Blue Jays GDT: 2024 v4 |Mon, Jun 17 | vs BOS | 7pm ET/4pm PT | Pivetta vs Kikuchi

[MK78]

Mountcastle burns the Jays again.

 

[MS]

We aren’t even close to these guys.

 

[saska sault]

Man, this team is so unlikeable ... I give them a chance every couple days and tune in and plan to watch a game. I can't remember more than 2 or 3 specific exciting moments or games really all year (that I've tuned in to) .

We may have really skipped our entire contention window. Huge payroll and not a single "star" player. Orioles are doing the exact thing we all thought the Jays were going to do. And without ugly advertisements all over a classic jersey.

 

[henryasteroidlionnet]

No clue why a struggling Genesis was left in to face Adley who is hitting .440 against LHP this year but that’s just par for the course for this clown of a manager we have.

 

[dredeye]

We aren’t even close to these guys.

Exactly why we can’t be adding pieces to this team. It’s time to tear it down and start over.

 

[dredeye]

Man, this team is so unlikeable ... I give them a chance every couple days and tune in and plan to watch a game. I can't remember more than 2 or 3 specific exciting moments or games really all year (that I've tuned in to) .

We may have really skipped our entire contention window. Huge payroll and not a single "star" player. Orioles are doing the exact thing we all thought the Jays were going to do. And without ugly advertisements all over a classic jersey.

The O’s are legit what we thought the jays were gonna be. They also did it while not being players in the international market which is crazy

 

[MK78]

Mountcastle crushes another one. LOL.

 

[GreytWun]

lol. Atkins better get fired after this series. O's are going to show us how bad we really are.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Francis is absolutely awful.

 

[VanillaCoke]

The entire approach to hitting is obviously night and day.

The orioles look like their pre game meetings are actually effective, know what pitchers are throwing, don't swing at wild balls every at bat, wait for pitch they like/ are looking for, and connect frequently.

They look like professionals, like big league baseball players.

 

[trellaine201]

Lookin good and hopefully fans don’t show up until the GM is canned.

 

[GreytWun]

Honestly where the hell does this team for from here.

As others have said earlier this team isn't good enough and we don't have any for sure prospects. Maybe Tiedemann but he's been injured quite a bit. We are going to be stuck being a bottom of the league / mid team.

All I know if Atkins has to be gone soon. Schneider can follow right behind him along with the hitting coaches. No chance Bo or Vlad re-sign here.

 

[MS]

The entire approach to hitting is obviously night and day.

The orioles look like their pre game meetings are actually effective, know what pitchers are throwing, don't swing at wild balls every at bat, wait for pitch they like/ are looking for, and connect frequently.

They look like professionals, like big league baseball players.

I wish I had a dollar for every time this year a Jays hitter watched a strike right down the middle for 0-1 and then swung at a breaking pitch a mile out of the zone for 0-2.

Part of it is bad/old hitters but they just don’t have a quality approach at all.

 

[MK78]

We have zero viable prospects. Tiedemann is injured all the time, Orelvis Martinez is brutal defensively, Barger is who knows what.... Horwitz is not really a prospect he's 26.

Anyone else? They were really riding the Bo & Vladdy train for all these years. The team as a whole was great offensively in 2021, Then it went downhill from there.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

I'm by no means a hitting specialist, but I've noticed Vladdy doesn't keep his head level when swinging and instead his head always elevates along with his violent swings. Which may explain his inability to drive the ball out for power.

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

We have zero viable prospects. Tiedemann is injured all the time, Orelvis Martinez is brutal defensively, Barger is who knows what.... Horwitz is not really a prospect he's 26.

Anyone else? They were really riding the Bo & Vladdy train for all these years. The team as a whole was great offensively in 2021, Then it went downhill from there.

It was a top 3 offense in 2022 as well

But yeah, puzzling how far it has dropped since then

 

[trellaine201]

If Shapkins every had some balls he would can his friend! This is business NOT a friendship.

 

[canucksfan]

We have zero viable prospects. Tiedemann is injured all the time, Orelvis Martinez is brutal defensively, Barger is who knows what.... Horwitz is not really a prospect he's 26.

Anyone else? They were really riding the Bo & Vladdy train for all these years. The team as a whole was great offensively in 2021, Then it went downhill from there.

The Mariners series broke them. I know I don't have the exact correct rankings but in 2021 they ranked 3rd in exit velocity. Excellent batting team, likely the best in the league when healthy. In 2022 they were 6th in exit velocity. Still a very good team but their outfield defense sucked and they didn't fix it with a decent piece. In 2023 their exit velocity dropped to around 19th and I believe this year it dropped to 27th or so. The Jays obviously lost guys who were good exit velocity guys but at some point, they went from trying to hit the ball hard, to a more contact team. A change in approach and personnel did the bats in and they have done shit all to correct it. I don't get how they didn't change hitting coaches in the offseason.

