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Have you got a link to a vid of him doing more than shooting? Iv only seen his finishing focused on
Prospect Info: 2024 NHL Entry Draft (Ducks pick #3, They didn’t drop! OMG It’s a Miracle!)
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I would love that but I haven’t seen it, and I haven’t seen anything BUT his finish talked about by scouts.
I trust Ducks scouting in the top 10. This recent string of picks (aside from injuries) has looked pretty good. I expect the lottery to screw us again too.
Kovalchuk was basically a one-tricky pony and a truly awful defensive player but absolutely deserved to be taken where he was. why exactly are we underwhelmed by that aspect of his game as fans of a team desperate for more shooters and goal scorers?
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I expect more from a top 5 pick, which is where we should be picking. I want a guy with first line potential that can score and defend. From about 6-12 I'll take a guy who has one amazing trick and flaws in his game.
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plenty of other spots in the lineup to fill out the roster with defensive try hards. Anaheim needs a high upside winger with this pick. Hard to imagine a better fit
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Ohhh... Helenius is tearing it up. I read that he's playing on the top line, which is why he's had more scoring opportunities.
I was wondering if you've seen or read up on Emil Hemming. Hemming did well at the Hlinka Gretzky Cup, too good for TPS U20, and currently tied for 3rd in goal scoring for TPS Liiga. He's one of the players I see creeping up in the first round. If we end up with another first round pick (probably in the 20's), then maybe he could be a viable option to select.
I guess the "size matters" crowd valued Kovalchuk much more due to him being, what, 15cm taller? However, I agree with your evaluation of Wiseman and think he will be just fine as a pro in 2-3 years. Hard to imagine him not scoring 30 perennially when utilized correctly.
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Didn't people say McTavish was a 1 trick pony leading up to the 2021 draft ?
McTavish vs Eklund has turned out massively in the Ducks favor. Eklund also doens't appear to be playing Center with SJ.
McTavish vs Eklund has turned out massively in the Ducks favor. Eklund also doens't appear to be playing Center with SJ.
Is Zegras more of a two way guy so far than Caufield?
I believe Zegras have a decent two way game in him, but he has been quite one-dimensional so far and even pre-draft I think, no? This year he seems to be taking a turn I think. But I don't get the "difference" between them in this sense. Caufield dropped lower because of his size, I think
I feel like you guys are misunderstanding. Scouts (and by extension some people on this board) are not bashing him because he is a goal scorer. He is dropping because he doesn't bring anything else to the table. He isnt good on zone exits, he isnt good on zone entries, he isnt good defensively, he doesnt make players around him better. The concern is that he is Sprong not Kovy.
There is more to hockey then just goal scoring and "defensive try hards". For me personally the concern is more with his lack on an offense outside of his shot. I dont really care about his defense at all.
I care more that he cant carry the puck and doesnt make players around him better.
I don't remember that at all. I was an Eklund truther but I remember McTavish being a gem in the U18s and setting everyone up.
Let just draft Celebrini and move McT and Z to the wing fulltime and it solves our wing issue 
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People saying Mac was a one-trick pony were using Mac's D-1 scouting report and stats. People who scouted Mac's D+0 season (NL-B play and WJC-18), ranked him high. Central Scouting ranked McTavish #2 on NA list, behind D Power. Elite Prospects' Mitch Brown cited Mac being the best all-around 2021 draftee at the WJC-18 and his potential being very high.
As for Eklund, he really wasn't considered to be a center in the future due to his small stature and size. EP has him listed at 5'10 and 181 lbs. Central Scouting's Final Rankings has Eklund listed at 5'9 & 3/4" and 176 lbs.
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I wouldn't care as much about his off the puck game if he can be a 100+ point scorer that we haven't had since the 1990s...
Jesus... I can't believe its been almost 25 years since we've had a triple digit offensive player...
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Until the last couple years not many players have done it since the 90s to be fair. Era adjusted Perry and Getzlaf likely get there a couple times.
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It's been almost 10 years since we had a guy put up 80 nevermind 100, and almost 6 years since we last had a guy put up 70, insane that it's been so long since we had a real offensive force on the team
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Another thing about this is even if a player is bad defensively, they may be good at keeping the puck in the offensive zone with making offensive plays then that is less time spent in the defensive zone.
Look at SJ after trading away Erik Karlsson, he may be a trainwreck in the defensive zone but in the offensive zone he makes things happen and without him SJ spends too much time in the defensive zone where they get scored on.
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I'm liking the top 12 this year. Lots of good talent it just is lacking the elite top 5 of last year. We are definitely getting a key piece in this draft. My bet is unless we win the lottery we take one of the RD as it will help balance out our defence.
My ranking of who I want us to draft.
Name SizeShootPosition
Celebrini 6L C
Dickinson6.3L D
Lindstrom6.5L C
Levishunov6.2R D
Parekh 6R D
Helenius 5.11R C/RW
Silayev 6.7L D
Eiserman 6L LW
Yakemchuk6.2R D
Demidov 5.11L RW
Jiricek 6.2R D
Catton 5.11L C
My ranking of who I want us to draft.
Name SizeShootPosition
Celebrini 6L C
Dickinson6.3L D
Lindstrom6.5L C
Levishunov6.2R D
Parekh 6R D
Helenius 5.11R C/RW
Silayev 6.7L D
Eiserman 6L LW
Yakemchuk6.2R D
Demidov 5.11L RW
Jiricek 6.2R D
Catton 5.11L C
What has been going on with Demidov for him to be so far down on your list? I haven’t watched him much but I thought he was supposed to be a top 3 talent?
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It's less of a problem with Demidov and more that I like the package of the other guys. The Russian factor drops him a little but I see 3-12 being very even. When more tape of him comes out I'm sure I'll rank him higher as he has very nice skating and offensive ability.
Im sure it will clear up closer to the draft, but right now I think there is a clear top 10 with Celebrini at the top and then 9 guys all bunched together that can go in really any order.
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Tier 1
Celebrini
I’d say roughly the same tier as Carlsson Fantilli? Maybe at the back of that tier though?
Tier 2
Levshunov
Lindstrom
Eiserman
Silayev
Demidov
Very shifty on the order but I would say these guys have the potential to be top line or top pair players, though some may fall short. Side note, Lindstrom looks a lot like Tage Thompson if he were a winger imo.
Tier 2.5
Dickinson
Helenius
I want to put them up with the others but want to see a bit more from them. Borderline.
Tier 3
Catton
Artamonov
Connelly
Yakemchuk
Ritchie
Jiricek
Kiviharju
Parekh
Iginla
Brandsegg-Nygard
If I had to put the second group into 2 tiers I would do it like this:
Celebrini
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Demidov
Eiserman
Levshunov
Silayev
Dickinson
Lindstrom
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Catton
Helenius
Yakemchuk
Celebrini is outscoring Fantilli season last year in the NCAA so I think it is safe to say he would be in the same tier as Fantilli and Carlsson.
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