Terry Yake
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Prospect Info: 2024 NHL Entry Draft (Ducks pick #3, They didn’t drop! OMG It’s a Miracle!)
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I know people wont want to hear this, but the 8th pick had 80 points last year. If the Ducks improve from 58 to 80 points that is nothing to scoff at.
Especially when I think most expected the Ducks to be in a 5-10 pick coming into this year anyways.
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isn't this supposed to be a weak draft? might be wrong as i haven't really paid attention to any of the prospects outside of celebrini and eiserman
I dont pay attention to any shit about weak or strong drafts. Generally that pre-draft sentiment comes from if there is a legit franchise player at the top.
2021 and 2022 were considered weak because noone in those 2 drafts were considered franchise players. IDK about you but I'm very happy with the 2 guys we got in the top 10, McT and Minty.
It's pretty rare to have an actual weak draft. 2018 is the only draft in the last 10 years that ended up being weak. Just like it's pretty rare to have a LOADED draft. 2015 is the only one I think qualifies for that in the last 10 years.
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And barring a franchise type guy, the prospects you want are the ones who continue to get better and rise up throughout their draft year. They aren't all on the radar just yet
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Most drafts are just average, especially when you remove the top 3 talents. The guys who went 4-10 for the last 5 years looks like this.
2023: Smith, Reinbacher, Simashev, *Michkov*, Leonard, Danielson, Dvorsky
2022: Wright, Gauthier, Jiricek, Korchinski, Kasper, Savoie, Mintyukov
2021: Hughes, Johnson, Edvinsson, Eklund, Clarke, Guenther, *Boucher*
2020: Raymond, Sanderson, Drysdale, Holtz, Quinn, Rossi, Perfetti
2019: Byram, Turcotte, Seider, Cozens, Broberg, Zegras, Podkolzin
Rather hard to say any of these groups display massive differences in pedigree than the others outside of maybe 2023, especially if just being considered from a draft day perspective. One of those 2023 picks had some surrounding circumstances as well. The two guys with asterisks are kinda unicorns for being picked where they were, for very different reasons.
Anyways compare the variance in those groups to top 3s
2023: Bedard, Carlsson, Fantilli (murderers row)
2022: Slafkovsky, Nemec, Cooley
2021: Power, Beniers, McTavish
2020: Lafreniere, Byfield, Stutzle
2019: Hughes, Kaako, Dach
Even just from draft day pedigree these groups are vastly difference.
The only draft I think that had a legit drought in talent in recent history is 2012, maybe 2018 as well.
TLDR: Considering it would appear the only way the ducks find their way into a top 3 pick this year would require lottery luck, the concept of good or bad draft likely doesn’t affect them.
2023: Smith, Reinbacher, Simashev, *Michkov*, Leonard, Danielson, Dvorsky
2022: Wright, Gauthier, Jiricek, Korchinski, Kasper, Savoie, Mintyukov
2021: Hughes, Johnson, Edvinsson, Eklund, Clarke, Guenther, *Boucher*
2020: Raymond, Sanderson, Drysdale, Holtz, Quinn, Rossi, Perfetti
2019: Byram, Turcotte, Seider, Cozens, Broberg, Zegras, Podkolzin
Rather hard to say any of these groups display massive differences in pedigree than the others outside of maybe 2023, especially if just being considered from a draft day perspective. One of those 2023 picks had some surrounding circumstances as well. The two guys with asterisks are kinda unicorns for being picked where they were, for very different reasons.
Anyways compare the variance in those groups to top 3s
2023: Bedard, Carlsson, Fantilli (murderers row)
2022: Slafkovsky, Nemec, Cooley
2021: Power, Beniers, McTavish
2020: Lafreniere, Byfield, Stutzle
2019: Hughes, Kaako, Dach
Even just from draft day pedigree these groups are vastly difference.
The only draft I think that had a legit drought in talent in recent history is 2012, maybe 2018 as well.
