Prospect Info: 2024 NHL Entry Draft (Ducks pick #3, They didn’t drop! OMG It’s a Miracle!)

[Hockey Duckie]

Team is good at finding Dmen anywhere in the draft but struggles to get much out forwards drafted in late 1st and beyond.

Seems to be that teams with franchise 1Cs and 1Ds also tend to have a 1W
Colorado: Rantanen
Vegas: Stone
Boston: Pasternak
Pittsburgh: Guentzel
Washington: Ovi
Tampa: Kucherov

Only one of those was acquired via trade. Eiserman could be Anaheim's Pasternak.

We have Z and Terry, but both are in scoring slumps. Terry potted 37 goals in 2021-22. Z has put up 23 goals in his two full seasons in the NHL. They're drafted.

Vatrano already has 14 goals in 25 games. There's also the FA route to get goal scorers.

I dunno if Eiserman will be the guy, but there are others like Helenius (small) or Lindstrom (tall) that could also be available due to the abundance of top end defensemen.

 

[Gliff]

Team is good at finding Dmen anywhere in the draft but struggles to get much out forwards drafted in late 1st and beyond.

Seems to be that teams with franchise 1Cs and 1Ds also tend to have a 1W
Colorado: Rantanen
Vegas: Stone
Boston: Pasternak
Pittsburgh: Guentzel
Washington: Ovi
Tampa: Kucherov

Only one of those was acquired via trade. Eiserman could be Anaheim's Pasternak.

Not to be too much of a Devils advocate, but all of those guy play a complete game and in same cases (like Stone) are elite 2-way players.

Eiserman will never be that.

Edit: just to be clear, I'm not hating on Eiserman. Him panning out would be a perfect match for the Ducks. I just dont think the Ducks will draft a guy like him.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

We have Z and Terry, but both are in scoring slumps. Terry potted 37 goals in 2021-22. Z has put up 23 goals in his two full seasons in the NHL. They're drafted.

Vatrano already has 14 goals in 25 games. There's also the FA route to get goal scorers.

I dunno if Eiserman will be the guy, but there are others like Helenius (small) or Lindstrom (tall) that could also be available due to the abundance of top end defensemen.

depending on where we pick I really like
Eiserman, is still my favorite. Lindstrom isn’t a bad 2nd option…. I won’t be shocked if we go dmen tho

With a top 5 pick we will go forward, anything outside of top 5 I imagine we go dmen or maybe trade down.

I do like ritchie and brandseggnygard as middle round forward options, and I think we’ll find some good players in 2nd round

 

[2faded]

I've liked that Lindstrom guy since someone posted a video a few pages back. Seems like he rising to a top 3 pick now though? But if that means Eiserman falls to our range, I'm okay with that too.

 

[Gliff]

depending on where we pick I really like
Eiserman, is still my favorite. Lindstrom isn’t a bad 2nd option…. I won’t be shocked if we go dmen tho

With a top 5 pick we will go forward, anything outside of top 5 I imagine we go dmen or maybe trade down.

I do like ritchie and brandseggnygard as middle round forward options, and I think we’ll find some good players in 2nd round

What do you love about Brandsegg-Nygard? I dont see it.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

depending on where we pick I really like
Eiserman, is still my favorite. Lindstrom isn’t a bad 2nd option…. I won’t be shocked if we go dmen tho

With a top 5 pick we will go forward, anything outside of top 5 I imagine we go dmen or maybe trade down.

I do like ritchie and brandseggnygard as middle round forward options, and I think we’ll find some good players in 2nd round

Why have a limit on forward selections for the top-5? What if Eiserman is outside the top-5? HockeyProspect (the author of the Black Book for each draft) has Eiserman 6th overall in its November edition.

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[Hockey Duckie]

I've liked that Lindstrom guy since someone posted a video a few pages back. Seems like he rising to a top 3 pick now though? But if that means Eiserman falls to our range, I'm okay with that too.

Yeah, Lindstrom's play, specifically playmaking, is now coming around. The fact Lindstrom plays center and is 6'5, his stock will rise/ gain more attention if he continues his scoring or better.

All the other top forwards are 5'11 or shorter in C Celebrini, LW Eiserman, RW Demidov, C Catton, and C/RW Helenius (he's 5'10).