Whatever they are doing they truly believe they are doing the correct thing and seemed puzzled by the lack of results.

 

[MK78]

Seeing how this team has been the last couple seasons, I'd take a bit more adventure in the outfield over this level of batting performance.

This prioritizing defense has not worked. Last year they snuck in because the pitching was elite. This year the pitching took a step backward as it was going to, and they are even worse offensively, result being last in the division for pretty much most of the year.

 

[Eyedea]

We have zero viable prospects. Tiedemann is injured all the time, Orelvis Martinez is brutal defensively, Barger is who knows what.... Horwitz is not really a prospect he's 26.

Anyone else? They were really riding the Bo & Vladdy train for all these years. The team as a whole was great offensively in 2021, Then it went downhill from there.

How do you know Orelvis is brutal defensively? From what I can tell he’s fine, if not slightly below average at 3B. And when you predicate that you don’t know what/who someone is… how can you definitively say he’s not a viable prospect?

Plus saying someone is 26 is hardly a disservice in today’s baseball. How did the O’s turn 29 year old Ryan O’Hearn into a solid hitter?

Why not, idk, see how the kids fare at the MLB first before deciding their fate? All they do is score in AAA and I’m supposed to question their viability? They could probably outhit the current MLB team in games.

 

[VanillaCoke]

I wish I had a dollar for every time this year a Jays hitter watched a strike right down the middle for 0-1 and then swung at a breaking pitch a mile out of the zone for 0-2.

Part of it is bad/old hitters but they just don’t have a quality approach at all.

Yeah definitely same, happens so so much. Just the amount I say(think) dont swing 0-1, just to watch them waive at a pitch way outside.

Jays look like they're guessing, seemingly no idea what to expect or what that pitcher features. Especially compared to a solid hitting mlb team, and jays hitters seem to make other teams avg pitchers seem unhittable.

It was so obvious Mouncastle knows what Francis throws, waits on 70ish mph curve over the plate, crushes it, next at bat he's like no way they throw me that again, sits on a fastball, gets one over the middle and demolishes it. This is basic stuff guys cmon.

 

[shaner8989]

Still no changes eh. f***ing loserville

Dog shit orgainzation. Hurry the f*** up and get some balls and blow this shit up.

 

[MK78]

How do you know Orelvis is brutal defensively? From what I can tell he’s fine, if not slightly below average at 3B. And when you predicate that you don’t know what/who someone is… how can you definitively say he’s not a viable prospect?

Plus saying someone is 26 is hardly a disservice in today’s baseball. How did the O’s turn 29 year old Ryan O’Hearn into a solid hitter?

Why not, idk, see how the kids fare at the MLB first before deciding their fate? All they do is score in AAA and I’m supposed to question their viability? They could probably outhit the current MLB team in games.

He has 14 errors this season already.

Yeah once in a while you find a diamond in the rough. Bautista/EE were discarded by their prior teams and became feared power hitters around the age of 30.

Unless they start trading people, there is no roster spots for those kids to be given a shot. You got offensive passengers on the roster like Turner, Vogelbach, Springer, Biggio, Kiermaier, etc, the kids cant get a shot.

Giving them a shot means you punt on the season, and this management does not seem to want to do that.

 

[saska sault]

Seeing how this team has been the last couple seasons, I'd take a bit more adventure in the outfield over this level of batting performance.

This prioritizing defense has not worked. Last year they snuck in because the pitching was elite. This year the pitching took a step backward as it was going to, and they are even worse offensively, result being last in the division for pretty much most of the year.

I'd take Lourdes, Teo and Varsho.

 

[MS]

The Mariners series broke them. I know I don't have the exact correct rankings but in 2021 they ranked 3rd in exit velocity. Excellent batting team, likely the best in the league when healthy. In 2022 they were 6th in exit velocity. Still a very good team but their outfield defense sucked and they didn't fix it with a decent piece. In 2023 their exit velocity dropped to around 19th and I believe this year it dropped to 27th or so. The Jays obviously lost guys who were good exit velocity guys but at some point, they went from trying to hit the ball hard, to a more contact team. A change in approach and personnel did the bats in and they have done shit all to correct it. I don't get how they didn't change hitting coaches in the offseason.

Whatever they are doing they truly believe they are doing the correct thing and seemed puzzled by the lack of results.

Teoscar was a loss offensively but otherwise most of the pieces are the same.

The team’s approach and power just seems to have died when Mattingly arrived.