Prospect Info: 2024 NHL Entry Draft (Ducks pick #3, They didn’t drop! OMG It’s a Miracle!)

[lwvs84]

Ya his TOI dropping is way more concerning this his points not staying high.

Yeah, originally that scouting report had me wanting him (depending on who was left). But between the lowered minutes and the Russian factor, he might be a guy that drops. Hopefully if we pick up another 1st (and the scouting staff believes he can get to that elite level), they can move up for him or he falls to the other 1st... I doubt he lasts too long though because of that size.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Yeah, originally that scouting report had me wanting him (depending on who was left). But between the lowered minutes and the Russian factor, he might be a guy that drops. Hopefully if we pick up another 1st (and the scouting staff believes he can get to that elite level), they can move up for him or he falls to the other 1st... I doubt he lasts too long though because of that size.

I said it before and I think he is a bit of a trap pick…. He’ll be a nhl player but I think closer to myers than hedman.

Some team is gunna pick him top 5 and regret it.

 

[forever1922]

Yeah, originally that scouting report had me wanting him (depending on who was left). But between the lowered minutes and the Russian factor, he might be a guy that drops. Hopefully if we pick up another 1st (and the scouting staff believes he can get to that elite level), they can move up for him or he falls to the other 1st... I doubt he lasts too long though because of that size.

Russian orgs drop ice time when they want to strongarm a prospect into signing for another year to stay in Russia or change his mind about leaving early despite agreements. Also the later he gets picked the more likely he spends more time there. This is nothing new. Just because his TOI dropped doesn't necessarily mean anything. Just watch him or listen to scouts that do.

 

[lwvs84]

I said it before and I think he is a bit of a trap pick…. He’ll be a nhl player but I think closer to myers than hedman.

Some team is gunna pick him top 5 and regret it.

I'd take a gamble on him, but not with our 1st (unless we go on a huge run and the pick is a lot worse than we think). If we can trade up for him for a reasonable price, I'd take a swing and hope that there is more to him. As I said, I don't think he'll be there that late. I don't think he goes top 5, but probably in the back half of the top 10.

Russian orgs drop ice time when they want to strongarm a prospect into signing for another year to stay in Russia or change his mind about leaving early despite agreements. Also the later he gets picked the more likely he spends more time there. This is nothing new. Just because his TOI dropped doesn't necessarily mean anything. Just watch him or listen to scouts that do.

Oh ok, I didn't know that. If he does drop, I'd take a swing at him if the Ducks add another first and can move up for him, I don't know if I pick him with the Ducks pick considering how many good D there are this draft. End of the day, I trust the Ducks scouting staff with defense.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I'd take a gamble on him, but not with our 1st (unless we go on a huge run and the pick is a lot worse than we think). If we can trade up for him for a reasonable price, I'd take a swing and hope that there is more to him. As I said, I don't think he'll be there that late. I don't think he goes top 5, but probably in the back half of the top 10.

Oh ok, I didn't know that. If he does drop, I'd take a swing at him if the Ducks add another first and can move up for him, I don't know if I pick him with the Ducks pick considering how many good D there are this draft. End of the day, I trust the Ducks scouting staff with defense.

Ya if your picking a little later than top 5 it’s prob an alright pick/risk but I don’t like the risk in top 5

 

[Rasp]

All I know for sure is that if we take a D with our first pick he is going to be awesome

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

All I know for sure is that if we take a D with out first pick he is going to be awesome

There is a lot of good dmen in this draft, I won’t be shocked if we find a couple good ones

 

[Rasp]

Dobber Prospects latest ranking is wildly different from the consensus.

1. Celebrini
2. Demidov
3. Catton
4. Lindstrom
5. Buium
6. Parekh
7. Dickinson
8. Helenius
9. Levshunov
10. Chernyshov

12. Silayev
16. Eiserman
22. Jiricek
24. Yakemchuk

DobberProspects’ Mid-Season Top 64 for the 2024 NHL Draft

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Mckeen's latest ranking is more in line with others.

1. Celebrini
2. Dickinson
3. Demidov
4. Silayev
5. Lindstrom
6. Catton
7. Levshunov
8. Helenius
9. Eiserman
10. Parekh

11. Yakemchuk
15. Buium
17. Jiricek

2024 NHL DRAFT: MCKEEN'S MID-SEASON TOP 32 - Celebrini sits comfortably on top - Demidov and Parekh among risers in ranking - Strong defense group defines this draft class

McKeen's Hockey releases its top 32 ranking for the 2024 NHL Draft.

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[forever1922]

I think this year the drop off after Celebrini, Lindstrom and Demidov to Eiserman, Catton, Connelly is large enough for there to be a reason to pick Demidov ahead of, likely Catton. Although we still have all of the most important club games left so we'll see.