TLDR: Considering it would appear the only way the ducks find their way into a top 3 pick this year would require lottery luck, the concept of good or bad draft likely doesn’t affect them.
Thanks for this write up! Makes me feel better about where we’ll hopefully end up in the draft year this season, and makes me really glad the cards lined up for us to absolutely bottom out for last years draft.
Won’t have a tank thread that early or even likely at all. Maybe will consider it with 15-20 games remaining and they are in the bottom 5.
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Yakupov, Murray, Galchenyuk, Griffin Reinhart, Pouliot and Koekkoek in that 2012 top10 picks.
Pretty rare that the first 4 picks of a draft become non top6 or top4 forward/Dmen.
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The guys behind the black book have him second, this comes hot off the heels of EP ranking him 4th.
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Interesting they put the injury prone Demidov ahead of Eiserman.
I think if the Ducks are picking #4, #5 or #6 and Eiserman is there they are making the pick and running away with it. Silayev I get because he's 6'7 and teams may hope for Russian Pronger......Prongerov
Crazy to see Eiserman dropping but scouts have apparently not been impressed outside of his goal scoring. Dobber Prospects makes him sound like he isn't a line driver as he prefers someone else carries the puck through the neutral zone.
Thats the 3rd November ranking that doesnt have him at #2. And 2 of those have him at 5 and 6.
I think Brandsegg-Nygarr is the only guy I am seeing in the top 10 regularly that I would not want. He is 3 weeks away from being a 2023 draft guy, he isn't producing at a crazy pace in HockeyAllsvenskan, and his biggest attribute is how mature his 2-way game is. I would hope so considering he the oldest guy in the draft.
Pretty much everyone else would be great though:
Celebrini
Demidov
Eiserman
Levshunov
Dickinson
Silayev
Lindstrom
Helenius
Catton
Parekh
Thats the 3rd November ranking that doesnt have him at #2. And 2 of those have him at 5 and 6.
I think Brandsegg-Nygarr is the only guy I am seeing in the top 10 regularly that I would not want. He is 3 weeks away from being a 2023 draft guy, he isn't producing at a crazy pace in HockeyAllsvenskan, and his biggest attribute is how mature his 2-way game is. I would hope so considering he the oldest guy in the draft.
Pretty much everyone else would be great though:
Celebrini
Demidov
Eiserman
Levshunov
Dickinson
Silayev
Lindstrom
Helenius
Catton
Parekh
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RW Emil Hemming is 15th! The guy is moving up. Although, I'm a bit saddened b/c EP has Hemming listed at 6'2 and 196 lbs, while Hockey Prospects have him listed at 6' 3/4" and 201 lbs. At least he's a tank out there. He's a late Jun birth, implying there's more room for growth in skill, skating, and growth.
Dunno if he'll catch fellow Finn Helenius, who's tearing it up in the Liiga as well as leading his team in scoring with 17 pts (8g + 9a) in 23 games. For perspective, Hemming has 6 pts (4g + 2a) in 21 Liiga games. Problem is Helenius is on the short, thin side around 5'11 and 180 lbs. I dunno if Verbeek will invest on a player like that with his first pick, we passed up Jiri Kulich in 2022.
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Hemming isn't catching Helenius at this point. Hemming plays on the 4th line while Helenius plays in top 6. Helenius' size isn't optimal, though from what I have seen, he doesn't shy away from board battles. Never going to be a power forward, obviously. However, I don't see Hemming doing anything better than Helenius at this point. If they were the same size you would choose Helenius everytime. He has better skating, great shot and great hockey IQ. Very slick player and a type of player who excels in today's NHL.
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He could still grow another inch to 6'0, Selanne is only 6'0
#HellForHelenius
#SlackinForMacklin
I’ve been checking out some of the 2024 class and obviously focusing on players that are hard to play against. We need more take no prisoners types like Gudas to blend with our skilled prospects.
Anyone here know more about these guys?
Cayden Lindstrom - he’s flown up the boards, but was someone I was looking into before the season started. Might be a possibility as we went from possibly picking in the teens back to expected top 5-8.