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Why have a limit on forward selections for the top-5? What if Eiserman is outside the top-5? HockeyProspect (the author of the Black Book for each draft) has Eiserman 6th overall in its November edition.

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I guess I should say outside of Lindstrom, Eiserman, or Celebrini…. I’d be tempted to go dmen…. But I think all 3 of those forwards go in top 5.

 

[GunnarStahl]

I guess I should say outside of Lindstrom, Eiserman, or Celebrini…. I’d be tempted to go dmen…. But I think all 3 of those forwards go in top 5.

If I had to rank the top 5 so far, with limited viewing and mostly based off conjecture from reading articles, I’d say it will look something like

Celebrini
Silayev
Levshunov
Eiserman
Lindstrom

HM
Demidov
Helenius
Dickinson

I have this hunch that if the sharks don’t win that number 1 slot they go home with Silayev, I also feel Chicago will feel inclined to go home with one of the high end two way guys.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

If I had to rank the top 5 so far, with limited viewing and mostly based off conjecture from reading articles, I’d say it will look something like

Celebrini
Silayev
Levshunov
Eiserman
Lindstrom

HM
Demidov
Helenius
Dickinson

I have this hunch that if the sharks don’t win that number 1 slot they go home with Silayev, I also feel Chicago will feel inclined to go home with one of the high end two way guys.

Maybe we will win the lottery this year

 

[GunnarStahl]

Maybe we will win the lottery this year

If the November Ducks weren’t the outlier it’s not unlikely, they went from playoff contention to bottom 3 team in record time.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I guess I should say outside of Lindstrom, Eiserman, or Celebrini…. I’d be tempted to go dmen…. But I think all 3 of those forwards go in top 5.

Are any of those D-men potentially better than what we have potentially in Drysdale, Mintyukov, or Luneau? There's also LaCombe, who's probably more known for his defense than offense, but can pull of a middle pairing D. If not, then we should considering taking a scoring forward because we do have two missing top-6 winger roster spots today.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

If the November Ducks weren’t the outlier it’s not unlikely, they went from playoff contention to bottom 3 team in record time.

it's a very small sample. For example one extra win would put us 10th in the Western Conference, but tied for fourth in the Pacific. Also with one extra win would have us 23rd overall in the league. Small sample size makes it easy to rise or fall.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Are any of those D-men potentially better than what we have potentially in Drysdale, Mintyukov, or Luneau? There's also LaCombe, who's probably more known for his defense than offense, but can pull of a middle pairing D. If not, then we should considering taking a scoring forward because we do have two missing top-6 winger roster spots today.

I think saliyev levshunov and Dickinson are prob pretty appealing.

I do agree forwards are main priorities, but I wouldn’t reach for 1, if the bpa is a dmen…. And those guys listed I think are good options

 

[GunnarStahl]

it's a very small sample. For example one extra win would put us 10th in the Western Conference, but tied for fourth in the Pacific. Also with one extra win would have us 23rd overall in the league. Small sample size makes it easy to rise or fall.

Yup, man the pacific is bad lol, very have and have nots division

 

[Gliff]

Are any of those D-men potentially better than what we have potentially in Drysdale, Mintyukov, or Luneau? There's also LaCombe, who's probably more known for his defense than offense, but can pull of a middle pairing D. If not, then we should considering taking a scoring forward because we do have two missing top-6 winger roster spots today.

I would say that Minty is the only one on the same level potential wise as Silayev, Levshunov, and Dickinson. Levshunov is especially appealing since he is a RHD. If he is available the Ducks should take him unless the Ducks are picking top 1/2 depending on how they view the forwards.

 

[Gliff]

I'm sure Demidov isn't an option for us for the same reason Michkov didnt seem to really be an option, but it would be nice if he was a target. I think he is a lot closer to Michkov and similarly to him, he would be shooting up lists if he was getting playing time and not injured.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I would say that Minty is the only one on the same level potential wise as Silayev, Levshunov, and Dickinson. Levshunov is especially appealing since he is a RHD. If he is available the Ducks should take him unless the Ducks are picking top 1/2 depending on how they view the forwards.

I think we're shortchanging RD Luneau b/c Minty made the full jump to the NHL while we're still physically developing Luneau at the NHL level. Luneau's too young to join the AHL, but our org wants to shorten our rebuild, which is why Luneau's in the NHL.

