Prospect Info: 2024 NHL Entry Draft (Ducks pick #3, They didn’t drop! OMG It’s a Miracle!)

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Helenius is up to 20 points in 28 Liiga games. Pretty impressive, especially when you consider that’s double Slavkovsky’s production in his draft year in 3 less games.

Trying to be positive about the Ducks current situation. They will likely get another cornerstone in the top 10.

I don’t really care who they get in the top 10. They all will be welcome additions.
 

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Helenius is up to 20 points in 28 Liiga games. Pretty impressive, especially when you consider that’s double Slavkovsky’s production in his draft year in 3 less games.

Trying to be positive about the Ducks current situation. They will likely get another cornerstone in the top 10.

I don’t really care who they get in the top 10. They all will be welcome additions.
If they are drafting 6th I want Helenius as I expect Eiserman/Lindstrom/Silayev/Levshunov are gone by then.
Still time for him to grow 1 more inch and be Selanne height 6'0
 

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The Score put out their 2024 mock draft out 12 hours ago and it's very interesting.

1. SJ: C Celebrini (shoots left)
2. Chi: LW Eiserman
3. Ana: C Lindstrom (shoots left)
4. Col: RW Demidov (shoots left)
5. Sea: LD Dickinson
6. Buf: RD Levshunov
7. Min: RD Jiricek
8. Cal: LD Silayev
9. Pit: C Helenius (shoots right)
10. Mtl: C Catton (shoots left)

First four picks are all forwards, followed by four defensemen!
 

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The Score put out their 2024 mock draft out 12 hours ago and it's very interesting.

1. SJ: C Celebrini (shoots left)
2. Chi: LW Eiserman
3. Ana: C Lindstrom (shoots left)
4. Col: RW Demidov (shoots left)
5. Sea: LD Dickinson
6. Buf: RD Levshunov
7. Min: RD Jiricek
8. Cal: LD Silayev
9. Pit: C Helenius (shoots right)
10. Mtl: C Catton (shoots left)

First four picks are all forwards, followed by four defensemen!
Jiricek is such a high risk high reward. He is playing in a mens league when he probably shouldn’t be.
 

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I mean, if we are that worried about a scorer you can always sign Nylander. Of we have no one on the roster pegged for that role then we really shouldn't be worried about the money as it would to to that anyway. You bypass the whole elc and the player HOPEFULLY developing into a 30+ goal scorer. Use the pick on the D. Assuming they're more in the realm of a all around D. I really don't think we need a 4th offensive oriented D.
 

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I mean, if we are that worried about a scorer you can always sign Nylander. Of we have no one on the roster pegged for that role then we really shouldn't be worried about the money as it would to to that anyway. You bypass the whole elc and the player HOPEFULLY developing into a 30+ goal scorer. Use the pick on the D. Assuming they're more in the realm of a all around D. I really don't think we need a 4th offensive oriented D.

Considering that we're waiting for our two top-6C's to fill out in Mac and Carlsson as well as our blue liners to mature, we'd be wasting two years on Nylander's contract because we're not playoff roster ready. We also are in need of developing talent depth. Right now, we are witnessing how lacking we are in scoring with all of our forward injuries.
 

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Well, iirc Celebrini's career PPG in the NCAA is the highest ever and the only player who had more points than him in a single season was D+1 Paul Kariya, who magically surpassed 100 points in, what, 26 games?

I'd say Celebrini probably is McTavish-level, maybe even a notch above that.
 

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With 1/3 of the season complete.. If we play at a .500 clip the rest of the season that puts us at 75 pts. Would have pick 7th last year, and based on percentage points it would put us at 7th this season as well.

So basically if you think this is an above or below .500 team, it should give you an idea or where we're going to most likely pick.
 
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With 1/3 of the season complete.. If we play at a .500 clip the rest of the season that puts us at 75 pts. Would have pick 7th last year, and based on percentage points it would put us at 7th this season as well.

So basically if you think this is an above or below .500 team, it should give you an idea or where we're going to most likely pick.