Catton and Demidov are both rising their stocks. Lindstrom injured and Eiserman is what he is. Myself I'd argue that the order as it stands is:

Celebrini
Demidov
Catton
Lindstrom
Connelly
Eiserman

Then there's development to consider, guys going to NCAA:

Celebrini, while a college prospect looks like he will turn pro after just this season due to performance.

Eiserman is joining NCAA BU after decommitting earlier commitment to Minnesota. I admire his commitment.

And Connelly who is committed to NCAA Providence and to me it seems likely he will spend 2 years there.

The Russian factor:

Demidov is under contract for another year in KHL, which carries added risk regarding treatment from KHL club or simply Demidov's own will.

The simple junior route, "the sure thing":

Lindstrom and Catton who look like they will turn pro or return to juniors in WHL.

 

[Rasp]

I think this year the drop off after Celebrini, Lindstrom and Demidov to Eiserman, Catton, Connelly is large enough for there to be a reason to pick Demidov ahead of, likely Catton. Although we still have all of the most important club games left so we'll see.

Catton and Demidov are both rising their stocks. Lindstrom injured and Eiserman is what he is. Myself I'd argue that the order as it stands is:

Celebrini
Demidov
Catton
Lindstrom
Connelly
Eiserman

Then there's development to consider, guys going to NCAA:

Celebrini, while a college prospect looks like he will turn pro after just this season due to performance.

Eiserman is joining NCAA BU after decommitting earlier commitment to Minnesota. I admire his commitment.

And Connelly who is committed to NCAA Providence and to me it seems likely he will spend 2 years there.

The Russian factor:

Demidov is under contract for another year in KHL, which carries added risk regarding treatment from KHL club or simply Demidov's own will.

The simple junior route, "the sure thing":

Lindstrom and Catton who look like they will turn pro or return to juniors in WHL.

Demidov is top 5 in talent for sure but an undersized Russian winger will probably mean he drops below the big boys like Lindstrom.

Lots of talk about Catton being the 2nd best C available but Lindstron being 6'3 will mean he gets picked before Catton purely based on that size upside.

Connelly and Eiserman aren't in my top 10. I think we will find a lot of teams will have wildly different draft lists from each other. Bob Mckenzies final ranking is going to be very interesting this year.

IMO the players you listed will be drafted
Celebrini
Lindstrom
Catton
Demidov
Eiserman
Connelly

We will probably only see 5 forwards taken in the top 10 this year based on how many intriguing defenders there are.

 

[forever1922]

Connelly and Eiserman aren't in my top 10. I think we will find a lot of teams will have wildly different draft lists from each other. Bob Mckenzies final ranking is going to be very interesting this year.

IMO the players you listed will be drafted
Celebrini
Lindstrom
Catton
Demidov
Eiserman
Connelly

We will probably only see 5 forwards taken in the top 10 this year based on how many intriguing defenders there are.

I don't know, seems like the forwards are consensus wise in mostly the same order. The defense is what mixes a lot of things up.

I agree Lindstrom probably is currently ahead to most teams because of potential and position. I still find it likely Demidov is the better NHLer and a fit for the Ducks despite draft tendencies size and nationality wise pointing elsewhere.

Also yes, Eiserman especially seems like he will fall outside top 10, I merely listed them to point out how big of a drop off there is.

I still find it very unlikely the Ducks look for RHD, unless it's like Levshunov at 5 or something, obviously without the top 3 forwards there.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Demidov is top 5 in talent for sure but an undersized Russian winger will probably mean he drops below the big boys like Lindstrom.

Lots of talk about Catton being the 2nd best C available but Lindstron being 6'3 will mean he gets picked before Catton purely based on that size upside.

Connelly and Eiserman aren't in my top 10. I think we will find a lot of teams will have wildly different draft lists from each other. Bob Mckenzies final ranking is going to be very interesting this year.

IMO the players you listed will be drafted
Celebrini
Lindstrom
Catton
Demidov
Eiserman
Connelly

We will probably only see 5 forwards taken in the top 10 this year based on how many intriguing defenders there are.

I really think Iginla is trending in the right direction to jump over at least some of those names by draft day



I won't be shocked if he ends up as the 3rd-5th F off the board, somewhere in the 5-10 range. The development track (they call him perhaps the most improved prospect in this class over the last two seasons) and bloodlines will greatly appeal to most teams. Plus a lot of his strengths are what are considered pro traits, the ability to use contact to create separation, IQ and ability to generate/score below the dots.