Last season, Luneau was healthy and a year away from his knee surgery. Then we swept Defensemen of the Year in all three junior leagues with Zell, Minty, and Luneau. Zell won DotY for the CHL last year as well.

I like RD Lev's scouting profile a lot, but I also like C Lindstrom and C Helenius offense too. Helenius is a 17-year old leading his pro Finnish men's team in scoring with 19 points, which ranks 28th overall in Liiga! I doubt the NHL will ever let us win the #1 pick overall. With seeing some scouting media dropping Eiserman, there's concern, but still a top-10 prospect. Top forwards have dropped before like Raty, Wright, and Lambert.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

If I had to rank the top 5 so far, with limited viewing and mostly based off conjecture from reading articles, I’d say it will look something like

Celebrini
Silayev
Levshunov
Eiserman
Lindstrom

HM
Demidov
Helenius
Dickinson

I have this hunch that if the sharks don’t win that number 1 slot they go home with Silayev, I also feel Chicago will feel inclined to go home with one of the high end two way guys.

It does seem like if San Jose doesn't win the lottery they will go Dmen.
Outside of Thrun and Shakir they got nothing in Dmen in their pool that will be top4 guys.
Silayev immediately would give they a potential #1D prospect.

SJ can be patient with Silayev in KHL because they are gonna be tanking next year and the next.
2025 the Misa draft, 2026 the cousin of Bedard aka The McKenna draft.
2024/2025/2026 with dead last finishes, SJ will probably get 1st overall in one of those drafts.
Just as Smith and Eklund are starting to break out they will have traded Hertl, Couture and Lablanc.
Couture will be tricky to trade but not impossible, some retention and dead cap coming back.

 

[JAHV]

Maybe we will win the lottery this year

Edit: Never mind the below. I was incorrect in my interpretation of this rule.

The Ducks actually "won" the lottery last year. There are two lotteries - one for the 1OA and one for the 2OA. The Ducks actually got selected for the 2OA lottery, which I believe counts as one of their wins. That means they can only win once more in the next four years.

The hope is that the upcoming draft is the last one where we'd really be all that concerned about winning, but I just wanted to throw that out there.

 

[ADHB]

The Ducks actually "won" the lottery last year. There are two lotteries - one for the 1OA and one for the 2OA. The Ducks actually got selected for the 2OA lottery, which I believe counts as one of their wins. That means they can only win once more in the next four years.

The hope is that the upcoming draft is the last one where we'd really be all that concerned about winning, but I just wanted to throw that out there.

It doesn't count against them. It would only count if they improve their position.

 

[Gliff]

It doesn't count against them. It would only count if they improve their position.

This. If the team with the highest odds gets the 1st overall pick then it doesn’t go against them.

I think we're shortchanging RD Luneau b/c Minty made the full jump to the NHL while we're still physically developing Luneau at the NHL level. Luneau's too young to join the AHL, but our org wants to shorten our rebuild, which is why Luneau's in the NHL.

Last season, Luneau was healthy and a year away from his knee surgery. Then we swept Defensemen of the Year in all three junior leagues with Zell, Minty, and Luneau. Zell won DotY for the CHL last year as well.

I like RD Lev's scouting profile a lot, but I also like C Lindstrom and C Helenius offense too. Helenius is a 17-year old leading his pro Finnish men's team in scoring with 19 points, which ranks 28th overall in Liiga! I doubt the NHL will ever let us win the #1 pick overall. With seeing some scouting media dropping Eiserman, there's concern, but still a top-10 prospect. Top forwards have dropped before like Raty, Wright, and Lambert.

I think expecting Luneau to be a legit #1 is setting him up for disappointment.

 

[JAHV]

It doesn't count against them. It would only count if they improve their position.

Ah, ok. Thank you for the clarification.

 

[MMC]

If we have another top 10 pick we certainly shouldn't be picking based on need. Take the guy we think is the best talent, who cares if it's a defenseman

 

[GunnarStahl]

If we have another top 10 pick we certainly shouldn't be picking based on need. Take the guy we think is the best talent, who cares if it's a defenseman

This, but you have to imagine it lines up someone on the back end to be traded for a top 6 forward