching this year with an offence that's nowhere capable of making up for that, and we have what we are seeing now. An inconsistent team that will be fighting tooth and nail to finish .500 and be hard-pressed to claim one of the three Wild Card spots.What a letdown so far this year.
It's already June but I feel like we are so out of it. The pitching, which should've been our strong point has been so inconsistent.
When did Vladdy say that?
Translated from his original comments in Spanish, Vladdy says, “I would like the Blue Jays to offer me a contract extension, but they have not done so yet. Right now I am focused day after day. I'm calm, because no matter what, they are going to have to pay me sooner or later, whether it's this team or another".
I said it earlier but the plan should be to move all the salary you can at the deadline and reload whatever you can in the off season. I think they’ll spend their way back as quickly as they can. It would be incredible if they could somehow unload Springer at the deadline. No idea who would be that dumb but one can dream lol. I think we look to restock the cupboards a little this year and try again next. If they can’t sing Jano by July they need to trade him and i hate the thought of him not being a Jay. Same for Kikuchi. We can always they and bring him back at seasons end. But he’s at that age where it’s real risky. I’d look to move Gausman as well and I’d even listen on Romano. Apparently the O’s have lots of interest in him and they have a loaded farm
I'm with you on the selling part, but not on the reload part. There's no point.
To compete, we'd need to build almost an entire team out of free agency - we'd need a starting 3B, 2B, LF, RF, DH, C. Even if Schneider takes over fulltime in LF or 2B, that's 5 positions you have to fill.
Assuming we ship out Romano and Garcia, you'd also have to fill the closer and setup roles.
Assuming Gausman and Bassitt are shipped out and Kikuchi leaves, that's also 4 starting pitcher positions that we'd need to fill...but really 5 or 6 since you need more than 5 capable starters.
Since we won't be getting much, if any, help from the farm, you're talking about acquiring more than half an entire roster through free agency. That's an impossible task.
Might as well accept the reality of the situation - we need to blow up the team completely, including trading Bo, Vlad and Berrios. Though we can wait till the offseason to trade these 3, hopefully with a better GM making those deals.
Yeah the farm system is completely devoid of talent to either bring up to the Jays or to trade for any meaningful players to improve the team.
Atkins may have had some decent sucess signing free agent pitchers and some trades, but he absolutely failed at drafting and developing players. The fact that we are 2nd year in a row of not have any starting pitching depth for a 5th starter, and are having to do bullpen days for an injured starter is a damning admission of failure.
He's been here NINE YEARS. Only players of significance I can think of that are still here are Bo Bichette and Alek Manoah. Bichette will likely continue to be good for years, jury is still out on Manoah after last year's massive decline, this year so far is not really any indication if he is improving due to the injuries.
I'm not aware of any other Atkins draft pick that has succeeded beyond the Jays after they were traded. Someone fill me in please.
You know what? It’s frustrating that the farm is devoid of talent. What the hell were they doing between 2017 and 2020? While Baltimore sucked majorly at the same time and drafted all these studs and developed them. That really pisses me off.
I'm with you on the selling part, but not on the reload part. There's no point.
To compete, we'd need to build almost an entire team out of free agency - we'd need a starting 3B, 2B, LF, RF, DH, C. Even if Schneider takes over fulltime in LF or 2B, that's 5 positions you have to fill.
Assuming we ship out Romano and Garcia, you'd also have to fill the closer and setup roles.
Assuming Gausman and Bassitt are shipped out and Kikuchi leaves, that's also 4 starting pitcher positions that we'd need to fill...but really 5 or 6 since you need more than 5 capable starters.
Since we won't be getting much, if any, help from the farm, you're talking about acquiring more than half an entire roster through free agency. That's an impossible task.
Might as well accept the reality of the situation - we need to blow up the team completely, including trading Bo, Vlad and Berrios. Though we can wait till the offseason to trade these 3, hopefully with a better GM making those deals.
Well to be fair, Baltimore absolutely tanked it to have 115, 108 and 110 loss seasons, that put them in position to have much better draft pick choices.You know what? It’s frustrating that the farm is devoid of talent. What the hell were they doing between 2017 and 2020? While Baltimore sucked majorly at the same time and drafted all these studs and developed them. That really pisses me off.
This won't be what they do and it isn't what they should be doing.
Fans love tanking at the first sign of any bumps in the road but pro sports teams dealing with real people and real money do not.
Well to be fair, Baltimore absolutely tanked it to have 115, 108 and 110 loss seasons, that put them in position to have much better draft pick choices.
Jays only tank year was 2019, where they "only" lost 95 games, and they got Austin Martin at #5 pick, who they traded a year later. That was their top pick they ever had.
A better GM can retool this team quickly. Remember, aren’t you getting pieces back in those trades for these players? I don’t think a complete tank is necessary. Nor is it preferable.
Yeah well that's the fault of the scouting department. I think since covid year the million rounds have been drastically reduced. Like Davis Schneider would be undrafted, because he was picked #849 overall in the 28th round in 2017.But baseball draft has a million rounds, you telling me they couldn't draft any better?
Hypothetical trades in a sell-off scenario:
Kikuchi + Garcia to Dodgers for Maddux Bruns + Eduardo Quintero + Zyhir Hope/Jeral Perez
Guasman + Jansen to Guardians for Ralphy Velasquez + Daniel Espino
Vlad + Romano to Yankees for Dominguez
Bumps in the road? I've described all the positions we'd need to fill in the year remaining on Bo and Vlad's contracts, and you feel these are mere bumps? We need half a bloody team, a new coaching staff and a new GM.
This "bump in the road" delusion just prolongs the time it will take to finish the rebuild.