The talk around him is reading quite similar to McTavish from his draft year, not directly in terms of playing style but by the way things are trending with their stock. I won't be surprised if we see a similar jump by draft day here

 

[Anarchynate]

I really think Iginla is trending in the right direction to jump over at least some of those names by draft day



I won't be shocked if he ends up as the 3rd-5th F off the board, somewhere in the 5-10 range. The development track (they call him perhaps the most improved prospect in this class over the last two seasons) and bloodlines will greatly appeal to most teams. Plus a lot of his strengths are what are considered pro traits, the ability to use contact to create separation, IQ and ability to generate/score below the dots.

The talk around him is reading quite similar to McTavish from his draft year, not directly in terms of playing style but by the way things are trending with their stock. I won't be surprised if we see a similar jump by draft day here

I think Tij will be a star. He plays like Minty. Relentless. I hope we draft him if we don’t pick in the top 2. I only have Celi & Demi ahead.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I think Tij will be a star. He plays like Minty. Relentless. I hope we draft him if we don’t pick in the top 2. I only have Celi & Demi ahead.

Im curious how high he jumps, I wouldn’t mind trading down for him if celebrini and levshunov are off the board…. But I also feel like he’ll randomly be takin higher than expected

Like let’s say Montreal pick lands 9 and we land 3, celebrini and levshunov go 1+2.

Montreal offers us
9th overall + Winnipeg 1st
For
3rd overall + middle 2nd pick

Do you take it?

 

[Anarchynate]

Im curious how high he jumps, I wouldn’t mind trading down for him if celebrini and levshunov are off the board…. But I also feel like he’ll randomly be takin higher than expected

Like let’s say Montreal pick lands 9 and we land 3, celebrini and levshunov go 1+2.

Montreal offers us
9th overall + Winnipeg 1st
For
3rd overall + middle 2nd pick

Do you take it?

Personally I wouldn’t. Unless we get Hutson/ Roy on top of that then we can talk

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Personally I wouldn’t. Unless we get Hutson/ Roy on top of that then we can talk

Ya I don’t think the difference between the guy at 3 and 9 is huge, but you also give up the opportunity to pick your guy. Not sure what the value difference between 3 and 9 is in a draft like this years

I do think with a big center like lindstrom or big dmen like saliyev teams might really love to get that 3rd pick and pay more

 

[Anarchynate]

Ya I don’t think the difference between the guy at 3 and 9 is huge, but you also give up the opportunity to pick your guy. Not sure what the value difference between 3 and 9 is in a draft like this years

I do think with a big center like lindstrom or big dmen like saliyev teams might really love to get that 3rd pick and pay more

As negligible as it, there’s always that one team willing to give it all to get their guy. Let’s hope it’s to our benefit lol

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Im curious how high he jumps, I wouldn’t mind trading down for him if celebrini and levshunov are off the board…. But I also feel like he’ll randomly be takin higher than expected

Like let’s say Montreal pick lands 9 and we land 3, celebrini and levshunov go 1+2.

Montreal offers us
9th overall + Winnipeg 1st
For
3rd overall + middle 2nd pick

Do you take it?

I take Lindstrom #3.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I take Lindstrom #3.

Not a big fan of Lindstrom

 

[MMC]

I would be pretty upset if we took Lindstrom over Demidov

 

[Rasp]

I get the feeling Lindstrom wont live up to his draft position but I still have him 6th on my list

 

[tomd]

I would be pretty upset if we took Lindstrom over Demidov

If it comes down to that choice, prepare to be pretty upset. Not advocating for one player over the other but simply looking at the reality of the Ducks drafting philosophy under PV.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Not a big fan of Lindstrom

That's fair. Picks 2-10 seemingly vary from media scouting to fans. Lindstrom's upside, especially if he plays wing with the Ducks is a huge plus. Byfield didn't look great at center, but at wing, he's higly productive now with the Kings.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

If it comes down to that choice, prepare to be pretty upset. Not advocating for one player over the other but simply looking at the reality of the Ducks drafting philosophy under PV.

Conflate that with the Ivan Fedotov situation, then that's taking a huge gamble with a top-5 pick on a Russian despite how good Demidov looks. Michkov, whose talent was behind Bedard and ahead of Carlsson-Fantilli, fell to 7th overall in last year's draft; five other teams passed on a Russian, six teams passed on Michkov.

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[Zegs2sendhelp]

That's fair. Picks 2-10 seemingly vary from media scouting to fans. Lindstrom's upside, especially if he plays wing with the Ducks is a huge plus. Byfield didn't look great at center, but at wing, he's higly productive now with the Kings.

I think you’re hoping for a poor man’s byfield with lindstrom… but I don’t think he has anywhere near the talent or athleticism that byfield had.

That being said I don’t really see man superstar potential players in this draft and if lindstrom became a top 6 winger that would be huge given his size and style.