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Red Sox/MLB 2024 Spring Training Part 4: - Ownership seems content with another last place finish in 2024

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It's so funny, I took it for granted everyone wanted Mauer in so when I said I had to look at his case closer I only meant his case as a first ballot guy.

Also, Helton would have been a great guy to serve as the top line of who doesn't get in.

He plays anywhere but Colorado and he's not in.
 
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EverettMike said:
It's so funny, I took it for granted everyone wanted Mauer in so when I said I had to look at his case closer I only meant his case as a first ballot guy.

Also, Helton would have been a great guy to serve as the top line of who doesn't get in.

He plays anywhere but Colorado and he's not in.
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Yeah the home/road splits are pretty damning, as is the complete power outage for the last third of his career.
 
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FrankerCee said:
Hey, whatever. I stand on it.
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You were given a very generous "out" earlier by just saying it was a joke. Instead of taking it, you doubled down.

Now you tripled down.

It's the literal definition of an indefensible take. Deep down, you know it, because you aren't really defending it. You are just saying "I stand on it" without providing any supporting evidence.
 
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I like Todd Helton as a player. He's not a hall of fame level player. As many have alluded to, Helton's home and road splits clearly show that he benefited from having Coors Park as his home field and if he played for any other team he'd have half the numbers he produced in Rockies Purple and Black. The fact he's in Cooperstown and Manny and A-Rod are not is absurd. The only reason they aren't in is because a bunch of out of touch baseball writers have a bone to pick with them using roids. Don't dare bring up the fact that their beloved 70s players were all high off amphetamines though. Bunch of hypocrites.
 
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McGarnagle said:
Have to say, not only did you get 3 tremendous players voted in, all 3 of them are great guys to boot. Should be a good class.
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Here’s a cool Beltre story.

After the game that he got his 3,000th hit, my brother grabbed the lineup card out of the visitor’s dugout and gave it to him after the game. When Beltre retired, he gave my brother an autographed custom-made bat with a hand written thank you note. it’s one of the few memorabilia items he keeps on display in his office.
 
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I am enjoying this Felger and Mazz segment. Just end all voting and have the WAR calculations determine who gets into the Hall of Fame. That's what people want I guess. As long as you weren't linked to PEDs.
 
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BigBadBruins7708 said:
Not that he isnt deserving, but I have a hard time with Mauer getting in before Thurman Munson
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Munson's right on the borderline as is, and given the tragic death while still playing in a big market, it's kind of surprising that the Veteran's Committee never put him in. If he doesn't die and plays 5 more years, he's in for sure.

But if Munson is in, Gene Tenace has to go in - remarkably similar resumes and there are stats where Tenace outpaces Munson (including rings). So I figure they don't want to open the floodgates by putting a borderline case like Munson in.

Mauer absolutely deserves it. The one that's going to be interesting is Posey. When he was on the field all you could think is that this guy is a future HOFer. But he retired young on his own terms. Has 3 rings, ROY, MVP, Gold Glove, and Silver Sluggers in his trophy case. But because he retired at 34 he doesn't have a lot of the accumulators or grand totals they look for.
 
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McGarnagle said:
Munson's right on the borderline as is, and given the tragic death while still playing in a big market, it's kind of surprising that the Veteran's Committee never put him in. If he doesn't die and plays 5 more years, he's in for sure.

But if Munson is in, Gene Tenace has to go in - remarkably similar resumes and there are stats where Tenace outpaces Munson (including rings). So I figure they don't want to open the floodgates by putting a borderline case like Munson in.

Mauer absolutely deserves it. The one that's going to be interesting is Posey. When he was on the field all you could think is that this guy is a future HOFer. But he retired young on his own terms. Has 3 rings, ROY, MVP, Gold Glove, and Silver Sluggers in his trophy case. But because he retired at 34 he doesn't have a lot of the accumulators or grand totals they look for.
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Buster is 1st ballot to me. Heart of the weirdest dynasty ever
 
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Munson's right on the borderline as is, and given the tragic death while still playing in a big market, it's kind of surprising that the Veteran's Committee never put him in. If he doesn't die and plays 5 more years, he's in for sure.

But if Munson is in, Gene Tenace has to go in - remarkably similar resumes and there are stats where Tenace outpaces Munson (including rings). So I figure they don't want to open the floodgates by putting a borderline case like Munson in.

Mauer absolutely deserves it. The one that's going to be interesting is Posey. When he was on the field all you could think is that this guy is a future HOFer. But he retired young on his own terms. Has 3 rings, ROY, MVP, Gold Glove, and Silver Sluggers in his trophy case. But because he retired at 34 he doesn't have a lot of the accumulators or grand totals they look for.
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Difference is Munson has an MVP, ROY and 3x GG vs just a WS MVP for Tenace. Munson wouldnt be "opening the floodgates"

Hell, if Harold Baines and Bill Mazeroski didnt open the floodgates then nothing will
 
CDJ said:
Buster is 1st ballot to me. Heart of the weirdest dynasty ever
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If Mauer is a first balloter, so is Posey and you'd be hard pressed to think otherwise. Posey was the superior all-around player (face of a multiple WS-winner) and it's actually impressive that he finished with a 57 career WAR over pretty much 11 (not even full) seasons.
He was sharp when he started and finished his career strong and didn't drag it out. I appreciate that.

His career WAR divided by seasons, even if you don't give him the benefit of the doubt in 2009, is 4,8 WAR per season. Joe Mauer's is 3,5 per. That's a huge difference.
 
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We probably need to get over the 1st balloter thing. There's a big difference between a 76% 1st ballot and 90%+ 1st ballot. Mauer made it in by 5 votes, so he could have easily missed out and been a 2nd/3rd ballot guy. The elite 1st ballot guys get 90% and are on a whole different level.
 
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Manny was way better than all these guys getting in he really needs to be elected it was a fertility drug at the end of his career after a ton of injuries he was clean through the true roid era.
 
BigGoalBrad said:
Manny was way better than all these guys getting in he really needs to be elected it was a fertility drug at the end of his career after a ton of injuries he was clean through the true roid era.
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There's probably a difference between "he was clean" and "he didn't get caught".
 
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