Don’t we have an easier schedule last half of the season(team wise)…. And in theory we get healthy zegras drysdale mctavish and maybe even Lundy…. I don’t expect us to be contender…. But I imagine we’ll be > .500…. Pending injuries/trade etc

My expectation is to end up around 10th pick…. And hope for some lottery karma
 
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Don’t we have an easier schedule last half of the season(team wise)…. And in theory we get healthy zegras drysdale mctavish and maybe even Lundy…. I don’t expect us to be contender…. But I imagine we’ll be > .500…. Pending injuries/trade etc

My expectation is to end up around 10th pick…. And hope for some lottery karma
a lot of that was based on having a bunch of games left against piss poor sharks and oilers teams.
Looking at teams playing slightly above .500 I don’t see how we’re in the same class, but who knows, maybe things click in the 2nd half.
 

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There's a chance at the end of the night that the Ducks will be in last place.

We're going down down in an earlier round.gif
 
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Im cautious about drafting players that play in Liga as they tend to not live up to expectation
In their defense, the 2 highest drafted players to come from Liiga recently are Slafkovsky and Kotkaniemi who were both rushed to the NHL by the same team and had their development ruined.

Aho and Barkov werent rushed and turned out just fine.
 
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I’m sorry but Eiserman at 6th is crazy to me. He’s going to be a star
The scouting industry disagrees. He is falling on pretty much every list. I just think teams wont want to draft a 1-trick pony with a top 5 pick. Especially where there are 3-4 defensemen with #1 potential available then.
 

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In their defense, the 2 highest drafted players to come from Liiga recently are Slafkovsky and Kotkaniemi who were both rushed to the NHL by the same team and had their development ruined.

Aho and Barkov werent rushed and turned out just fine.
Indeed. As a Finn It was tough to watch talent like Kotkaniemi, Puljujärvi and Kakko rushed the way like they did when you knew they weren't ready just by watching a single interview. I imagine it's hell of a thing for any young guy, but for an European especially to try and hack it in a completely diffrent culture as an 18-year old. It was the only reason I was concerned about Carlsson coming over as early as he did. That remains to be seen, but I think for small market team like Ducks who are also taking it slow with re-building (with veteran swedes like Silf, Lundy) it's different.

There is an insane amount of pressure in markets like Edmonton, Montreal and to a lesser degree American teams like the Rangers. You gotta know what you're getting into first and it's easy to be way over your head in situations like these. Also not saying things wouldn't turn out the same for many of the Finns, but I do think it matters more than you'd might think.

I find it kind strange teams scout these top prospects all-year round, but don't seem to get the psycological aspect of these key development years that include learning the ropes that they might not be ready for. You never know if you're ready for anything, but at least try to make it easier for 18-year olds coming over from an different culture. Most of them need development that's beside the game and it's easier to do in your home country to begin with. Euro leagues are pretty much on bar for AHL anyway, and Liiga is one of the more physical Euro leagues as well.

All people are different though, and the early jump might be beneficial for some of them, but I really do question some of these teams who obviously didn't do the homework of the person they were rushing into big leagues. I'm glad Carlsson seems to be paying off, but to be fair, he is a completely different type of talent because how fast he processes the game. You gotta have that if you're thinking of playing in this league as a kid.

Long needless rant I guess. As for Helenius he has that hockey brain and I think even some of the other "it" factors, but he still has some developing to do in Finland. Watching the tapes (seen him live once as well) and he reminds me of Aho a bit. It's tough for a smaller guy when you have to learn how to fight for space with much bigger guys, but he has that ability I think. We'll see, but I predict he'll be a top 10 pick next June, and for once Ducks are in a position to pick a Finn I like in the 1st round.
 

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The scouting industry disagrees. He is falling on pretty much every list. I just think teams wont want to draft a 1-trick pony with a top 5 pick. Especially where there are 3-4 defensemen with #1 potential available then.
Not a one trick pony and the scouting industry has been wrong many times

He has elite skill
 

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I’m sorry but Eiserman at 6th is crazy to me. He’s going to be a star
He is only a shooter and nothing else. He wasn't even invited to world juniors.

Like past years with wingers they tend to fall into the 6-10 unless they have something other than shooting ability
 

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He is only a shooter and nothing else. He wasn't even invited to world juniors.

Like past years with wingers they tend to fall into the 6-10 unless they have something other than shooting ability
Disagree, he is a lot more than just a shooter IMO
 
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