EJ Emery and Lukas Fischer - yeah we don’t need more defensemen but that’s what we do best and we like those two way guys. EJ is a local kid but I think we are straying from college kids now and he looks like a late 1st so probably not going to be available. Fischer is Jiri’s kid and a September birthday. A lot of projection, size and skating. Can play physical but looks like a string bean Marcus Petterson right now. Might be available in the 2nd but he is moving up.
Carson Wetch and Yegor Surin - Two guys who look like they have good skills but also two of the biggest physical / hitters that might be good complementary guys like Gaucher and Myatovich types in the 2nd round. Another guy might be Nathan Villenueve, and we used to like the Q until we missed on guys like Comtois and Morand.
There’s also some interesting big nasty dmen outside of the higher projected guys like Skahan. Gabriel Eliasson looks like a Warren/Smith type that we’ve been drafting the past few years. Arsen Taimazov also is a monster whose dad was a wrestling Olympian. Maybe targets for our many 3rd round picks.
Boy, I’m feeling old… so many former player kids every year…
Anyone here know more about these guys?
Cayden Lindstrom - he’s flown up the boards, but was someone I was looking into before the season started. Might be a possibility as we went from possibly picking in the teens back to expected top 5-8.
EJ Emery and Lukas Fischer - yeah we don’t need more defensemen but that’s what we do best and we like those two way guys. EJ is a local kid but I think we are straying from college kids now and he looks like a late 1st so probably not going to be available. Fischer is Jiri’s kid and a September birthday. A lot of projection, size and skating. Can play physical but looks like a string bean Marcus Petterson right now. Might be available in the 2nd but he is moving up.
Carson Wetch and Yegor Surin - Two guys who look like they have good skills but also two of the biggest physical / hitters that might be good complementary guys like Gaucher and Myatovich types in the 2nd round. Another guy might be Nathan Villenueve, and we used to like the Q until we missed on guys like Comtois and Morand.
There’s also some interesting big nasty dmen outside of the higher projected guys like Skahan. Gabriel Eliasson looks like a Warren/Smith type that we’ve been drafting the past few years. Arsen Taimazov also is a monster whose dad was a wrestling Olympian. Maybe targets for our many 3rd round picks.
Boy, I’m feeling old… so many former player kids every year…
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Hockey Prospect, the maker of the Black Book, has Lindstrom #2 overall in their recent ranking. MyNHLdraft has Lindstrom #4 overall in their recent mock. And tonight, He's scored 2 goals after 2 periods. His team is playing against Swift Current (Hvidston).
Yeah, he is all over the place. People are questioning his hockey sense, and others are hopeful for another Tage Thompson. Berkly Catton also looks good too but Lindstrom would add a different element in our top 6 forward group that has some nasty and impressive speed.
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Ah that's right... I was scanning the Q for their top guys and mixed him up with forwards like Raoul Boilard and Maxim Masse. Villeneuve is a bit like Carrick, no high end talent, but very gritty and willing fighter and the Q no longer permits fighting.
IIRC, Emery's dad played football at Cal State Fullerton before moving to Canada to play in the CFL. As a Fullerton alum myself (and one of the few who bothered to actually watch their football team back when they had one) I'd love for the Ducks to wind up with him though that seems unlikely as the few projections I've seen have him going late 1st.
Emery looks interesting and might be another very mobile big defense first guy like Kandre Miller, who I think we may have wanted before the Rangers traded up for. I don't think we will be able to obtain a late first for Henrique / Gibson based on last years trade deadline returns. Who knows, his draft ranking can change alot by year end. Skahan and Emery (and that Connelly kid) would be interesting picks that show that SoCal is developing some good talent.
There isn't much footage on him yet, but they say he is very mobile and is improving quite a bit. Offensively he doesn't project much though.
Levshunov is almost ppg as a freshman defensemen. Surprised other defensemen are getting more hype in the rankings.
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